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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Idk. With Britney and her team so eager to keep her image squeaky clean and house-wifey, I'm not sure how long she can continue to compete. 2011 radio is not really a good indicator imo--it seems like Britney had to go out of her way ("I Heart Radio" Wango Tango, etc) to get spin that ended up being less than the peaks for artists like Katy, Rihanna, etc.
I don't know how she'll do with this era, but hopefully the interest doesn't continue to go down, and we look at FF as her Damita Jo (minus the controversy).
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Well we can only see how they go image wise with the next album. But I have to disagree about the radio. They've always been supportive of Britney, only failing her when blacklisted and when her public image was damaging to the stations personal reps. Circus was a huge era for her radio wise as well, it's not just her working well on radio. Besides every artist warms up Ryan Seacrest/iHeart/Wango Tango/Clear Channel. They control the airwaves, see radio deals left and right for every act. Deals Britney didn't have to act on for any of her singles, besides "Ooh La La".
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
^ Femme Fatale was the only era where it seemed like she lost control of trends and began reinventing herself to follow them.
Hold It Against Me, between choosing Bad Romance's Director, and trying to insert deeper meanings into a music video, seemed like she was trying to mirror Gaga. The backfire probably made them rethink the rest of the era.
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I first have to say, Jonas Akerlund is not "Bad Romance"'s director. He did "Telephone" and "Paparazzi" and is truly better known for his work with Madonna. "Bad Romance"'s director was Francis Lawrence, who Britney worked with on "I'm a Slave 4 U" (8 years prior) and "Circus" (1 year prior).
Otherwise, I agree. Her image was leaning to those around her, mainly Ke$ha from heavily working with her team and actually using her video director with "I Wanna Go" (down to the cheesy comedic moments and the way the video is directed like "Blow"). They didn't really have a choice, however. The entire seemed a hot mess.
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
Britney was the first to use dubstep in 07 and the first to release it in a commercially successful single ala HIAM. Musically she wasn't following trends, since she helped create them since Toxic. But the video for HIAM I can see where you get the idea from.
I don't remember a backfire, but that may be because I didn't follow Britney like that because I didn't know about these forums.
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Well, TTWE was literally jumping on the Ke$ha party music/anthem train. HIAM I agree was pretty edgy for the time. I Wanna Go was classic Britney/3/Max Martin. Criminal was just weird. 
The thing I've always thought about Brit is that she's a visual artist more than she is a music artist, so how she looks and what her videos are like factor 50% into her eventual success. (i.e. why Blackout and Femme Fatale, the two eras with the worst looks and the least iconic videos to the general public flopped in comparison to the rest of her flawless discography)
And yeah, a lot of Little Monsters thinking HIAM was inspired by Gaga and the paint splattering by Willow Smith  . It seems like noise, but really, comparisons and accusations can kill careers. (Bionic )
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
Well we can only see how they go image wise with the next album. But I have to disagree about the radio. They've always been supportive of Britney, only failing her when blacklisted and when her public image was damaging to the stations personal reps. Circus was a huge era for her radio wise as well, it's not just her working well on radio. Besides every artist warms up Ryan Seacrest/iHeart/Wango Tango/Clear Channel. They control the airwaves, see radio deals left and right for every act. Deals Britney didn't have to act on for any of her singles, besides "Ooh La La".
I first have to say, Jonas Akerlund is not "Bad Romance"'s director. He did "Telephone" and "Paparazzi" and is truly better known for his work with Madonna. "Bad Romance"'s director was Francis Lawrence, who Britney worked with on "I'm a Slave 4 U" (8 years prior) and "Circus" (1 year prior).
Otherwise, I agree. Her image was leaning to those around her, mainly Ke$ha from heavily working with her team and actually using her video director with "I Wanna Go" (down to the cheesy comedic moments and the way the video is directed like "Blow"). They didn't really have a choice, however. The entire seemed a hot mess.
