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News: 76 dead after truck attack in France
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I hope more checkpoints will be added now especially near big masses of people. Apparently, he had bombs and weapons inside the truck as well, is that true? If there was this much security enforced how did he manage to go through with his plan with all the weapons and so on without ever being noticed? I know the policemen aren't superheroes but... (If it's true)
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Such a terrible world we live in.
RIP to all the victims.
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Originally posted by *-ChriZ-*
To the religion-debate:
People need to start asking themselves why we don't see Chinese or Japanese people bombing themselves or driving trucks into masses of people. They also believe in their God/Gods, yet they stay rather peaceful even tho they are so overcrowded.
There is something inherently going wrong in the teaching of Islam (at least lately). Maybe it has to do with education, maybe with surpression, etc.. I rly have no clue, but one cannot neglect the fact that lately, most terrorist attacks have been performed by people who practise Islam.
Again, I have lots of friends who are moslem, so I would never generalize in this aspect.
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Terrorism exists in many contexts. Its motives and perpetrators have varied and shifted over the past 100 years, and Islamic terrorism is actually only a recent phenomenon. In fact, the last century was replete with terrorism perpetrated mostly by non-Islamic governments and ideological groups. In early 20th century various radical Russian communist groups engaged in terror, whilst the mid 20th century saw various radical left wing and right-wing terrorist groups around Europe, Asia and Latin America. Mao Zedong's regime is considered to be the worst example of state terrorism in history. Japan also had its fair share of terrorists in the 1970s (the Japanese Red Army). It is arguable that in recent decades, the majority of terrorist activity both in quantity and magnitude occurs within a Muslim context but this is actually just a small fry compared to the wide-scale non-Islamic terrorism of the 20th century. Nations are susceptible to spawning terrorist groups when they are at the state of disenfranchisement or political instability.
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Originally posted by fabbriche
Terrorism exists in many contexts. Its motives and perpetrators have varied and shifted over the past 100 years, and Islamic terrorism is actually only a recent phenomenon. In fact, the last century was replete with terrorism perpetrated mostly by non-Islamic governments and ideological groups. In early 20th century various radical Russian communist groups engaged in terror, whilst the mid 20th century saw various radical left wing and right-wing terrorist groups around Europe, Asia and Latin America. Mao Zedong's regime is considered to be the worst example of state terrorism in history. Japan also had its fair share of terrorists in the 1970s (the Japanese Red Army). It is arguable that in recent decades, the majority of terrorist activity both in quantity and magnitude occurs within a Muslim context but this is actually just a small fry compared to the wide-scale non-Islamic terrorism of the 20th century. Nations are susceptible to spawning terrorist groups when they are at the state of disenfranchisement or political instability.
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Yes, I am aware of these instances, but neither Russians, nor Japanese or Chinese terrorists have claimed to fight in the name of a particular religion.
On top of this, all of them were organized attacks, whereas with the most recent attacks, it seems way more random and hence more dangerous.
Furthermore, these attacks occur on a global scale and are not bound to geographical limitations where one could just say "ok guys, let's leave and we are safe".
Why? Because of the religious impact. Religion, in this case the Islam and its great influence on so many lives, has become a threat to many people around the world, because radicals have started to claim it and use it as a tool to manipulate masses around the globe.
It's quite different from the terror you described.
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Originally posted by Paul McCartney
what do you mean, since when is police checking cars for no reason?
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Well in my country there's security which checks cars before entering a parking lot or big events, I think every country should do that
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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84 deaths, title needs to be changed.
So many children too. Still can't believe it.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by *-ChriZ-*
To the religion-debate:
People need to start asking themselves why we don't see Chinese or Japanese people bombing themselves or driving trucks into masses of people. They also believe in their God/Gods, yet they stay rather peaceful even tho they are so overcrowded.
There is something inherently going wrong in the teaching of Islam (at least lately). Maybe it has to do with education, maybe with surpression, etc.. I rly have no clue, but one cannot neglect the fact that lately, most terrorist attacks have been performed by people who practise Islam.
Again, I have lots of friends who are moslem, so I would never generalize in this aspect.
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They stay peaceful because they don't really have a reason to hate the west.
the west is here to blame, not relgion.
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Originally posted by Wotamin
Well in my country there's security which checks cars before entering a parking lot or big events, I think every country should do that
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**Especially now** with the recent climate
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It's nice to know that you want me "eradicated", Thanks.
Like have some empathy with the victims and their loved ones. This ain't the time and the place. Over 70 people are already dead, ffs!
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See this is precisely why things like yesterday's attack happen in this day and age... Where did I say I want all muslims eradicated? Any sane person would know the difference between the actual human being and theology they choose to believe. Religion should be eradicated. It's flawed, it's gruesome and it gives people power. YOUR religion is flawed, your religion is make-believe, your religion is something you choose to accept and you can freely choose not to and this is where the problem lies. Muslim people don't view religion as something they've acquired, they're the religion. This is why when someone offends your 'god' or 'prophet' you take it to heart. It's so beaten into your heads that you have to defend your religion whenever it's being criticized (validly so, cause it's a hateful religion), even by means of terrorism/violence/etc. Your god doesn't exist, there is nothing there, you choose to believe there's something after death. Gay people do exist. Non muslims do exist, women do exist yet islam treats them like crap. And this is no attack on your religion only, this is aimed at all religions worldwide, the only difference is that while some religious extremists of a certain religion spend their days fighting off pokemon gyms on pokemon go with their jigglypuff other extremist of a certain religion drive a truck in a group of kids killing 73 of them. (I'll take my WPS gladly)
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Originally posted by *-ChriZ-*
Yes, I am aware of these instances, but neither Russians, nor Japanese or Chinese terrorists have claimed to fight in the name of a particular religion.
