Example in Red Velvet's Happiness; The spoken/sing-y part before the "la la la" is a middle 8, while "shine on me" part is the bridge.
I got mixed up in my previous explanation. Bridge sounds different and bridges the gap between the change and return of the normal pattern of the song, and middle 8 is different, but typically serves the purpose of changing the sound slightly and building up and/or tuning down in the song.
That's what I've been taught, anyway.
I don't want to argue about this, but is it not more commonly accepted that a middle 8 is just a specific type of bridge? In a typically-structured pop song a la Happiness, the entire part that builds from the verse into the chorus, and is used more than once throughout the song, is the pre-chorus. Like that's one of the definite parts of song structure; that that's called a pre-chorus and isn't the same thing as a bridge (which is Wendy's "shine on me" part so yeah).
This is exactly what I mean, there is no standardized naming system for song structure. You were taught one way and I was taught another. But I'm fairly certain "pre-chorus" is the more widely used term for that particular part of a song.
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Originally posted by Belle
I thought the exact opposite :\
Idk if I'm more qualified than anybody else to answer this but I've got 11 years of classical piano under my belt and an intermediate knowledge of music theory so here goes:
You're sort of right. I think. From the "money power" part to Joy and Irene's rap = one very large pre-chorus. That's the name for it. Wendy's "shine on me" part is the bridge but I wouldn't call it a middle 8.
The thing everyone has to understand here is that there is no real distinction between a bridge and middle 8. In some songs you can sort of separate them based on melodic changes but they're basically two names for the same thing. A middle 8 is just...more specific. BUT some people refer to pre-choruses as bridges which is very confusing and doesn't make a lot of sense - a pre-chorus is a bridge, but because of its placement, serves a different function (bridging verse to chorus rather than chorus to chorus which is the conventional bridge/middle 8).
I don't want to argue about this, but is it not more commonly accepted that a middle 8 is just a specific type of bridge? In a typically-structured pop song a la Happiness, the entire part that builds from the verse into the chorus, and is used more than once throughout the song, is the pre-chorus. Like that's one of the definite parts of song structure; that that's called a pre-chorus and isn't the same thing as a bridge (which is Wendy's "shine on me" part so yeah).
This is exactly what I mean, there is no standardized naming system for song structure. You were taught one way and I was taught another. But I'm fairly certain "pre-chorus" is the more widely used term for that particular part of a song.
They are both a type of bridge, but they're both used for different things. But I know the pre-chorus in the song would be at that same section, but I'd distinguish the "money power" part as the pre-chorus and the rappy bit as the middle 8, since there's not really any rules a bridge or middle 8 can't be used twice.
Like you said, it's a difference in teaching and I don't think it really matters. I've been songwriting for a long time and that's just my knowledge on the subject.
But I'm fairly certain "pre-chorus" is the more widely used term for that particular part of a song.
I've been songwriting for a long time and that's just my knowledge on the subject.
seems like a party concept, so more likely similar to hands up!!
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