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Oops, got it wrong but yeah, you got the meaning I guess. She'll never have earth-shattering sales again unless she ventures out and does her own thing (or at least sticks to it), visually, and musically, imo.
edit: forgot to reply to the first part
I'm pretty sure HIAM and IWG had radio deals though lol.
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
I said Elvis and the Stones had a flop 7th album, which is why I said all she needs to do is top them critically or commercially like they did much farther in their careers. Circus and Ff weren't creatively reinvented like ITZ or Blackout. Circus was about fixing her public image, but no one will say Circus and FF are her two best albums. They had stand outs but they aren't her best.
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Unfortunately there are some who hold Circus to such a high standard. For me, it's sixth in my list of her seven albums, right about Oops!. I've always argued it was created firmly to reintroduce her to the world, quickly put together from the moment she exited the insane asylum to the premiere of "Womanizer" eight months later.
Even despite my disdain for the album, I still see it as a moment of reinvention for her. Or maybe not that word, but something about the album is magical for her career. I guess the huge comeback factor. You can't just write it off. Femme Fatale however is musically reinvented, and pretty much most critics agree with that. Sure, she did not produce or write the music, but she is the artist who got that progressively forward pop tracks. It's not her second best reviewed album for nothing.
I do understand what you're saying, but I'm kind of just breaking it down more. These past two albums haven't shown leaps and bounds like Britney-ITZ-Blackout progression, but they also didn't just not attribute nothing to her career. And isn't the nail in the coffin as far as what she does with her music from her on out. I'm genuinely excited about the developments of album 8, it feels like ITZ/Blackout moments of producers she's never worked with and those who are not predictable. I would like to go out of the way to say it will probably be her most well received work, finally topping Oops!, but I obviously have to wait.
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Originally posted by Ozzy8923
Rico's posts always make me feel confident again. 
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And here I thought I'm turning into Kerty grump, ignored popping in with overdone opinions. 
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
Unfortunately there are some who hold Circus to such a high standard. For me, it's sixth in my list of her seven albums, right about Oops!. I've always argued it was created firmly to reintroduce her to the world, quickly put together from the moment she exited the insane asylum to the premiere of "Womanizer" eight months later.
Even despite my disdain for the album, I still see it as a moment of reinvention for her. Or maybe not that word, but something about the album is magical for her career. I guess the huge comeback factor. You can't just write it off. Femme Fatale however is musically reinvented, and pretty much most critics agree with that. Sure, she did not produce or write the music, but she is the artist who got that progressively forward pop tracks. It's not her second best reviewed album for nothing.
I do understand what you're saying, but I'm kind of just breaking it down more. These past two albums haven't shown leaps and bounds like Britney-ITZ-Blackout progression, but they also didn't just not attribute nothing to her career. And isn't the nail in the coffin as far as what she does with her music from her on out. I'm genuinely excited about the developments of album 8, it feels like ITZ/Blackout moments of producers she's never worked with and those who are not predictable. I would like to go out of the way to say it will probably be her most well received work, finally topping Oops!, but I obviously have to wait.
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I fully understand what you mean, and album 8 is truly the mos excited I've been for a Britney album. I just hope nothing messes it up. And Oops is her top 5 for sure.
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I agree. This is the first album in 10 years where Britney is at a more stable place. Blackout was released in the midst of her public image being destroyed, her losing custody of her children, a year after a messy divorce with long-term effects that were still present at the time, media headlines that were not flattering at all, and the 2007 VMA's, of course. Add that in to no radio support, and we should be so lucky she still sold well.
Circus was done, as Rico said, to reinvigorate her public image and boost up her profile again. It NEEDED to be done, no doubt about it, so it's not like I regret the record [fact is, I love it!] but it definitely had zero input from Britney. I mean, when it sinks in that she released in less than a YEAR after she was institutionalized, it's ****ing incredible to even think that they finished the album in the first place.
Femme Fatale, well, y'all know how that went down.
This is the first time where I feel like she isn't being pressured. Where she just will do what she wants with her work and promote it accordingly. I'm glad. That's why I REALLY have a good feeling about this album and how it will be received by the fans and critics.
