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Discussion: Beyonce: same level as Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Janet?
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
And between them they have 11 #1s and 23 top tens, and 10 #1s and 27 top tens with only 7 successful albums. Some artists have nearly the same amount of albums and still don't have half of that. They both ranked in the top 10 of Billboard's All Time Top 100 artists, while some artists, who have nearly the same amount of releases, didn't make the top 10, 20, 30, or 40. And that's just charts, I won't even go into sales.
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That's cute for them.
Did all those number ones and top10s lead to selling out stadiums on both sides of the Atlantic?
The people's court >>> manipulated charts.
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Originally posted by C.Damen
I didn't draw that conclusion.
You did.
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Your argument
Madonna is a great performer.
Your premises (statements that support, and are relevant, the conclusion)
"She can still sell out crowds and gross over $100M with less than 100 dates."
"Not to mention her tours are perched in the top 2 spots of the highest grossing female tours ever."
Your conclusion
Madonna is an amazing performer and that's that.
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She's on Mariah's and Janet's level but Whitney and Madonna? I'm not really sure about that.
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
Your argument
Madonna is a great performer.
Your premises (statements that support, and are relevant, the conclusion)
"She can still sell out crowds and gross over $100M with less than 100 dates."
"Not to mention her tours are perched in the top 2 spots of the highest grossing female tours ever."
Your conclusion
Madonna is an amazing performer and that's that.
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And where do you see me mentioning anything about low grosses=bad performer?
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
That's cute for them.
Did all those number ones and top10s lead to selling out stadiums on both sides of the Atlantic?
The people's court >>> manipulated charts.
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It did, along with impressive album sales to complement it.
@ manipulated charts when songs that aren't even singles can now chart on the Hot 100.
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
What we know is that Janet hasn't been and won't be inducted
And bey has surpassed both of them. Neither one has consistently slayed.
Whitney 1984 - 2000
Janet 1986 - 2001
It was cute while it lasted.
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Whitney had a #1 album in 2009 and went on a sold-out tour in 2010.
After 2001, Janet had two platinum albums, a top 40 and top 20 hit (one of which is probably platinum by now), starred in three successful films, went on another successful tour in 2011, had the most successful Blackglama campaign of the company's 50+ year history (besting those of Naomi Campbell, Marlene Dietrich, Babs Streisand, and plenty others), put out another hits compilation that is eligible for gold status, and became one of three artists to have a #1 album in four separate decades (not every artist has that) with the lead single spending 12 weeks at #1 on the adult R&B chart. Sit.
Both have achieved longevity and success over multiple decades. And Beyoncé will never surpass the commercial heights of neither. Until Beyoncé has the #1 selling female album, seven consecutive #1's, highest selling debut, biggest-selling soundtrack, biggest-selling Gospel soundtrack and 23 top 10's, she'll never surpass Whitney, commercially. And the thought of her surpassing Whitney in impact and influence is just downright laughable.
Until Beyoncé can have the most successful debut tour, 7 top 5's from one album, 18 consecutive top 10's, #1's in three separate calendar years from one album or surpass either in overall album sales, she'll never surpass Janet. And again, in impact and influence , Beyoncé clearly falls short of both of them.
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Originally posted by C.Damen
And where do you see me mentioning anything about low grosses=bad performer?
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You clearly don't understand arguments. This is why is was so easy for Chimier to drag you across the server in that last thread.
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
It did
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Which stadium tour was this? The 1 fabricated in your mind?
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And no impact writing a novel. Keep living in the past. In 2016 all of that is irrelevant.
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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.
Both have achieved longevity and success over multiple decades. And Beyoncé will never surpass the commercial heights of neither. Until Beyoncé has the #1 selling female album, seven consecutive #1's, highest selling debut, biggest-selling soundtrack, biggest-selling Gospel soundtrack and 23 top 10's, she'll never surpass Whitney, commercially. And the thought of her surpassing Whitney in impact and influence is just downright laughable.
Until Beyoncé can have the most successful debut tour, 7 top 5's from one album, 18 consecutive top 5's, #1's in three separate calendar years from one album or surpass either in overall album sales, she'll never surpass Janet. And again, in impact and influence , Beyoncé clearly falls short of both of them.
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What kind of made up criteria?
Nobody cares about those irrelevant records sans the 7 top 5's. Beyonce has a long list of records/achievements as well but I'm not surprised you ignored them. Biased af like every other Janet stan on this site.
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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.
Whitney had a #1 album in 2009 and went on a sold-out tour in 2010.
After 2001, Janet had two platinum albums, a top 40 and top 20 hit (one of which is probably platinum by now), starred in three successful films, went on another successful tour in 2011, had the most successful Blackglama campaign of the company's 50+ year history (besting those of Naomi Campbell, Marlene Dietrich, Babs Streisand, and plenty others), put out another hits compilation that is eligible for gold status, and became one of three artists to have a #1 album in four separate decades (not every artist has that) with the lead single spending 12 weeks at #1 on the adult R&B chart. Sit.
Until Beyoncé can have the most successful debut tour, 7 top 5's from one album, 18 consecutive top 5's, #1's in three separate calendar years from one album or surpass either in overall album sales, she'll never surpass Janet. And again, in impact and influence , Beyoncé clearly falls short of both of them.
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As if this is all this hard to acheive. Whitney sold out an overseas arena tour and Janet had a few songs chart that nobody really remembers, do you want a cookie?
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
That's cute for them.
Did all those number ones and top10s lead to selling out stadiums on both sides of the Atlantic?
The people's court >>> manipulated charts.
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Quote:
Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
Which stadium tour was this? The 1 fabricated in your mind?
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Oh?
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
Oh?
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So the name of the stadium tour either 1 was on???
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
So the name of the stadium tour either 1 was on???
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You go from "selling out stadiums" to "stadium tour". You change your arguments like clouds change formation.
I'll tell you the name of their stadium tours when you tell me the house that Aretha built.
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Originally posted by Jet
What kind of made up criteria?
Nobody cares about those irrelevant records sans the 7 top 5's. Beyonce has a long list of records/achievements as well but I'm not surprised you ignored them. Biased af like every other Janet stan on this site.
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Where did I ignore any of her achivements? They weren't even listed in this thread. See how you walked into that without reading the thread first? And you say "sans" as if the rest of Janet's achivements was something Beyoncé was able to achieve.
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Originally posted by OnikaSlays
As if this is all this hard to acheive. Whitney sold out an overseas arena tour and Janet had a few songs chart that nobody really remembers, do you want a cookie?
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Well, who else from Janet's generation was able to achieve a #1 album in their fourth decade of music? I guess it is hard. And yeah, I do want a cookie for my wonderful post. Make it Oatmeal.
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
You go from "selling out stadiums" to "stadium tour". You change your arguments like clouds change formation.
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So the name of the STADIUM tour?
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Originally posted by OnikaSlays
As if this is all this hard to acheive. Whitney sold out an overseas arena tour and Janet had a few songs chart that nobody really remembers, do you want a cookie?
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I say this about #1 singles.
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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.
Well, who else from Janet's generation was able to achieve a #1 album in their fourth decade of music? I guess it is hard. And yeah, I do want a cookie for my wonderful post. Make it Oatmeal.
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Madonna and Barbra have had number 1 albums in every decade since they've been out.
You and these made up records
No wonder the hall of fame doesn't use. Too much smoke and mirrors.
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