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Discussion: Beyonce: same level as Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Janet?
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
My real fave is Stevie Wonder. 
Beyonce already said what she said.
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Gyal. You never claimed Stevie before the discipline era cancelations. You get a new weave, a new personality and a new fave.
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Sales are the only thing letting her down
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You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation.
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
Gyal. You never claimed Stevie before the discipline era cancelations. You get a new weave, a new personality and a new fave.
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Cuz that was 2008 before I really got into his music in November of 2009. And come September 28, 2013, my stint with Janet was done. But you tried to clock with no time though. 
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
Whitney is not a pioneer. You can type until your fingers turn blue.
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And Beyoncé will never surpass her. You can run away from the facts. There's a reason you're STILL not using Google when it's right there.
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
Fact = Janet and Whitney are not inducted.
How do you like them apples?
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Has Beyonce ACTUALLY been inducted? Y'all think she's getting in with DC in 2022? LOL. And she is gonna be eligible in 2027 or 2028, more than 10 years away? So what exactly do you have to gloat about? Do you know how much things can change in a decade? 
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Originally posted by BSPEARSUK
Sales are the only thing letting her down
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Not really. Anyone with a sound mind knows not to compare sales from the 80s, 90s to anything post 2003
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Originally posted by Travis Bickle
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Beyonce will never be bigger than Madonna, we're basically talking about a historical figure ( TIME, The Smithsonian - world's largest museum). So, I hope her stans don't come for the wrong person  but has already happened .
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Jantet is out of the question.
Celine is out of the question.
Mariah is out of the question.
No matter how much you try to bring their albums sales, Beyonce's huge acclaim kills all of this #FACT and she is the most successful act TODAY.
Critics and people doesn't care about their album sales, there's a tons of artists at a higher level and these ladies have outsold their entire discographies with only one album, so what???. And yes, you're going to tell me that critics always bring Madonna sales in every damn article (best-selling female artist blah blah blahh..) but this is only because she has the huge acclaim, the huge impact and the huge influence (all of this WW), the same with others big-sellers acclaimed legends.
Now the problem with Whitney is that she is dead, So I understand how this can bring some confusion. But the true is that that even after her death her music continues without winning acclaim (I mean even in the CNN series of the 80s she was barely mentioned) and she was basically a fad. I think it's safe to say that Beyonce is above her IMO
You can write all the essays you want about this and I myself believe Beyonce to be the most overrated thing out there, but FACTS are FACTS. Get over it, It's not the end of the world 
Beyonce will be inducted into Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in her first year of eligibility. Doesn't this tell you something...? seriously.
Beyonce is extremely successful as well as being acclaimed. She is definitely above all of these four ladies and faaarrr behind of Madonna and Aretha.
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And I forgot to mention that she has the LONGEVITY on her side. Super important !
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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.
And Beyoncé will never surpass her. You can run away from the facts. There's a reason you're STILL not using Google when it's right there.
Has Beyonce ACTUALLY been inducted? Y'all think she's getting in with DC in 2022? LOL. And she is gonna be eligible in 2027 or 2028, more than 10 years away? So what exactly do you have to gloat about? Do you know how much things can change in a decade? |
What we know is that Janet hasn't been and won't be inducted 
And bey has surpassed both of them. Neither one has consistently slayed.
Whitney 1984 - 2000
Janet 1986 - 2001
It was cute while it lasted.
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
Cuz that was 2008 before I really got into his music in November of 2009. And come September 28, 2013, my stint with Janet was done. But you tried to clock with no time though. |
At least you admitted it. And my timeline was spot on. I'm happy you have moved on to bigger and better artists. And a TRUE pioneer at that.
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Originally posted by Superpower
Not really. Anyone with a sound mind knows not to compare sales from the 80s, 90s to anything post 2003
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and bey has 9 #1s and like over 200 mil career record sales. like, she's definitely not lacking sales.
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Originally posted by Travis Bickle
31 pages
Beyonce will never be bigger than Madonna, we're basically talking about a historical figure ( TIME, The Smithsonian - world's largest museum). So, I hope her stans don't come for the wrong person but has already happened .
Now
Jantet is out of the question.
Celine is out of the question.
Mariah is out of the question.
No matter how much you try to bring their albums sales, Beyonce's huge acclaim kills all of this #FACT and she is the most successful act TODAY.
Critics and people doesn't care about their album sales, there's a tons of artists at a higher level and these ladies have outsold their entire discographies with only one album, so what???. And yes, you're going to tell me that critics always bring Madonna sales in every damn article (best-selling female artist blah blah blahh..) but this is only because she has the huge acclaim, the huge impact and the huge influence (all of this WW), the same with others big-sellers acclaimed legends.
Now the problem with Whitney is that she is dead, So I understand how this can bring some confusion. But the true is that that even after her death her music continues without winning acclaim (I mean even in the CNN series of the 80s she was barely mentioned) and she was basically a fad. I think it's safe to say that Beyonce is above her IMO
You can write all the essays you want about this and I myself believe Beyonce to be the most overrated thing out there, but FACTS are FACTS. Get over it, It's not the end of the world
Beyonce will be inducted into Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in her first year of eligibility. Doesn't this tell you something...? seriously.
Beyonce is extremely successful as well as being acclaimed. She is definitely above all of these four ladies and faaarrr behind of Madonna and Aretha.
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This
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I don't think she's as groundbreaking as them musically, but I'd definitely say she's on their level in terms of star power/talent (vocally and performance-wise), her success as a touring artist is incredible too.
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
At least you admitted it. And my timeline was spot on. I'm happy you have moved on to bigger and better artists. And a TRUE pioneer at that.
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You really think you clocked huh? I openly admitted to stanning for Janet on here. But again, that ENDED in 9/28/2013. Not to mention the bevy of posts stating as such. You really thought you had someone going huh?
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
You really think you clocked huh? I openly admitted to stanning for Janet on here. But again, that ENDED in 9/28/2013. Not to mention the bevy of posts stating as such. You really thought you had someone going huh? |
Look at you explaining yourself over and over again. ClockT much?
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
Look at you explaining yourself over and over again. ClockT much?
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You couldn't clock me if your name was Rolex. Have a seat.
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
[CENTER]So, high tour gross = great performer, low tour gross = bad performer? K.
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I didn't draw that conclusion.
You did.
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
You couldn't clock me if your name was Rolex. Have a seat. |
You got clocked. And it ain't no Rolex, because it's still ticking.
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Originally posted by C.Damen
I didn't draw that conclusion.
You did.
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Not ha getting clockT backIIback
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
What we know is that Janet hasn't been and won't be inducted
And bey has surpassed both of them. Neither one has consistently slayed.
Whitney 1984 - 2000
Janet 1986 - 2001
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And between them they have 11 #1s and 23 top tens, and 10 #1s and 27 top tens with only 7 successful albums. Some artists have nearly the same amount of albums and still don't have half of that. They both ranked in the top 10 of Billboard's All Time Top 100 artists, while some artists, who have nearly the same amount of releases, didn't make the top 10, 20, 30, or 40. And that's just charts, I won't even go into sales.
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