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If the dancing is going to be like Fatte Femele though, I would rather her just put on brilliant live performances ala Rihanna's Diamond performance (at the X Factor) or just look happy but awkward like Katy.
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If the dancing is like FF, then I rather there be no dancing at all. Just make her look amazing and walk around a bit and no one will complain.
I swear, if she didn't look a mess for the FFT/ promo performances, everyone would of loved them. 
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Originally posted by Ozzy8923
If the dancing is like FF, then I rather there be no dancing at all. Just make her look amazing and walk around a bit and no one will complain.
I swear, if she didn't look a mess for the FFT/ promo performances, everyone would of loved them. |
If it's milli vanilli-ed, you'll bet ppl will complain
I think it was a mixture of calling the album Femme Fatale, suggesting a slim, sexy, dangerous woman, and then showing up like an out-of-shape soccer mom at a middle school dance 
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Originally posted by Ozzy8923
If the dancing is like FF, then I rather there be no dancing at all. Just make her look amazing and walk around a bit and no one will complain.
I swear, if she didn't look a mess for the FFT/ promo performances, everyone would of loved them. |
People will always complain when it comes to Britney walking around on stage. We don't want her to just walk around, not unless she broke her hips and has to walk around with a cane on stage
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
If it's milli vanilli-ed, you'll bet ppl will complain
I think it was a mixture of calling the album Femme Fatale, suggesting a slim, sexy, dangerous woman, and then showing up like an out-of-shape soccer mom at a middle school dance |
This too, if she did lip synch and walked around she would be dragged so bad by the media :rip.
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Yeah. I'm telling you and we all know, if Britney is in shape and having that Britney Spears spark, it doesn't matter if she's doing handography or making sure she covers all inches of the 80-foot stage. If you can feel her energy and see her into it, she can win back people in that aspect.
Her body on the Shape magazine is so amazing, and her side profile has been so thin + her booty sticking out further with the arch coming back and less thickness in the arms and legs. This will help in her flexibility, she will feel it and feel more confident.
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Originally posted by Ozzy8923
I agree. This is the first album in 10 years where Britney is at a more stable place. Blackout was released in the midst of her public image being destroyed, her losing custody of her children, a year after a messy divorce with long-term effects that were still present at the time, media headlines that were not flattering at all, and the 2007 VMA's, of course. Add that in to no radio support, and we should be so lucky she still sold well.
Circus was done, as Rico said, to reinvigorate her public image and boost up her profile again. It NEEDED to be done, no doubt about it, so it's not like I regret the record [fact is, I love it!] but it definitely had zero input from Britney. I mean, when it sinks in that she released in less than a YEAR after she was institutionalized, it's ****ing incredible to even think that they finished the album in the first place.
Femme Fatale, well, y'all know how that went down.
This is the first time where I feel like she isn't being pressured. Where she just will do what she wants with her work and promote it accordingly. I'm glad. That's why I REALLY have a good feeling about this album and how it will be received by the fans and critics. |
That's the great thing and something many should start seeing. Recording this album must feel great for her, after all that you've mentioned, plus the mess that preceded the Femme Fatale era. With a great team of producers, plus her citing as her most personal and proof she's writing, I also have the same feeling it'll be something amazingly well received by public.
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
I fully understand what you mean, and album 8 is truly the mos excited I've been for a Britney album. I just hope nothing messes it up. And Oops is her top 5 for sure.
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Well I have a preference of BOMT over Oops!, since they are the same album except more pristine production and vocals on the latter. It just felt like the usual re-do the massively successful debut album niche.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
If it's milli vanilli-ed, you'll bet ppl will complain
I think it was a mixture of calling the album Femme Fatale, suggesting a slim, sexy, dangerous woman, and then showing up like an out-of-shape soccer mom at a middle school dance |
This being the perfect description.
