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Originally posted by Ozzy8923
Ugh, she won't outsell ITZ or Britney. By comeback, I assume it's mostly musical comeback and performance comeback. Because album sales have decreased steadily and she simply won't outsell those 2 albums ever again. Unless a miracle happens.
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This ... She will be lucky if she could top Circus sales. Let alone Britney and ITZ
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Originally posted by Ozzy8923
Ugh, she won't outsell ITZ or Britney. By comeback, I assume it's mostly musical comeback and performance comeback. Because album sales have decreased steadily and she simply won't outsell those 2 albums ever again. Unless a miracle happens.
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If P!nk, Justin, Beyonce (her contemporaries) can have great sales in the past 2 years. Why do you diminish the potential that Britney can have? I didn't even list others who have sold upwards of 2 million. Like I said, its her laziness. Britney still has it, she just doesn't use it.
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Originally posted by Reza
nobody put a gun to her head. if she didnt want to she wouldnt have to. She had enough money to pay out her contract with Jive. I think you are asking for too much. Britney wont get much better than what we saw in her circus era.
Personally im fine with that. I accept her with all her flaws. I saw her live in 2011 and had a great time.
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Maybe I'm the only person here who knows she can, I've seen little pieces of Britney performing like her old self in concert videos, and other behind the scenes, videos. I'm asking for so much because she can do so much. What's with people putting her to a lower level.
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
If P!nk, Justin, Beyonce (her contemporaries) can have great sales in the past 2 years. Why do you diminish the potential that Britney can have? I didn't even list others who have sold upwards of 2 million. Like I said, its her laziness. Britney still has it, she just doesn't use it.
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I didn't say that she couldn't match her contemporaries, I just said that she couldn't match ITZ and Britney. She won't see a 3M or 5M seller in the US again. Most of her contemporaries reach 2X Platinum at most, and that is something that I'd hope she can achieve, and there IS a possibility of that happening. But upwards of 3M is just a no. Unless she does some elaborate re-release or bundle of some kind.
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I think it's not a good idea to re-release albums.
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Child, most of these girls today won't make it to a 7th or 8th album, let alone have the entire music industry hungry for it. Most are already faltering after their debut/second albums. The fact she can compete with the young girls in social media followers and get as much press as them, topping Forbes in terms of female artists, etc. after 15 years in the game is incredible. This is a different time than when Madonna/Janet, and especially the damn Rolling Stones. This entire century is full of fickle buyers and rapidly declining music sales. You have psychotic expectations to think she will just change the industry back to when you could come back from 2 million sellers then jump to 15 million selling album.
It's a blessing that we can have ADELE have a breakout smash or Justin come back to music, otherwise you'd have the No. 1 album of the year selling ~1.5 million or something ridiculous like that. Britney's name and power cannot shift the times. It's too deep in her career for a reinvention, she is solidified to the people and it should not be seen as a failure if she cannot reach 2 million albums in the US, since no one (even the HOTTEST stars of today) else is doing it. Britney in her time of being the best of the best was pushing units like hot cakes. Rihanna, Katy, Gaga, have to either discount heavily or take 2-3 years to reach an admirable amount of album units.
But she can easily win back sales Circus-style if she puts some pep in her step on stage and impress folks that she's worthy of an album purchase. That includes the music being digestible by a general audience, and not geared to folks who buy "I Wanna Go"-type songs via iTunes. But that clearly won't be a problem with the team of producers right now. The rhythmic-sound for Britney always pushes units ("Me Against the Music"/"Toxic", "Gimme More", "Womanizer"/"Circus", etc.). Mix it with stage presence and being alive during interviews, she will wow.
Also Britney loves doing music and performing. As whats-his-face revealed about "Hold It Against Me" choreography, she just doesn't feel comfortable doing the moves most of you dream she could do like she was 19 years old. She will be ****ing 32 years old this year. I don't care if J. Lo can look like she's having a seizure jumping around or if Beyonce has mastered weaveography, they're different women. You guys write it off as lazy, but she's had two children, back to back, a serious mental breakdown -- in front of the entire world. But oh, she better get out there and dance like she did when she was a teenager. Ungrateful people.
Let her try to please those who want that, you'll end up with more broken knees or something worse to top Gaga's hips.
All she needs is the spark like during Circus Tour for me and some modern choreography. Not psychotic "HIAM"-choreo or whoever the **** choreograped the Fat Female Tour with hand/walkography. Very boring, they limited her.