On top of this, all of them were organized attacks, whereas with the most recent attacks, it seems way more random and hence more dangerous.
Furthermore, these attacks occur on a global scale and are not bound to geographical limitations where one could just say "ok guys, let's leave and we are safe".
Why? Because of the religious impact. Religion, in this case the Islam and its great influence on so many lives, has become a threat to many people around the world, because radicals have started to claim it and use it as a tool to manipulate masses around the globe.
It's quite different from the terror you described.
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Communism/Nazism and the radical Islamist vision of the Islamic terrorists are both ideologies that seek to re-order the entire world from the top down by using the force of unrestrained government to tell people how they must live. They have used almost the same method, tactic and arguments (shooting, bombing, hijacking, assassination so on and so forth). They're hardly any different in that regard. Also, it's not true that Islamic terrorism is more dangerous than state terrorism. As far as I know, the death tolls from Islamic terrorism haven't reached to one million yet compared to the systematic government-sponsored terrorist acts and purging which have claimed millions and millions of lives. The Russians, Chinese, Japanese were fighting in the name of their secular/nationalist ideologies instead and it's far more dangerous than any extreme religious ideology. One source estimates that "Nearly 170 million people have been murdered by governments in the 20th century; over four-times those killed in combat in all international and domestic wars during the same years."
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evil never ends.this is so horrible.RIP to all the victims
so many of them are so young
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The area where he was going was closed and apparently they let him because he said he has ice-cream he has to deliver quickly.
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As sad is this event is, France should have known better than to let in uncontrolled numbers of refugees. All the attacks we have been seeing is the result of Islamic terrorists taking advantage of the EU's open border policy.
I certainly wish the best for France's future, but they need to do something about the invaders turning their country into a dangerous place.
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This could have been a major security failure. The ice cream delivery thing is true, and he was allowed to keep the truck where it was until he did the attack. Someone pointed out that
1) why didn't they check his paperwork (maybe he faked it, who knows)
2) why didn't they search the truck, they should have been allowed to do this if they were suspicious given France is in a state of emergency
3) The truck he had didn't even seem to have a refrigeration unit to stop the ice cream from melting. The truck shouldn't have been allowed to be there at all.
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Originally posted by *-ChriZ-*
People need to start asking themselves why we don't see Chinese or Japanese people bombing themselves or driving trucks into masses of people. They also believe in their God/Gods, yet they t.
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Japan is the most secular nation on earth - and those who are religious, are Buddhist. There is no God in Buddhism.
China is also overwhelmingly Buddhist. Only one school of Buddhism in China, Pure Land, have a God.
So, no - that isn't true.
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Originally posted by Xtinafan 99
As sad is this event is, France should have known better than to let in uncontrolled numbers of refugees. All the attacks we have been seeing is the result of Islamic terrorists taking advantage of the EU's open border policy.
I certainly wish the best for France's future, but they need to do something about the invaders turning their country into a dangerous place.
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This has nothing to do with refugees. The man was a French man with a Tunisian background. Tunisia is a relatively safe democratic country right now, with some ISIS activity only down south.
Most terrorist attacks in Europe (in fact, I think all!) have been caused by homegrown terrorism. Nothing to do with refugees, and for people trying to spread that narrative - it is sickening.
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Originally posted by Jacketh
This has nothing to do with refugees. The man was a French man with a Tunisian background. Tunisia is a relatively safe democratic country right now, with some ISIS activity only down south.
Most terrorist attacks in Europe (in fact, I think all!) have been caused by homegrown terrorism. Nothing to do with refugees, and for people trying to spread that narrative - it is sickening.
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Even if they weren't refugees, it's only matter of time before ISIS tries to take advantage of the situation (and they likely have already).
And if even Tunisia is relatively safe right now, it isn't a good idea to let things escalate to the point that we are seeing terrorist attacks there on a regular basis.
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Originally posted by Xtinafan 99
Even if they weren't refugees, it's only matter of time before ISIS tries to take advantage of the situation (and they likely have already).
And if even Tunisia is relatively safe right now, it isn't a good idea to let things escalate to the point that we are seeing terrorist attacks there on a regular basis.
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You and others can keep saying "its a matter of time", but it still doesn't do away with the fact every terrorist attack in recent memory has been homegrown terrorism.
Germany welcomed 1 million refugees, quite a while ago now actually. Nothing has happened yet. And even if something was to happen, I wouldn't judge one or two's actions and apply them to the other 999,999 people.
Drop the narrative linking anything to refugees unless there is some evidence. It's not welcome and only makes people more angry towards them.
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Simon Coates, a British lawyer on holiday in Nice, was cycling along the promenade with his wife back to their apartment after the fireworks when the lorry sped past them into the crowds. In the chaos he was separated from his wife.
"I turned round and followed the path the lorry took checking the people killed to see if she was one of them," he told the BBC. "I had to check every body and they were so disfigured the only reliable way I could check was to look for her bike and her shoes as most people were not recognisable."
"People were disembowelled, stripped naked of their clothes, mothers sprawled on the floor next to their dead children; one person was wrapped up like a Swiss roll with his arms and legs sticking out from his body which was folded back on itself," he said.
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This description is horrific
How can someone cause so much carnage with just a truck, it's terrifying...
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1 sniffer dog could have saved the lives of 84.
Also why there were no armed police officers nearby is unacceptable. 1 bullet to the front tyre would have stopped the truck.
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