[Ramcoro]

Originally posted by FAME.

! Like....sexual orientation is such a broad thing. You can know someone for two weeks and still have no idea what their sexual orientation is. Then there are some people who you can automatically tell (and even then that is based on assumptions.) You have to get to know someone at least a little (speak to them, be close to them, interact with them, etc.) to know of their sexual orientation sometimes. Being black? not so much.

A police officer isn't pulling over a white guy just because they THINK they looked gay driving by. They certainly will to a black person, because there's no question.

A job isn't overlooking your job application because they see it says "Homosexual" in one of the sections (oh wait, that's right there is no section for sexual orientation). Some places won't even hire black people

A white gay man isn't going into a high end store and getting followed around. A black male? Might not even make it without having security called. Like...

I understand what you are saying, and I agree with most of your points. Gay whites still have white privilege, and we do not suffer in many areas that blacks do. I got that.

Except for the employment issues. While it is true we still have white privilege and we won't suffer at an application, but we can still be denied a job at the interview or get fired in the job if you come out, it's actually legal in most places.

Anyways, I agree that blacks suffer from racism whereas gay whites do not. However, I must assert that gay whites suffer from homophobia where straight blacks do not. Straight privilege does exist. I am not say on is greater than the other, but when you are listing examples that illustrate how things are worse for black people it does make it seem like your trying to make it a competition.

[SlayingOnTheEarth]

This is basically what this article is saying

Dear Black gays, please only eat "black" food

Dear anyone-but-white gays, never use a phrase outside your community

Dear Asian gays, please only listen to Gangnam Style. No caucasian or black music allowed

Like, I can't believe this is even a discussion. The generalising of both black women (black people must only exist on a VH1 lot in ghetto North America apparently), white people and gay men in that article is vitriol. It's disgusting. I'm shocked that TIME OK'd it.

[Maiko]

Mess at this already being the top thread of the week

[qmpierre]

As a black guy, she is dumb and stupid. The rest of society tends to look down on black women (which she put down in her article how oppressed they are) and there actually is one that actually are inspired by them and she wants to complain about it??? Gays are more accepting of black women than any other community in the United States. If they want to act queeny and use non offensive words to talk about stuff let them..let them sip that tea and spill it hunty. Blacks didn't create twerking, its been around from generations in non conservative third world countries in Africa, Central and South America. Stop complaining over something so petty and pointless that isn't going to affect you negatively in the least and start complaining about the girls in Africa who are being kidnapped which is more important than some white gay guy trying to act like you.

[Quietly Trek]

Originally posted by FAME.

I'm sorry but no.
If George Zimmerman had shot and murdered a little gay white boy, he would be in jail. Without a doubt.
If George Zimmerman was a BLACK man who had shot and murdered anyone, he would be in jail, without a doubt.
If George Zimmerman was openly gay and still white, it would have made zero difference to his verdict. (whos to say he's not already gay..)

1. Highly unlikely, because our society doesn't associate orientation labels with little children. I'm assuming by little you mean somewhere under 12.
2. And who's to say a gay white man wouldn't have been put in jail for the same reason -- an openly gay white man, to clarify?
3. That's an assumption you're trying to write off as fact.

[Giliap]

Originally posted by konaa

You haven't flat out said it, but you've certainly suggested it. You get harassed because you can't /pretend/ to not be flamboyant out in public but black people still have the option to wear wigs, bleach their skin and have plastic surgery?

I am suggesting no such thing.

I've flat out CLARIFIED that POC face unjust discrimination AND that gays do NOT face anymore than they do. Just because I'm defending my case and trying to make you guys understand it, doesn't mean I'm suggesting I have it worse off. That would be ludicrous.

So let me clarify once again... Gays do not face more discrimination than POC. But Gays DO go through as much discrimination. Maybe not all of them... but that is a case by case basis that cannot be argued. You can't dismiss the ones that do.

[Stackhouse]

Originally posted by SlayingOnTheEarth

This is basically what this article is saying



Like, I can't believe this is even a discussion. The generalising of both black women (black people must only exist on a VH1 lot in ghetto North America apparently), white people and gay men in that article is vitriol. It's disgusting. I'm shocked that TIME OK'd it.

This. Like get the f*ck over yourselves, telling people what they can and can't like

[Hobbes]

I agree.

[Pluto]

With the exception about what she said about "passing" in regards to those in the LGBT community, which is problematic in a number of ways people here and elsewhere have mentioned, I entirely agree with her. I don't think anything she said is unreasonable.

[FAME.]

Originally posted by Quietly Trek

1. Highly unlikely, because our society doesn't associate orientation labels with little children. I'm assuming by little you mean somewhere under 12.
2. And who's to say a gay white man wouldn't have been put in jail for the same reason -- an openly gay white man, to clarify?
3. That's an assumption you're trying to write off as fact.

1. No by little I meant 17/18 the same age Trayvon Martin was
2. Nobody is saying that. But he would have way more of a chance of getting off than a BLACK man that had murdered someone.
3. It's not really an assumption. If George Zimmerman was black and had murdered someone he would be in jail.

[r0b1do]

Originally posted by accelgors

i guarantee you the amount of people killed for being black is much lower than the amount killed for being gay.

You sure about that, bro?

[Temporal]

Originally posted by Alesus

!!!!!

I have been waiting for someone to finally make this point.

you are NOT refused jobs because you are gay.

http://www.takepart.com/article/2014...-ptnr-upworthy

[Stackhouse]

If a white person wants to shake their cakes a biT to Lady Shaw whilst sipping that tea, I say let 'em.

You're all so devoid of joy

[Cristhian]

The essays here.

[Giliap]

Originally posted by Pluto

With the exception about what she said about "passing" in regards to those in the LGBT community, which is problematic in a number of ways people here and elsewhere have mentioned, I entirely agree with her.

don't go any further than that because this is exactly my stance on the article but somehow words... no ideas... are being thrown at me by a few people in here like they make up my mind.

[konaa]

Originally posted by Stackhouse

This. Like get the f*ck over yourselves, telling people what they can and can't like

All of this being said, you should not have to stop liking the things you like. This is not an attempt to try to suck the fun out of your life. Appreciating a culture and appropriating one are very, very different things, with a much thicker line than some people think, if you use all of the three seconds it takes to be considerate before you open your mouth.

Why is it so difficult for y'all to stop trying to dispute everything and READ?

[Bulldog]

Originally posted by Alesus

!!!!!

I have been waiting for someone to finally make this point.

you are NOT refused jobs because you are gay.

BISH WHET? Are you even serious?

[Stackhouse]

Originally posted by Alesus

!!!!!

I have been waiting for someone to finally make this point.

you are NOT refused jobs because you are gay.

Um yes you most definitely can be

Yikes at the lack of research

[Giliap]

Originally posted by Eaten By Lions

I think this commenter nailed it

http://ti.me/1kFTaYr

[Stackhouse]

Originally posted by konaa

Why is it so difficult for y'all to stop trying to dispute everything and READ?

This is a forum. We discuss the article and the comments underneath it, as well as broader issues stemming from the OP!

I was addressing the posters who have commented stuff like that