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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Also, if O'Mal rises in the polls, he'll be cutting into the small number of moderates supporting Bernie, not Hillary's base. Regardless of what you think about the 9/11 comment - and far more people are angry that it was a "deflection" rather than that she brought it up - she had a stellar performance in the second half and nobody is leaving her.
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Not true at all. Hillary has always been one of the more liberal senators ever when she was in office and her voting record is extremely similar to Bernie's. Compare their records to someone like Rubio, Cruz, Christie, etc. if Bernie's supporters don't support her they, again, have never cared for his policies. Yes they are different, which is why he said they were different but not so different that she's like a republican next to him. Yes, dishonesty is her biggest flaw but it could be worse. Electability is his biggest flaw and that's even worse, if you can't get elected you'll never have a CHANCE to push forward policies you want.
She will not do her own thing. Nothing in her past years in office has ever led to that conclusion, it would not change now. And how do you not see Hill as worse than Trump? Trump and Sanders are SOOOO far apart policy wise im surprised you could even say that.
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I sorry I just don't agree, I'm going based off her history and I don't believe in what she's supported in the past. It is not the same, for an example she was supporting the Trans Pacific Partnership and now she's changed to being neutral on it. Bernie has garnered supporters who have never voted before just because he's stuck to his beliefs all along and it's always been for helping the american citizens. Hillary isn't even passionate of pushing policies she claims she supports now, its all about doing whatever it takes to win. If Obama couldn't get things past, neither will she with her flip flopping. She seems to be more concerned of Foreign Affairs than anything else, I wouldn't be surprised if she got us into war. Unless they have a good record and have made the effort of fighting for us and not just saying it, I'm not voting for them. We can't really get far worse than we already are, and I am not voting for any of the Republicans, they're going to get in simply for anything that occurs with Democratic party. Such as Bernie losing, lets not act like he isn't second to her.
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Originally posted by Javan
She was still the lest progressive democrat in the room overall  |
!!!! She's so conservative. Everyone on my FB cringed when she stopped at a 12 dollar minimum wage. 
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I sorry I just don't agree, I'm going based off her history and I don't believe in what she's supported in the past. It is not the same, for an example she was supporting the Trans Pacific Partnership and now she's changed to being neutral on it. Bernie has garnered supporters who have never voted before just because he's stuck to his beliefs all along and it's always been for helping the american citizens. Hillary isn't even passionate of pushing policies she claims she supports now, its all about doing whatever it takes to win. If Obama couldn't get things past, neither will she with her flip flopping. She seems to be more concerned of Foreign Affairs than anything else, I wouldn't be surprised if she got us into war. Unless they have a good record and have made the effort of fighting for us and not just saying it, I'm not voting for them. We can't really get far worse than we already are, and I am not voting for any of the Republicans, they're going to get in simply for anything that occurs with Democratic party. Such as Bernie losing, lets not act like he isn't second to her.
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I mean I know you won't agree but what you're saying is so misguided
She changed her position on a few policies. If you're willing to be bipartisan and work across the table you have to take in information and adapt, you have to be willing to change. She's shown she could do that, Bernie will never get things passed if he doesn't try it. Bernie has generated supporters but clearly not enough, he's way behind Hillary in ever poll and suffers from the un-electability issue, that is more critical than any other problem Hillary may have. And that's not true, Obama has done loads and has gotten so many things passed like the Lilly Ledbetter Act, Obamacare, Restricting Warrentless Wiretapes, etc. Hes done a lot, Hillary has promised to fix and continue that. So if you aren't voting for her, and not any Republican, who will you be voting for if she is indeed the nominee? The worst thing you can say is "I'm not voting". I'd rather you vote for a 3rd party candidate (whose policies are farther from Sanders' than Clinton's btw)
And Hillary, again, is not conservative. Besides the sources provided that showed O'Malley was the most conservative on stage, she's one of the most liberal people in terms of voting history. Her record
Oh, her policies were lauded by economists that have prestige. Sanders' and O'Malley's $15 plan has no credible people supporting it
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!!!! She's so conservative. Everyone on my FB cringed when she stopped at a 12 dollar minimum wage. |
You mean when she stopped at something achievable, something supported by economists, and something that could pass in a Congress controlled in whole or part by Republicans?
Gee, what a damn shocker that hyperliberal Bernie supporters would dislike an actually passable policy.
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If Obama couldn't get things past, neither will she with her flip flopping.
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Hold up, what exactly is it that you think Bernie effing Sanders could get passed then? I'm crying 
I won't even start on the rest.
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Javan, stop staying blind things out of hate for Hillary  It's getting tiring to see.
If anyone was "least progressive", it's Martin O'Malley.
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!!!! She's so conservative. Everyone on my FB cringed when she stopped at a 12 dollar minimum wage. |
THERE SHOULDN'T BE A $15 MINIMUM WAGE
Like, this isn't a political issue. It's an economic one, and there are next to no credible economists who support such a hike. What don't you get about that?