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And while we're on the subject of things we are hoping for, let's hope the 8th album has a less flamboyant name than "Femme Fatale." Britney's fan base is probably at least 30% closeted homos, and ain't none of them going to be caught dead walking into a store asking for an album called "femme fatale" or listening to it on their ipods in public
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
If it's milli vanilli-ed, you'll bet ppl will complain
I think it was a mixture of calling the album Femme Fatale, suggesting a slim, sexy, dangerous woman, and then showing up like an out-of-shape soccer mom at a middle school dance |
Lol
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If Britney can really capitalize on some more urban fans with the success of Scream & Shout, you will probably see a rise in sales now that shes "cool" again.
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Originally posted by Team.B
If Britney can really capitalize on some more urban fans with the success of Scream & Shout, you will probably see a rise in sales now that shes "cool" again.
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I feel like after "Ooh La La," the cool factor was kinda evened out again.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
Child, most of these girls today won't make it to a 7th or 8th album, let alone have the entire music industry hungry for it. Most are already faltering after their debut/second albums. The fact she can compete with the young girls in social media followers and get as much press as them, topping Forbes in terms of female artists, etc. after 15 years in the game is incredible. This is a different time than when Madonna/Janet, and especially the damn Rolling Stones. This entire century is full of fickle buyers and rapidly declining music sales. You have psychotic expectations to think she will just change the industry back to when you could come back from 2 million sellers then jump to 15 million selling album.
It's a blessing that we can have ADELE have a breakout smash or Justin come back to music, otherwise you'd have the No. 1 album of the year selling ~1.5 million or something ridiculous like that. Britney's name and power cannot shift the times. It's too deep in her career for a reinvention, she is solidified to the people and it should not be seen as a failure if she cannot reach 2 million albums in the US, since no one (even the HOTTEST stars of today) else is doing it. Britney in her time of being the best of the best was pushing units like hot cakes. Rihanna, Katy, Gaga, have to either discount heavily or take 2-3 years to reach an admirable amount of album units.
But she can easily win back sales Circus-style if she puts some pep in her step on stage and impress folks that she's worthy of an album purchase. That includes the music being digestible by a general audience, and not geared to folks who buy "I Wanna Go"-type songs via iTunes. But that clearly won't be a problem with the team of producers right now. The rhythmic-sound for Britney always pushes units ("Me Against the Music"/"Toxic", "Gimme More", "Womanizer"/"Circus", etc.). Mix it with stage presence and being alive during interviews, she will wow.
Also Britney loves doing music and performing. As whats-his-face revealed about "Hold It Against Me" choreography, she just doesn't feel comfortable doing the moves most of you dream she could do like she was 19 years old. She will be ****ing 32 years old this year. I don't care if J. Lo can look like she's having a seizure jumping around or if Beyonce has mastered weaveography, they're different women. You guys write it off as lazy, but she's had two children, back to back, a serious mental breakdown -- in front of the entire world. But oh, she better get out there and dance like she did when she was a teenager. Ungrateful people.
Let her try to please those who want that, you'll end up with more broken knees or something worse to top Gaga's hips.
All she needs is the spark like during Circus Tour for me and some modern choreography. Not psychotic "HIAM"-choreo or whoever the **** choreograped the Fat Female Tour with hand/walkography. Very boring, they limited her.
This is just people using the Femme Fatale era as a blueprint of like her entire career or something. That was obviously a rushed affair/misguided and unplanned, literally the ONLY time in her career an era has been so messy. Keep comparing everything to that ONE moment, of course all you have is negative things to say.
Britney won't fail us with 8, I know this.
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What a beautiful post!!! Every time I see her breakdown videos on youtube, I just love her more. And i love the fact that people still talk about her...stans of current pop girls feel threatened or jealous of her.
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Originally posted by Team.B
If Britney can really capitalize on some more urban fans with the success of Scream & Shout, you will probably see a rise in sales now that shes "cool" again.
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Let's be happy that Ooh La La never took off, because if it did there goes that coolness.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
I feel like after "Ooh La La," the cool factor was kinda evened out again.
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lmfao Ooh La La deff was the worst possible song to release after Scream & Shout but it's dropping off radio and hopefully overall the general public doesnt know it even exists.
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