This is just people using the Femme Fatale era as a blueprint of like her entire career or something. That was obviously a rushed affair/misguided and unplanned, literally the ONLY time in her career an era has been so messy. Keep comparing everything to that ONE moment, of course all you have is negative things to say.
Britney won't fail us with 8, I know this.
Sorry for the rant.
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
She just can't have a flop album until her 10.
I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. When I was looking for album The Rolling Stones and Elvis including a few other had "flop" 7th album, but they did have subsequent hit albums. That's all she needs an album that can sell over 2x platinum years into her career. People like to compare Britney to Madonna and Janet, but they had major hit release during their 7th era. Like I said Britney's laziness will ruin her career, she's still a new artist in the big picture.
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Erotica, Madonna's 5th album, was considered a pretty big flop for the time. Debuting at number 2 and only selling 2 million copies, after Like a Virgin and the Immaculate Collection (which sold bucket loads). And it was a critical flop too for the time.
And Janet's first few albums were flops.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
Child, most of these girls today won't make it to a 7th or 8th album, let alone have the entire music industry hungry for it. Most are already faltering after their debut/second albums. The fact she can compete with the young girls in social media followers and get as much press as them, topping Forbes in terms of female artists, etc. after 15 years in the game is incredible. This is a different time than when Madonna/Janet, and especially the damn Rolling Stones. This entire century is full of fickle buyers and rapidly declining music sales. You have psychotic expectations to think she will just change the industry back to when you could come back from 2 million sellers then jump to 15 million selling album.
It's a blessing that we can have ADELE have a breakout smash or Justin come back to music, otherwise you'd have the No. 1 album of the year selling ~1.5 million or something ridiculous like that. Britney's name and power cannot shift the times. It's too deep in her career for a reinvention, she is solidified to the people and it should not be seen as a failure if she cannot reach 2 million albums in the US, since no one (even the HOTTEST stars of today) else is doing it. Britney in her time of being the best of the best was pushing units like hot cakes. Rihanna, Katy, Gaga, have to either discount heavily or take 2-3 years to reach an admirable amount of album units.
But she can easily win back sales Circus-style if she puts some pep in her step on stage and impress folks that she's worthy of an album purchase. That includes the music being digestible by a general audience, and not geared to folks who buy "I Wanna Go"-type songs via iTunes. But that clearly won't be a problem with the team of producers right now. The rhythmic-sound for Britney always pushes units ("Me Against the Music"/"Toxic", "Gimme More", "Womanizer"/"Circus", etc.). Mix it with stage presence and being alive during interviews, she will wow.
Also Britney loves doing music and performing. As whats-his-face revealed about "Hold It Against Me" choreography, she just doesn't feel comfortable doing the moves most of you dream she could do like she was 19 years old. She will be ****ing 32 years old this year. I don't care if J. Lo can look like she's having a seizure jumping around or if Beyonce has mastered weaveography, they're different women. You guys write it off as lazy, but she's had two children, back to back, a serious mental breakdown -- in front of the entire world. But oh, she better get out there and dance like she did when she was a teenager. Ungrateful people.
Let her try to please those who want that, you'll end up with more broken knees or something worse to top Gaga's hips.
All she needs is the spark like during Circus Tour for me and some modern choreography. Not psychotic "HIAM"-choreo or whoever the **** choreograped the Fat Female Tour with hand/walkography. Very boring, they limited her.
This is just people using the Femme Fatale era as a blueprint of like her entire career or something. That was obviously a rushed affair/misguided and unplanned, literally the ONLY time in her career an era has been so messy. Keep comparing everything to that ONE moment, of course all you have is negative things to say.
Britney won't fail us with 8, I know this.
Sorry for the rant.
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Circus and 2008 was unique. Britney was literally still the hottest pop star and the biggest tabloid figure. Now, she's neither. She's releasing in the middle of Gaga, Katy, Beyonce, Justin, and Mariah. Gaga and Katy steal more headlines than her now. Beyonce and Justin are about equal, if not a little better. And Mariah is probably on par with her.
It will be tough to stand out.
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I just saw the list of 20 successful 7th albums... majority rock and roll / hip-hop acts (fans who will always buy their albums; spend hundreds on their tours). A good half are from the 80s-90s when sales were good (some even reaching back into the 60s/70s). And that Eagles album is only 7x Platinum because its a double disc, it didn't sell 7 million copies. They'd also been on hiatus for like since 1979, their fans were hungry as ****. And then Michael's "Bad"? Coming off "Thriller" his follow-up had to be successful. And funnily enough, those sales were seen as atrocious for him.
