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TV Show: Looking: Season 2
Member Since: 3/15/2012
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I'm glad for Frank because he finally finished with Agustin, the CJ plot was ****.
I'm happy for Dom because he has his restaurant and he realized that he loved Lynn, i can see them having a baby for seasom two or adoption plot, Doris is fun and she also needs to come back.
Patrick is so weak, clumsy, immature, i'll never finish, his love for Richie was because of his looks, he wasn't very committed with the relationship, the way he described him to his mom was sad, thank God that Richie saw this and broke up, he will come back soon and know he will be rich or maybe will have his own hair saloon.
I know that K & P were anticipating that moment, the kiss confused Patrick and of course that K just wanted a quickie, yes it was hot, but i don't have any respect for Patrick, and i don't see Kevin in his future anytime soon, Patrick always wants more and more, he reminds me of Susan from Desperate Housewives.
And i'm worried that when they comeback on January, they will begin 2x01 with the line: 6 months later....
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BTW geemarty, I love your flawless Sidney avi.
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Thanks! Yours is flawless as well
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Thanks! Yours is flawless as well
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Thoughts on the season finale:
YES at Patrick & Kevin finally getting together. Russell Tovey's ass gets a 10.
YES at Dom & Lynn sort of sealing the deal too. Great kiss.
Augustin is a mess as usual.
Richie of course, didn't want to commit even further. He's in the next season, so I don't think P & R's relationship is kaput just yet.
Biggest YES at the show ending with a Golden Girls dialogue and the theme song too. The season finale totally made this show worth a second season, imo.
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Any rating news? I'm sensing a series-high
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Originally posted by santos
Sis they are two grown men. There was no harassment. Patrick was thirsty for that D since the beginning
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Two grown men my ass. The idea that harrassment is somehow not as big a deal when it's between "two men" is the VERY reason why sexual abuse is so rampant in the gay community and often goes unreported. The **** is NOT cute.
As it stands, Kevin used his position as Patrick's boss to get him to come to the office late at night, proceeded to invade Patrick's personal space AGAIN, and then whined and pressed closer when Patrick initially pushed him away.
If this had happened between female and her MALE boss in real life, this would be an open-shut case of sexual harassment.
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I get people being annoyed with Patrick and his decisions, but he is an emotionally immature guy and his identity seems quite undeveloped as an adult. This show has done a good job of showing what it is actually like to be in that place in the gay world. The problem is that what many gay guys would want/expect from this type of show is going to differ wildly and there is no way to make everyone happy. Either there is going to be too much sex or not enough. There are going to be too many unlikable characters that make gay men look bad or too many dull characters that aren't realistic enough in the gay scope. In that respect, they were kind of set up to cause such polar opposite reactions before shooting the first frame.
One thing I think this show has done so far, which shows like QAF failed miserably at, is presenting characters that are gay and realistic, not caricatures of what people think being gay is. Sure, there are a couple of vile/borderline sociopathic characters, but that is because people like absolutely exist in the world, gay or otherwise. And yes there are some questionable decisions made regarding sex and relationships by some of these characters, but they are actually decisions that face a lot of gays in these same positions and are appropriately representative of the maturity levels of some of these characters at that point in time in their personal journeys. In regard to the pointed focus on their relationships over careers or family lives, this is a short season with 30-minute episodes (that up until recently was not guaranteed a second season) and relationships seem to be at the heart of the show, so naturally they'd spend their first season trying to establish this. I can imagine there are plenty of expansive places they can go next season. In the end though, these guys are more realistic to me than the caricatures that are at the forefront of shows like Will & Grace and Modern Family, and I personally appreciate that.
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I disagree completely. Yes, Queer as Folk was a campy, fun show. But the gays it portrayed were more realistic than anything we've seen from Looking.
The character in QaF had lives, ambitions, hobbies, and things going on in their lives that had NOTHING to do with who they wanted to ****, and the show actually spent time on this. QaF didn't just say "Oh, Brian Kinney works for a marketing firm, now lets watch him have sex for 6 seasons." Brian actually had MAJOR drama on the show surrounding his career ambitions (and does anyone remember the season where he ran for local office?) Justin dealt with PTSD. Emmett dealt with ageism. Ted dealt with drug addiction. Michael was a huge dork and spent a lot of time learning how to grow up and be a mature adult. QaF had TWO LESBIAN CHARACTERS that went through their own ****. QaF wasn't afraid to give it's characters drama and tension in other aspects of their lives besides who they were ****ing. They were relateable, and they had real things happen to them. And these weren't just bullet-points, the show actually spent episodes of time dealing with these things.
