[Rico Shameless v2]

Originally posted by Nick

It's been said that the draft is basically not feasible anymore, due to the more complex equipment involved now. They basically used to just strap a gun on you and throw you out there, but it's not possible anymore because you'd have no idea how to use it. And thanks to "don't ask don't tell" everyone would just tell them they're gay, because if you violate the "don't tell" then you get discharged.

Thank you sir.

[Lee!!]

this **** has been going on too long

[WAЯЯEN]

The rules are the rules; you cant change the rules when it's convenient. Clinton and her supporters should be thankful for anything that has been done in their favor because we all know if Clinton was ahead she wouldn't give a **** about Michigan or Florida. FACT! There is always 2012; she really needs to throw in the towel. She is basically damaging her party by letting this campaign continue. Ugh, she makes me sick.

[Travis10]

Originally posted by Nick

It's been said that the draft is basically not feasible anymore, due to the more complex equipment involved now. They basically used to just strap a gun on you and throw you out there, but it's not possible anymore because you'd have no idea how to use it. And thanks to "don't ask don't tell" everyone would just tell them they're gay, because if you violate the "don't tell" then you get discharged.

That + the sufficient amounts of "volunteers" "freely" enlisting.

[Athens]

Originally posted by Nick

It's true and sad :-/ Unfortunately I think NO black people would vote for Clinton, but they wouldn't vote for McCain either and they just wouldn't vote, out of protest. The latinos that support Hillary would vote for Obama, but the working class white people wouldn't, because nobody wants to trust their money with someone with so little economic experience. Honestly I'd trust McCain more myself when it comes to the economy, and that's my biggest issue this year. The young people that are so in love with Obama...if he's not nominated I think a lot of them will still vote democrat but another large portion will not vote at all. Old white people probably won't vote for Obama. I think Hillary has a better chance of maintaining more of the democratic base and also of winning the general election, especially because swing states tend to be populated with her constituents (old people, working class whites, etc.).

Didn't McCain make a comment about his lack of experience in regards to the economy? You're right about the Black voters and their lack of support for McCain. He screwed up big time when he went against the proposition for MLK day among a slew of other things.

Don't forget the third party nominees that are also running. Anyone who wishes to make their vote a protest against the democratic nominee could easily do so without supporting McCain. They're all quiet now but I see a larger than usual turn out for them in November.

[Rico Shameless v2]

Oh God, could she just drop out already? I mean seriously by the time she decides to end it McCain will have had drawn enough voters who have realized Hillary isn't going to win. Obama needs to time to rebuild himself for the Democratic party.

[Anthony K.]

Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2

Oh God, could she just drop out already? I mean seriously by the time she decides to end it McCain will have had drawn enough voters who have realized Hillary isn't going to win. Obama needs to time to rebuild himself for the Democratic party.

[Nick]

Originally posted by WAЯЯEN

The rules are the rules; you cant change the rules when it's convenient. Clinton and her supporters should be thankful for anything that has been done in their favor because we all know if Clinton was ahead she wouldn't give a **** about Michigan or Florida. FACT! There is always 2012; she really needs to throw in the towel. She is basically damaging her party by letting this campaign continue. Ugh, she makes me sick.

"rules are rules" but they're not fair regardless. How can you take away the voices of two states? It's completely unfair. When the states decided to move up the primaries, the choice was NOT left to the people, so why should the people suffer by having their votes nullified? The votes that moved up the primaries were both taken in the republican-controlled state legislatures of Florida and Michigan, leaving no voice to the people, especially the democrats in those states. To strip their delegates completely would be a complete injustice to those people who have every right to have a say in who the democratic nominee is. What makes ME sick is the fact that Obama supporters don't give half a **** about those people because "rules are rules" and they just happen to benefit Mr. Obama.

[Jared]

Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2

Oh God, could she just drop out already? I mean seriously by the time she decides to end it McCain will have had drawn enough voters who have realized Hillary isn't going to win. Obama needs to time to rebuild himself for the Democratic party.

Clinton is the best candidate PERIOD.

Too bad most Amercian's are too blind to see that

[TC]

Hillary Clinton on Michigan:

Originally posted by Hillary Clinton, November 10, 2007

It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything.

Originally posted by Hillary Clinton, May 21, 2008

I believe the Democratic Party must count these votes!

