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Discussion: What's your stance on...? #46: Organ Donation
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No offence, but do you know what the word evidence means? 
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And I agree with you, but that doesn't mean it's right.
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Umm... do you really think Turkey is going to let that happen? Turkey will fight the Kurds to the death for those resources. And Turkey (who has one of the largest armies in the European Union) is a force to be reckoned with.
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First of all, Turkey is not in the European Union. They have been trying for a long time and they have yet to be accepted, so they better damn well be on their best behavior for the time being. Starting a third Gulf War is really not going to help their cause.
Second of all, Turkey may want those resources, but they're not going to get them. Do you think southern Iraq is going sit idly by and let the lifeblood of their country get taken away? And what about the rest of the world? Turkey is really unpopular with many other nations, especially in the immediate surrounding area. They are not simply going to let Turkey take over another country. I think the US, as well, would want the oil to stay in a country like Iraq, where they already have their fingers in the pie.
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
The point is, we actually couldn't have come from 'Adam & Eve' if we are descended from 2 different...sub-species of human.
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Why not? We might have discovered that humans originate in different areas but whose to say that there weren't human species before them. Adam and Eve most likely were from the Middle East which means there children would have migrated into Northern Africa (Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Possibly Sudan, Chad... etc.) and South Eastern Europe (Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, Albania, Bulgaria, Serbia, etc....)???
Please enlighten me oh great poll poker... 
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Why not? We might have discovered that humans originate in different areas but whose to say that there weren't human species before them. Adam and Eve most likely were from the Middle East which means there children would have migrated into Northern Africa (Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Possibly Sudan, Chad... etc.) and South Eastern Europe (Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, Albania, Bulgaria, Serbia, etc....)???
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First of all every European is descended from a group of six women, none of whom are Eve. That is proven, not up for debate and they were not from the middle east.
Second of all if God did create Adam & Eve in the middle east way before people migrated, then they would not be what we today know as humans. Plus wasn't the source of life supposed to be Africa, the 'cradle of life'?
And last of all, lets say you are right, Adam & Eve were full on humans, placed down here in their little garden with the talking snake, are you saying their daughters and sons procreated? Because if God doesn't like homosexuality then there should damn well be some sort of 'Thy shall not **** your sister' rule.
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
Both, in fact all wars, are unjustified in ways.
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A nice thought, isn't it? In theory, I'm definitely a pacifist as well. But it's just not realistic. What about in the 1940s, when Hitler taking over Europe and killing over 12 million in the Holocaust? Was fighting back against him unjustified? Or how about something like the American Revolution, when the citizens of a country are fighting for freedom for tyranny?
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A nice thought, isn't it? In theory, I'm definitely a pacifist as well. But it's just not realistic. What about in the 1940s, when Hitler taking over Europe and killing over 12 million in the Holocaust? Was fighting back against him unjustified? Or how about something like the American Revolution, when the citizens of a country are fighting for freedom for tyranny?
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Hitler shouldn't have come to power in the first place, the superpowers of the day knew damn well what was going on but decided not to intervene until it started to hassle them specifically. Sure America didn't even join in until the last sprint.
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It's not a theory, it's a fact 
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It's not a theory, it's a fact |
the Evolutionary Theory
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the Evolutionary Theory
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The Theory of Evolution
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Originally posted by supaspaz
First of all, Turkey is not in the European Union. They have been trying for a long time and they have yet to be accepted, so they better damn well be on their best behavior for the time being. Starting a third Gulf War is really not going to help their cause.
Second of all, Turkey may want those resources, but they're not going to get them. Do you think southern Iraq is going sit idly by and let the lifeblood of their country get taken away? And what about the rest of the world? Turkey is really unpopular with many other nations, especially in the immediate surrounding area. They are not simply going to let Turkey take over another country. I think the US, as well, would want the oil to stay in a country like Iraq, where they already have their fingers in the pie.
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Finally you comment ;yay:
Yeah I got it mixed up with Council of Europe
And  at Turkey is unpopular with other nations..... Turkey and Iran have been talking about a possible alliance... And if you are forgetting Turkey and Iran both have the ability to obtain Nuclear Power. I don't think southern Iraqi soldiers could do anything against a nearly modernized nation such as Turkey.... please
It doesn't really matter what the US wants at this point.... we are in extreme debt, our economy is dead, and war is unpopular. The US couldn't stop Turkey even if we wanted to (Maybe 6 or 7 years ago but today?? no.)
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The Theory of Evolution
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Simple.