It's literally illogical to compare Britney to the people on that list. Even if she was in tip top shape and delivered the perfect era, she still couldn't move those type of numbers in 2011-12. That was an "i spit on haters." type of post, just to make Britney look bad. Not for sake of truly backing up the argument at hand.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Circus and 2008 was unique. Britney was literally still the hottest pop star and the biggest tabloid figure. Now, she's neither. She's releasing in the middle of Gaga, Katy, Beyonce, Justin, and Mariah. Gaga and Katy steal more headlines than her now. Beyonce and Justin are about equal, if not a little better. And Mariah is probably on par with her.
It will be tough to stand out.
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She might not be the hottest or most talked about, but she has shown herself to still be competitive in the pop field with these people. She and Beyonce are among the top ten best-selling digital artists, along with Eminem, which shows something about her/their longevity. She was right up there with Katy/Gaga in top played artists on radio in 2011. Hell, she did better than Gaga who like Britney relies mainly on Top 40 to spin her.
She doesn't really need the status anymore, since she is Britney Spears. She already has the industry on her side, a Top 40 programmer calling her a pop staple, in 2013. If she proves herself on stage and release music that has some life in it, she can also win back the public without necessarily competing in the spotlight.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
Child, most of these girls today won't make it to a 7th or 8th album, let alone have the entire music industry hungry for it. Most are already faltering after their debut/second albums. The fact she can compete with the young girls in social media followers and get as much press as them, topping Forbes in terms of female artists, etc. after 15 years in the game is incredible. This is a different time than when Madonna/Janet, and especially the damn Rolling Stones. This entire century is full of fickle buyers and rapidly declining music sales. You have psychotic expectations to think she will just change the industry back to when you could come back from 2 million sellers then jump to 15 million selling album.
It's a blessing that we can have ADELE have a breakout smash or Justin come back to music, otherwise you'd have the No. 1 album of the year selling ~1.5 million or something ridiculous like that. Britney's name and power cannot shift the times. It's too deep in her career for a reinvention, she is solidified to the people and it should not be seen as a failure if she cannot reach 2 million albums in the US, since no one (even the HOTTEST stars of today) else is doing it. Britney in her time of being the best of the best was pushing units like hot cakes. Rihanna, Katy, Gaga, have to either discount heavily or take 2-3 years to reach an admirable amount of album units.
But she can easily win back sales Circus-style if she puts some pep in her step on stage and impress folks that she's worthy of an album purchase. That includes the music being digestible by a general audience, and not geared to folks who buy "I Wanna Go"-type songs via iTunes. But that clearly won't be a problem with the team of producers right now. The rhythmic-sound for Britney always pushes units ("Me Against the Music"/"Toxic", "Gimme More", "Womanizer"/"Circus", etc.). Mix it with stage presence and being alive during interviews, she will wow.
Also Britney loves doing music and performing. As whats-his-face revealed about "Hold It Against Me" choreography, she just doesn't feel comfortable doing the moves most of you dream she could do like she was 19 years old. She will be ****ing 32 years old this year. I don't care if J. Lo can look like she's having a seizure jumping around or if Beyonce has mastered weaveography, they're different women. You guys write it off as lazy, but she's had two children, back to back, a serious mental breakdown -- in front of the entire world. But oh, she better get out there and dance like she did when she was a teenager. Ungrateful people.
Let her try to please those who want that, you'll end up with more broken knees or something worse to top Gaga's hips.
All she needs is the spark like during Circus Tour for me and some modern choreography. Not psychotic "HIAM"-choreo or whoever the **** choreograped the Fat Female Tour with hand/walkography. Very boring, they limited her.
This is just people using the Femme Fatale era as a blueprint of like her entire career or something. That was obviously a rushed affair/misguided and unplanned, literally the ONLY time in her career an era has been so messy. Keep comparing everything to that ONE moment, of course all you have is negative things to say.
Britney won't fail us with 8, I know this.
Sorry for the rant.
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Its not a rant its a discussion, that's why were here.
The reason why I stated those albums because a member asked me to name 20 successful 7th albums, I didn't even mention the Stones. A re-invention does not mean going country, it can mean doing something unexpected but in her bounds. Like how she re-invented herself after her first two releases, or when she did Blackout. That's a re-invention. Would you have expected Britney to release Toxic when she first debuted? No. Artists do re-invent, that's how they stay relevant. I can't think of one artist who did not do something different and is still around today. )even way deep in their career).