Stephen Colbert on this whole thing:

Originally posted by Stephen Colbert, May 29, 2008

Some people say this is inconsistent. But I say she's being remarkably consistent... in saying whatever it takes to win.

That said, it's true that it's not the voters' fault in Michigan. It's not their fault the state moved the primary so early. It's also not their fault they weren't allowed to vote for Obama, Edwards, Richardson, and Biden. So, I think the decision to give 69 half-votes to Clinton and 59 half-votes to Obama was fair.

[WAЯЯEN]

Originally posted by Nick

"rules are rules" but they're not fair regardless. How can you take away the voices of two states? It's completely unfair. When the states decided to move up the primaries, the choice was NOT left to the people, so why should the people suffer by having their votes nullified? The votes that moved up the primaries were both taken in the republican-controlled state legislatures of Florida and Michigan, leaving no voice to the people, especially the democrats in those states. To strip their delegates completely would be a complete injustice to those people who have every right to have a say in who the democratic nominee is. What makes ME sick is the fact that Obama supporters don't give half a **** about those people because "rules are rules" and they just happen to benefit Mr. Obama.

Don't get me wrong, I understand where you are coming from but what happens to the people who followed the rules by not voting? What happens to the people in Michigan who voted for Hilary because their candidate wasn't on the ballot? This is what happens when rules are not followed: chaos erupts. It's not a matter of ignoring the millions of people who went out in voted it's a matter of respecting the other 48 states who waited their turn. It's very blatant that this is only a big deal because Clinton is behind in delegates.

[Lee!!]

Desperate times call for desperate measures and thats all Clinton is doing

[Nick]

I disagree with what she said before, because it's really not right. 48 states shouldn't decide the nominee no matter what. If she was ahead right now and they were Obama states, I'd still feel the same way because it's just unfair and undemocratic. It would have been bittersweet because you don't want to be the nominee on a technicality. And while I do disagree with her previous statements, I can understand her thinking before; she had planned to have wrapped up the nomination on Super Tuesday, in which case most states wouldn't have needed their votes counted, much like in McCain's case, and Florida and Michigan wouldn't have needed a voice anyway. When it's this close, though, it comes to the point that not counting them is unfair. I don't think that campaigning would have made any difference in Florida, which is already full of Hillary supporters - Latinos, old people, old women especially. In fact if campaigning would have benefited anyone, it would have been Hillary. Obama aired ads in Florida despite signing an agreement not to, but that didn't help his cause very much. As for Michigan, it's another blue collar voter state, and I think she still would have taken that one by a similar margin. Hillary is a love or hate type of person, and anyone who voted for her wanted her to have their vote, or they would have voted uncommitted with the rest.

[Carlos]

Internationally, this has reduced to ANYTHING but Obama, lol.

[Jared]

Congrats to Hilary on her win in Puerto Rico

[MrDeeds]

Puerto Rico loves Hillary!

[TC]

Originally posted by MrDeeds

Hilary>McCain>Obama

Normally I don't take people on directly in this thread, but this is just too ridiculous to pass up. Can you tell me your thought process for that backwards opinion?

Here's a quick summary of some of the issues to help you out.

THE WAR
Hillary wants out of Iraq
Obama wants out of Iraq
McCain wants to keep the war going

THE ECONOMY
Hillary wants tax relief for the middle class; tax increase for the rich
Obama wants tax relief for the middle class; tax increase for the rich
McCain wants no change for the middle class; continued tax relief for the rich

HEALTHCARE
Hillary wants universal health care for everyone
Obama wants opt-in universal health care for everyone
McCain opposes any kind of universal health care

IMMIGRATION
Hillary supports a proper path to citizenship for immigrants
Obama supports a proper path to citizenship for immigrants
McCain is too busy with the false promise of "securing the border"

REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS
Hillary fully supports reproductive rights
Obama fully supports reproductive rights
McCain believes Roe v. Wade should be overturned

GAY RIGHTS
Hillary supports civil unions for gay people
Obama supports civil unions for gay people
McCain opposes civil unions for gay people

I could go on. Notice a trend? Now, back up your opinion.

[MrDeeds]

Who i think could be a better president?
Hillary>McCain>Obama

[TC]

So what you're saying is, anything the candidates believe or want to do as president essentially doesn't matter.

[MrDeeds]

Originally posted by TC

So what you're saying is, anything the candidates believe or want to do as president essentially doesn't matter.

You must know, i guess, 75% of that is bull ****.