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Discussion: What's your stance on...? #46: Organ Donation
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but Deism is the belief that god created everything and doesn't intervene afterwards, which would explain events like the Holocaust. 
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That's a specific form of deism...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
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Deism (pronounced /ˈdiːɪzəm/, us dict: dē′·ĭzm)[1][2] in the philosophy of religion is the standpoint that reason and observation of the natural world, without the need for organized religion, can determine that a supreme being created the universe.
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And congrats on being Agnostic I guess 
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Are you kidding me? Turkey is being actively kept out of the EU and that charge is being led by Greece. The fact Turkey would have to resort to an alliance with Iran, possibly the most unpopular country in the world right now, is a very telling sign. And don't think it would just be Turkey vs. Iraq. Any aggressive moves by Turkey would spark international intervention in the area.
Do you honestly believe that? I'd like you to stop and think about what you're saying for just a second. The US may be having problems, but it's still the most powerful country in the world and Turkey, of all places, is nowhere near it.
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1) Of course you would be correct....... but you are forgetting the second most powerful nation in the world's involvement as well as the third most powerful nation in the world's involvement.
2) Yes. The US can't even defeat the Taliban.... a minor terrorist organization. I think Turkey is one of the most underestimated nations on the planet. 
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
I believe god made sure that the children would not be handicapped..... |
So in other words, you have closed your mind to any arguments against what you believe. You should be open minded and at least consider these things.
Inter-breeding leads to deformities and there was no divine hand preventing it then and there isn't now. That sounds pretty delusional.
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
So in other words, you have closed your mind to any arguments against what you believe. You should be open minded and at least consider these things.
Inter-breeding leads to deformities and there was no divine hand preventing it then and there isn't now. That sounds pretty delusional.
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I know. 
God made sure that the starting peoples of humanity would not be handicapped.
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
So in other words, you have closed your mind to any arguments against what you believe. You should be open minded and at least consider these things.
Inter-breeding leads to deformities and there was no divine hand preventing it then and there isn't now. That sounds pretty delusional.
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Not all inter-breeding leads to deformities. There are cases where the baby comes out perfectly healthy. Maybe that generation is the one that survived throughout the years.
EDIT : misspelled "the" lol
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
I believe god made sure that the children would not be handicapped..... |
....so why did he stop doing that? Genetic mutation is caused by errors in reading the base sequence, or entire chromosomes switching places. With such a small genepool and that much procreation, it's pretty much unavoidable.
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....so why did he stop doing that? Genetic mutation is caused by errors in reading the base sequence, or entire chromosomes switching places. With such a small genepool and that much procreation, it's pretty much unavoidable.
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You are very smart 
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Originally posted by Roman
....so why did he stop doing that? Genetic mutation is caused by errors in reading the base sequence, or entire chromosomes switching places. With such a small genepool and that much procreation, it's pretty much unavoidable.
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Because those children were special... they would determine if humanity would prosper or fail. All modern humanity was based on their ability to exist. (I would crumble under the pressure if I knew that  )
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
I know.
God made sure that the starting peoples of humanity would not be handicapped. |
Then why didn't God intervene in WW1 or WW2, why doesn't God help the 3rd world and why doesn't he intervene in the many natural disasters we have seen, for surely if you believe in God to that degree..God created those disasters or let them happen and they killed his 'people'
If there is a God he is chilling with a beer watching us like he is playing the Sims and he has been for a long ass time. There was never and has never been a great Godly intervention. If someone ****ed their sister, the kid was deformed.
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
Then why didn't God intervene in WW1 or WW2, why doesn't God help the 3rd world and why doesn't he intervene in the many natural disasters we have seen, for surely if you believe in God to that degree..God created those disasters or let them happen and they killed his 'people'
If there is a God he is chilling with a beer watching us like he is playing the Sims and he has been for a long ass time. There was never and has never been a great Godly intervention. If someone ****ed their sister, the kid was deformed.
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Of course the period you are talking about happened after Jesus came down to earth, was crucified on the cross for our sins, rose from the dead, and returned to heaven. The earth before this time was not under the ten commandments or the bible.... there is a reason why Year 0 is the dividing line in history.
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And btw... I like all your arguments I hope you don't hate me.