Do you think hardcore dancing means a great performance? No it does not. Looking like you want it, like you're having fun, not being nervous, and being spontaneous is a good performance. Anyway, I have seen Britney have that old spark from her old days in her FF tour, but they were few and far between. Yeah I may be naive, but I know its there.
Anyway, what i said still stands. Britney is 15 years in her career, but she can't be lazy now.
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Erotica, Madonna's 5th album, was considered a pretty big flop for the time. Debuting at number 2 and only selling 2 million copies, after Like a Virgin and the Immaculate Collection (which sold bucket loads). And it was a critical flop too for the time.
And Janet's first few albums were flops.
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I was referring to 7th albums as mentioned by Dinorel. Regardless, Erotica flopped because Madonna went too far. Which is why she softening her image with Bedtime Stories and Ray of Light.
Janet's first two releases flopped because she was managed by her father, hence why Control was released because she was talking control from him and doing the music she wanted. Which is why it was such a hit.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
She might not be the hottest or most talked about, but she has shown herself to still be competitive in the pop field with these people. She and Beyonce are among the top ten best-selling digital artists, along with Eminem, which shows something about her/their longevity. She was right up there with Katy/Gaga in top played artists on radio in 2011. Hell, she did better than Gaga who like Britney relies mainly on Top 40 to spin her.
She doesn't really need the status anymore, since she is Britney Spears. She already has the industry on her side, a Top 40 programmer calling her a pop staple, in 2013. If she proves herself on stage and release music that has some life in it, she can also win back the public without necessarily competing in the spotlight.
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Idk. With Britney and her team so eager to keep her image squeaky clean and house-wifey, I'm not sure how long she can continue to compete. 2011 radio is not really a good indicator imo--it seems like Britney had to go out of her way ("I Heart Radio" Wango Tango, etc) to get spin that ended up being less than the peaks for artists like Katy, Rihanna, etc.
I don't know how she'll do with this era, but hopefully the interest doesn't continue to go down, and we look at FF as her Damita Jo (minus the controversy).
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Its not a rant its a discussion, that's why were here.
The reason why I stated those albums because a member asked me to name 20 successful 7th albums, I didn't even mention the Stones. A re-invention does not mean going country, it can mean doing something unexpected but in her bounds. Like how she re-invented herself after her first two releases, or when she did Blackout. That's a re-invention. Would you have expected Britney to release Toxic when she first debuted? No. Artists do re-invent, that's how they stay relevant. I can't think of one artist who did not do something different and is still around today. )even way deep in their career).
Do you think hardcore dancing means a great performance? No it does not. Looking like you want it, like you're having fun, not being nervous, and being spontaneous is a good performance. Anyway, I have seen Britney have that old spark from her old days in her FF tour, but they were few and far between. Yeah I may be naive, but I know its there.
Anyway, what i said still stands. Britney is 15 years in her career, but she can't be lazy now.
I was referring to 7th albums as mentioned by Dinorel. Regardless, Erotica flopped because Madonna went too far. Which is why she softening her image with Bedtime Stories and Ray of Light.
Janet's first two releases flopped because she was managed by her father, hence why Control was released because she was talking control from him and doing the music she wanted. Which is why it was such a hit.
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Welp, fingers crossed that this coming era isn't Britney's 'Damita Jo'
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Its not a rant its a discussion, that's why were here.
The reason why I stated those albums because a member asked me to name 20 successful 7th albums, I didn't even mention the Stones. A re-invention does not mean going country, it can mean doing something unexpected but in her bounds. Like how she re-invented herself after her first two releases, or when she did Blackout. That's a re-invention. Would you have expected Britney to release Toxic when she first debuted? No. Artists do re-invent, that's how they stay relevant. I can't think of one artist who did not do something different and is still around today. )even way deep in their career).
Do you think hardcore dancing means a great performance? No it does not. Looking like you want it, like you're having fun, not being nervous, and being spontaneous is a good performance. Anyway, I have seen Britney have that old spark from her old days in her FF tour, but they were few and far between. Yeah I may be naive, but I know its there.
Anyway, what i said still stands. Britney is 15 years in her career, but she can't be lazy now.
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You mentioned The Stones alongside Elvis in another post. That was my reference point.