Looking doesn't. Did we ever see Patrick deal with any sort of work drama that had nothing to do with Kevin? No. Hell, let's apply the Bechdel test here: did we ever see Patrick once, just once, have a single conversation with another character that had nothing to do with a man he was ****ing/crushing on? Nope. That is not real. Gay men are more than just our dicks and assholes.
Looking shows us the most 1-dimensional, flat gay characters we've had on TV since Will and Grace, but because it's on HBO and shot through an Instagram filter we're supposed to believe they're deep?
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I actually caught up with it since I was done after Episode 1.
Pretty good. Definitely a male version of Girls with a twist. Lots of sex, and ass shots, and those "Okay I can sense the Girlfriends/SATC/Golden Girls formula happening" moments where you kinda mold them into one of "the 4" personalities.
It was definitely a good watch hopefully they give at least 2 more episodes next season. But damn.. 2015
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Now that this show is over for this year, I HIGHLY recommend that you watch Queer As Folks.
It's also about a group of gay friends and everyone agrees that Looking is just a sad and cheap version of it. Yep, it's that good.
Edit: oh there is already a QaF discussion going on.
QaF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking
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This show is HORRIBLE. Just all around trash. Qaf>>>>>
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Originally posted by Royalan
Two grown men my ass. The idea that harrassment is somehow not as big a deal when it's between "two men" is the VERY reason why sexual abuse is so rampant in the gay community and often goes unreported. The **** is NOT cute.
As it stands, Kevin used his position as Patrick's boss to get him to come to the office late at night, proceeded to invade Patrick's personal space AGAIN, and then whined and pressed closer when Patrick initially pushed him away.
If this had happened between female and her MALE boss in real life, this would be an open-shut case of sexual harassment.
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Definitely have to agree with you here.
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Originally posted by Royalan
I disagree completely. Yes, Queer as Folk was a campy, fun show. But the gays it portrayed were more realistic than anything we've seen from Looking.
The character in QaF had lives, ambitions, hobbies, and things going on in their lives that had NOTHING to do with who they wanted to ****, and the show actually spent time on this. QaF didn't just say "Oh, Brian Kinney works for a marketing firm, now lets watch him have sex for 6 seasons." Brian actually had MAJOR drama on the show surrounding his career ambitions (and does anyone remember the season where he ran for local office?) Justin dealt with PTSD. Emmett dealt with ageism. Ted dealt with drug addiction. Michael was a huge dork and spent a lot of time learning how to grow up and be a mature adult. QaF had TWO LESBIAN CHARACTERS that went through their own ****. QaF wasn't afraid to give it's characters drama and tension in other aspects of their lives besides who they were ****ing. They were relateable, and they had real things happen to them. And these weren't just bullet-points, the show actually spent episodes of time dealing with these things.
Looking doesn't. Did we ever see Patrick deal with any sort of work drama that had nothing to do with Kevin? No. Hell, let's apply the Bechdel test here: did we ever see Patrick once, just once, have a single conversation with another character that had nothing to do with a man he was ****ing/crushing on? Nope. That is not real. Gay men are more than just our dicks and assholes.
Looking shows us the most 1-dimensional, flat gay characters we've had on TV since Will and Grace, but because it's on HBO and shot through an Instagram filter we're supposed to believe they're deep?
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...but I kind of have to disagree with you here. You're not giving Looking any credit for the following story lines: Agustin's struggle as an artist and Dom's ambitions to become a restauranteur. Also, you have to realize that Looking is a half-hour show. There's only so much that can be crammed into 30 minutes. The writers have to decide what they want to spend their time focusing on, and they chose to focus on primarily the romantic lives of three gay men living in San Francisco. And that's OK, because, well, there haven't been that many shows that have covered that topic!
I hear you — gay men are more than just "dicks and assholes." But gay men are also sexual beings, and gay sexuality is STILL a taboo topic on network and cable television. Hell, in some ways, I think Looking has been a little too conservative with its depictions of gay sex! There should be a balance in terms of story lines — hardly anybody's life completely revolves around who they're dating — but there is still a great value in a show that depicts the dating lives of young gay men.
Queer as Folk definitely covered some important, heavy-hitting issues...but kind of poorly, if you ask me. Not that the show didn't make positive contributions to gay television, because it did, but the writing and acting often left me wanting.