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Of course the period you are talking about happened after Jesus came down to earth, was crucified on the cross for our sins, rose from the dead, and returned to heaven. The earth before this time was not under the ten commandments or the bible.... there is a reason why Year 0 is the dividing line in history.
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...I don't understand how this is a reply to Bea's point.
There are endless disasters happening in the world right now.
God is not intervening.
And yet, according to you, he intervened when some Meiosis processes were in danger of causing malfunctions when redistributing newly synchrosized Chromosome strands.
What?
And thank you very much RatedGaga 
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Of course the period you are talking about happened after Jesus came down to earth, was crucified on the cross for our sins, rose from the dead, and returned to heaven. The earth before this time was not under the ten commandments or the bible.... there is a reason why Year 0 is the dividing line in history.
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There were wars and massive disasters long before the year 1 AD, there was no year 0. Why didn't he intervene then?
And your argument says that he just let's people die now, would a merciful god really do that if they could prevent death on such a large scale?
Death and disaster has been here long before 'God' and 'Christ' as we know them and it will be here long after, such is the way of the world.
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
There were wars and massive disasters long before the year 1 AD, there was no year 0. Why didn't he intervene then?
And your argument says that he just let's people die now, would a merciful god really do that if they could prevent death on such a large scale?
Death and disaster has been here long before 'God' and 'Christ' as we know them and it will be here long after, such is the way of the world.
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Originally posted by Roman
...I don't understand how this is a reply to Bea's point.
There are endless disasters happening in the world right now.
God is not intervening.
And yet, according to you, he intervened when some Meiosis processes were in danger of causing malfunctions when redistributing newly synchrosized Chromosome strands.
What?
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Yes A merciful god would do this.... we have free will. We know the difference between what is right and what is wrong. The decision is in our hands, we choose what to do in our lives. Disease's have formed from humanity itself. God did not create disease. God doesn't create natural disasters they form from the natural earth, which god created. I call it the year 0 or the time between Year 1 AD and BC. The time during Jesus' life.
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Yes A merciful god would do this.... we have free will. We know the difference between what is right and what is wrong. The decision is in our hands, we choose what to do in our lives. Disease's have formed from humanity itself. God did not create disease. God doesn't create natural disasters they form from the natural earth, which god created. I call it the year 0 or the time between Year 1 AD and BC. The time during Jesus' life. |
Hm you are now contradicting yourself. If God created the world and is in complete power of it, he would actually have to create Natural Disasters or let them happen, it has nothing to do with free will.
If you knew what disease was you would know that it is not man-made, some bacteria have become resistant to drugs which I suppose could be considered a disease created because of mans interference but disease was here before man, disease stems from bacteria, environment, lifestyle and virus', these were ALL here before us.
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
Hm you are now contradicting yourself. If God created the world and is in complete power of it, he would actually have to create Natural Disasters or let them happen, it has nothing to do with free will.
If you knew what disease was you would know that it is not man-made, some bacteria have become resistant to drugs which I suppose could be considered a disease created because of mans interference but disease was here before man, disease stems from bacteria, environment, lifestyle and virus', these were ALL here before us.
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He doesn't create natural disasters.... they are created naturally through the earth he created.
Disease is a terrible thing, but the reason why it exists isn't from God but from the lifeforms on this planet. (correction from only people)
Don't hate me 
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
He doesn't create natural disasters.... they are created naturally through the earth he created.
Disease is a terrible thing, but the reason why it exists isn't from God but from the lifeforms on this planet. (correction from only people)
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God created the planet, God created lifeforms therefore God created disease.
I will put you down with your own logic. 
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I don't really care one way or another on this. My life will be the same tomorrow regardless of how we all came to be.
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
God created the planet, God created lifeforms therefore God created disease.
I will put you down with your own logic. |
Not really....
Perfect Example:
You have a Baby.
Baby Grows Up
Adult Murders Someone
You are now responsible for the Murder??
Everything on this earth has freewill.... Humans and other lifeforms together.
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Not really....
Perfect Example:
You have a Baby.
Baby Grows Up
Adult Murders Someone
You are now responsible for the Murder??
Everything on this earth has freewill.... Humans and other lifeforms together.
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Humans are not God's, they do not have power over what they create, your God would.
If you say these lifeforms that cause disease came to be on their own. You support the theory of evolution. No other way round it
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