Anyway, I know what a reinvention is, especially within her own career, been literally for her since day one and defending her on this site for the past 7. And I know that hardcore dancing isn't required for a great performance (as I mentioned in my post). As far as the reinvention standpoint, based on your examples, she's always done that. Britney. In The Zone. Blackout. Circus. and yes, even Femme Fatale. were reinvented Britneys. The latter two are not as obvious, I know but she didn't repeat herself with those albums either. Unless you're thinking way above the surface. That's why I skipped on to thinking you meant reinventing her public image, because in her music, to me, since her first two albums she's always been shifting. So I didn't think you were talking about reinvention within her music, especially based on the current news of the 8th album she is doing it yet again, so.
This all goes back to a post of mine maybe a couple of months ago, and the long one above lol. A lot of you keep referencing the last era like she is forever deemed to be that way. I won't repeat myself, but Femme Fatale was clearly not handled well from the sudden Dr. Luke change to the rush release of "HIAM" to the album not even having a name two months before it came out, to the name popping up out of nowhere and becoming the tour name + the "apocalyptic" theme, the late video premiere of "HIAM", her being out of shape and sick in the era and literally no kind of plans to continuing the hype from the premiere.... the tour being rushed out two months after the unhyped album, Enrique dropping out moments after being announced a tour opener... it was ALL a mess and should not be seen as how things will be from this on out.
Brit probably felt disinterested in the whole thing once things started changing from what was apparently originally planned before Luke and company dropped in. Don't blame her, but she was professional to get it out and go on tour for the fans and such. She is obviously MUCH more excited about this album.
She is only "lazy" in terms of that she lacked stage presence a lot in the last tour, but she was obviously not like during Circus. So you have to see all the differences in that era versus Fat Female and then see how things are going so far with 8th album. She'll never be "lazy" in terms of working though. You're not lazy to perform 90-100 minute shows hundreds of times a year in just a few months. That'd be a Rihanna type situation, her canceling and delaying ****.
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As far as the reinvention standpoint, based on your examples, she's always done that. Britney. In The Zone. Blackout. Circus. and yes, even Femme Fatale. were reinvented Britneys.
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^ Femme Fatale was the only era where it seemed like she lost control of trends and began reinventing herself to follow them.
Hold It Against Me, between choosing Bad Romance's Director, and trying to insert deeper meanings into a music video, seemed like she was trying to mirror Gaga. The backfire probably made them rethink the rest of the era.
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Rico's posts always make me feel confident again.
Just felt like saying that.
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You mentioned The Stones alongside Elvis in another post. That was my reference point.
Anyway, I know what a reinvention is, especially within her own career, been literally for her since day one and defending her on this site for the past 7. And I know that hardcore dancing isn't required for a great performance (as I mentioned in my post). As far as the reinvention standpoint, based on your examples, she's always done that. Britney. In The Zone. Blackout. Circus. and yes, even Femme Fatale. were reinvented Britneys. The latter two are not as obvious, I know but she didn't repeat herself with those albums either. Unless you're thinking way above the surface. That's why I skipped on to thinking you meant reinventing her public image, because in her music, to me, since her first two albums she's always been shifting. So I didn't think you were talking about reinvention within her music, especially based on the current news of the 8th album she is doing it yet again, so.
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I said Elvis and the Stones had a flop 7th album, which is why I said all she needs to do is top them critically or commercially like they did much farther in their careers. Circus and Ff weren't creatively reinvented like ITZ or Blackout. Circus was about fixing her public image, but no one will say Circus and FF are her two best albums. They had stand outs but they aren't her best.
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Britney will do fine! As long as she makes the music she wants to make and as long as she's happy, I wouldn't be too concerned. As far as she's made it, she really doesn't have to prove as much as most of the others do.
That doesn't mean that she should be complacent, but... You know, this record doesn't have to be a stressful one.
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^ Femme Fatale was the only era where it seemed like she lost control of trends and began reinventing herself to follow them.
Hold It Against Me, between choosing Bad Romance's Director, and trying to insert deeper meanings into a music video, seemed like she was trying to mirror Gaga. The backfire probably made them rethink the rest of the era.
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Britney was the first to use dubstep in 07 and the first to release it in a commercially successful single ala HIAM. Musically she wasn't following trends, since she helped create them since Toxic. But the video for HIAM I can see where you get the idea from.
I don't remember a backfire, but that may be because I didn't follow Britney like that because I didn't know about these forums.
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