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It makes me laugh when PPL act like Hillary is this right-leaning evil shill when she was the eleventh most liberal senator in the senate. All this defaming.  |
People have really fallen for the propaganda. It's a mess.
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She seems to be more concerned of Foreign Affairs than anything else, I wouldn't be surprised if she got us into war.
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Okay, I see, you don't actually know what you're talking about. God forbid the former Secretary of State be well-versed in foreign affairs.
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Okay let's just all agree our candidates are better than 95% of the republican candidates. This fighting is exactly what's happening on social media with democrats
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I mean, let's take a look at Paris and the ongoing ISIL and Syria situations and try to realize that maybe foreign affairs will actually be the most important issue for Democrats to be well-versed in come the general election and come the next term.
OT: I love how Hill's accent comes out when she's fired up.
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Bernie showed last night that he is not ready to be Commander-In-Chief. Being President is more about breaking up the banks, taxing the 1% and not having a super-pac.
You can't just ignore foreign policy. You can't just shout "peace in the middle east".
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Okay let's just all agree our candidates are better than 95% of the republican candidates. This fighting is exactly what's happening on social media with democrats |
You're right. I get fired up but I gotta be thankful that I'm a Democrat. 
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I'm pretty thankful I'm a Democrat and, unlike one of "our" Presidential candidates, gladly accept the name of that party, and not after 34 years in elected office.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
I mean I know you won't agree but what you're saying is so misguided
She changed her position on a few policies. If you're willing to be bipartisan and work across the table you have to take in information and adapt, you have to be willing to change. She's shown she could do that, Bernie will never get things passed if he doesn't try it. Bernie has generated supporters but clearly not enough, he's way behind Hillary in ever poll and suffers from the un-electability issue, that is more critical than any other problem Hillary may have. And that's not true, Obama has done loads and has gotten so many things passed like the Lilly Ledbetter Act, Obamacare, Restricting Warrentless Wiretapes, etc. Hes done a lot, Hillary has promised to fix and continue that. So if you aren't voting for her, and not any Republican, who will you be voting for if she is indeed the nominee? The worst thing you can say is "I'm not voting". I'd rather you vote for a 3rd party candidate (whose policies are farther from Sanders' than Clinton's btw)
And Hillary, again, is not conservative. Besides the sources provided that showed O'Malley was the most conservative on stage, she's one of the most liberal people in terms of voting history. Her record
Oh, her policies were lauded by economists that have prestige. Sanders' and O'Malley's $15 plan has no credible people supporting it
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She's only adapting to Bernie's tune lol. The proof of Bernie tying already exists in his background, this is why he has brought in such a huge following, Hillary is all talk and does the opposite of her word which is why she's viewed as a flip flopper. He's not way behind Hillary in the polls, couple of points doesn't equate to severely behind. Un-electability issues have been brought up about Hillary too, not only Bernie. Obamacare is awful btw, and you'll be lucky if Hill gets a few things past. I really don't feel too confident of Hillary's efforts, but to each is their own I guess. I'm one of those people who don't believe in corporate media and TV, I could careless of what credible source supports there plan when they're all corrupted. I care about the american voters support, you know all the people who have donated $30 dollars a piece to Bernie Sanders who doesn't have SuperPacks and generated Millions something Hill could never do.
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She's only adapting to Bernie's tune lol. The proof of Bernie tying already exists in his background, this is why he has brought in such a huge following, Hillary is all talk and does the opposite of her word which is why she's viewed as a flip flopper. He's not way behind Hillary in the polls, couple of points doesn't equate to severely behind. Un-electability issues have been brought up about Hillary too, not only Bernie. Obamacare is awful btw, and you'll be lucky if Hill gets a few things past. I really don't feel too confident of Hillary's efforts, but to each is their own I guess. I'm one of those people who believe in corporate media and TV, I could careless of what credible source supports there plan when they're all corrupted. I care about the american voters support, you know all the people who have donated $30 dollars a piece to Bernie Sanders who doesn't have SuperPacks and generated Millions something Hill could never do.
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Let's just agree to disagree because this won't really go anywhere
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17% in Iowa and 25% nationally is not "a couple of points." This is not a choice between two equal entities, but a choice between a front runner and an upstart socialist.
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Originally posted by Chanel.
I'm pretty thankful I'm a Democrat and, unlike one of "our" Presidential candidates, gladly accept the name of that party, and not after 34 years in elected office.
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Oop, I wasn't gonna say it.
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I could careless of what credible source supports there plan when they're all corrupted. I care about the american voters support
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If you're referring to pundits, I feel you and ignore the rest of this paragraph. If you're referring to professional economists and their research along with those in other fields like foreign policy analysis, etc....That's super disrespectful to the immense levels of preparation and training it takes to get into those fields. I'm not a doctor, so I don't profess to understand how to do surgery. But people think that, because they took an intro macro class in high school, they can speak credibly on the economy.
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Waiting for all the online polls tomorrow showing Bernie "won" and his stans claiming conspiracy.  |
Omg Benzene 
Can't believe you of all people is stanning for HRC. You're too smart for this!
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