Looking is far from a perfect show, but I don't think you're giving credit where credit is due.
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Originally posted by Royalan
Two grown men my ass. The idea that harrassment is somehow not as big a deal when it's between "two men" is the VERY reason why sexual abuse is so rampant in the gay community and often goes unreported. The **** is NOT cute.
As it stands, Kevin used his position as Patrick's boss to get him to come to the office late at night, proceeded to invade Patrick's personal space AGAIN, and then whined and pressed closer when Patrick initially pushed him away.
If this had happened between female and her MALE boss in real life, this would be an open-shut case of sexual harassment.
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Goes for the rest of your post as well.
Augustin is a complete waste, they need to get rid of him asap. The only characters I even remotely like are Dom and Richie (and Lynn, but who knows if he's coming back).
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I didn't know this topic was about Queer As Folf ...
I just called a mod, yall betta stop the off topic or WP's are gonna drop like flies
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I'm about to start the season finale on HBOGO, I missed it last night!
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OMG is not like K assaulted him. So dramatic.
Patrick could have easily walked away. He spread his legs willingly
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Patrick said that he doesn't do anal ... like never !
I don't think he even let Richie ...
I think the fact that Patrick allowed Kevin speaks volume.
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It's good that we know Looking is already renewed. As one season it would've been solid but definitely has room for improvement, hopefully the show does the rare and improve upon it's debut.
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Not team kevin but I a least liked him but his thorst over patrick and patrick gave in and I was so proud of him after he rejected him at the wedding richie is soooooo sweet he actually cared about pats dumbass. The boss is gonna be a dbag after this bookmark me. At least richie is a regular right
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OMG, Agustin's BF read him for filth, "you're not an artist and whatever you do will be mediocre", he's right.
Augustin is ridiculously annoying and they could have had a different type of character to fill his spot.
Oh my god, I was so heartbroken for Dom when Lynn brought that other guy, Dom has been my favorite all season long and he's done the most progress, it was cute seeing the older and most masculine/DOMinant of the three fall in love like a puppy with an older man. I was kind of hopping Dom would have just accepted it, said thanks to Lynn at the end of the night and move on. Keep it courteous and mature, not kiss the man. But I ship them. Matthew the guy Lynn brought was really hot though.
Doris.... OMG, she's just everything and I love her. She's so sweet and supporting and she deserves everything. I'm glad she's a main character next season.
Kevin telling Patrick that he can't help himself at work seeing him all the time was just everything, I got so excited during that part, then the sex scene and Kevins back and ass... lord help me. It's kind of iffy how next season is going to work out between them, while I do ship Kevin and Patrick, IMO flings at work are never a good idea, it's just awkward and causes tension and iffy situations.
Here I thought it was going to end then darn Richie pops up and up's Kevin's speech and makes it all mushy, I still don't ship them, they'll try to make it work but best of luck to them. Ideally Richie should have been one of the 3 main with Patrick and Dom. I think it would work better that way.
Now Patrick, he's relateable and all but what does he want? He has a job and he wants a BF but we don't know much about him, he's just there, I really think they need to work on him next season. He's just this innocent 29 year old with a 6 month old relationship and no strong opinions and gets maneuvered pretty easily. I need him to toughen up or make that progress on the next season. Grow up!
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OMG is not like K assaulted him. So dramatic.
Patrick could have easily walked away. He spread his legs willingly
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Oh no, Patrick definitely took that D willingly in the end. I agree with that.
I just think that there's no way to view Kevin as anything other than a creep at this point. He used his authority over Kevin as his boss to goad him into a situation he didn't initially want to be in, regardless of what inevitably happened.
This is the main reason why most companies (and colleges) have strict rules against management/faculty sleeping with their staff/students. Because even if it's not rape, even if it's not "harassment" as we know it, it can still be exploitative in the sense that the person with the power can use that power to achieve a certain end, which is exactly what Kevin did. Patrick left an important pop-up dinner put on by one of his best friends, while his other best friend was drugged up and emotional, to go be at his office in the middle of the evening. It's hard to imagine Patrick doing that if Kevin weren't his Boss.
So yeah, while Patrick willingly got ALL of that sexy British dick shoved in, the way that it happened definitely makes Kevin a bit of a creep. And hopefully the show calls him out on that next season, instead of just going "Look! Two men ****ing! Hot!"
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