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You're arguing a different point. Creationism and the evolution theory are not opposing binaries. Darwin himself was a Christian and had to reconcile his discoveries with his faith. If you want to believe that God created the world, you can still believe that we all evolved once we got here. And you should. Because we did. It has been scientifically proven that animals adapt and evolve. What is up for debate is how the universe began in the first place. Was it God? The Big Bang? Something else entirely? We don't know, nor do we have any way of proving it. It's there than you can either accept the faith of religion or the theories of science. But please don't act like evolution is some ridiculous idea to be fought against.
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If you are going to correct someone's post, correct it...the correct way 
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Originally posted by supaspaz
You're arguing a different point. Creationism and the evolution theory are not opposing binaries. Darwin himself was a Christian and had to reconcile his discoveries with his faith. If you want to believe that God created the world, you can still believe that we all evolved once we got here. And you should. Because we did. It has been scientifically proven that animals adapt and evolve. What is up for debate is how the universe began in the first place. Was it God? The Big Bang? Something else entirely? We don't know, nor do we have any way of proving it. It's there than you can either accept the faith of religion or the theories of science. But please don't act like evolution is some ridiculous idea to be fought against.
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You are so smart 
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
First of all every European is descended from a group of six women, none of whom are Eve. That is proven, not up for debate and they were not from the middle east.
Second of all if God did create Adam & Eve in the middle east way before people migrated, then they would not be what we today know as humans. Plus wasn't the source of life supposed to be Africa, the 'cradle of life'?
And last of all, lets say you are right, Adam & Eve were full on humans, placed down here in their little garden with the talking snake, are you saying their daughters and sons procreated? Because if God doesn't like homosexuality then there should damn well be some sort of 'Thy shall not **** your sister' rule.
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wow.... 
1) I have never heard about that ever... and I would love to see who proved that theory.
2) No. The Middle East is the cradle of life.... wow.... Sumeria anyone??
3) Homosexuality cannot create a life so that wouldn't even be an option. Why would they want to have sex with the same gender.... there would be no purpose
Poll Poker??
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Sorry I was thinking of Deism, which is the belief of a god, but not any specific form of organized religion
So all of what the Bible and Christianity says is irrelevant because it is unorganized religion, and they do believe in a god. So as I will state again, who is to say that god did not make similar looking creatures
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but Deism is the belief that god created everything and doesn't intervene afterwards, which would explain events like the Holocaust.
I'm Agnostic, too.
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Originally posted by supaspaz
You're arguing a different point. Creationism and the evolution theory are not opposing binaries. Darwin himself was a Christian and had to reconcile his discoveries with his faith. If you want to believe that God created the world, you can still believe that we all evolved once we got here. And you should. Because we did. It has been scientifically proven that animals adapt and evolve. What is up for debate is how the universe began in the first place. Was it God? The Big Bang? Something else entirely? We don't know, nor do we have any way of proving it. It's there than you can either accept the faith of religion or the theories of science. But please don't act like evolution is some ridiculous idea to be fought against.
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I know.
1) God Created Life.
2) Life Evolved.
3) We Live Today.
2) Is where the real debate is.... how did life evolve?? I would say god created various creatures and they have all evolved to create their modern forms that exist today.
2nd Poll Poker??
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3) Homosexuality cannot create a life so that wouldn't even be an option. Why would they want to have sex with the same gender.... there would be no purpose |
Yes because no life created is so much worse than inter-breeding which can and often does lead to mutated and...mentally handicapped kids. They would have died out fairly quickly or remained primitive. There had to be a bigger breeding pool than 2 people and their kids.
Homosexuality - legal because it harms no-one.
Incest (marrying your cousin, screwing your sister) - Generally illegal because it DOES harm people.
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And at Turkey is unpopular with other nations..... Turkey and Iran have been talking about a possible alliance... And if you are forgetting Turkey and Iran both have the ability to obtain Nuclear Power. I don't think southern Iraqi soldiers could do anything against a nearly modernized nation such as Turkey.... please |
Are you kidding me? Turkey is being actively kept out of the EU and that charge is being led by Greece. The fact Turkey would have to resort to an alliance with Iran, possibly the most unpopular country in the world right now, is a very telling sign. And don't think it would just be Turkey vs. Iraq. Any aggressive moves by Turkey would spark international intervention in the area.
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It doesn't really matter what the US wants at this point.... we are in extreme debt, our economy is dead, and war is unpopular. The US couldn't stop Turkey even if we wanted to (Maybe 6 or 7 years ago but today?? no.)
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Do you honestly believe that? I'd like you to stop and think about what you're saying for just a second. The US may be having problems, but it's still the most powerful country in the world and Turkey, of all places, is nowhere near it.
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
Yes because no life created is so much worse than inter-breeding which can and often does lead to mutated and...mentally handicapped kids. They would have died out fairly quickly or remained primitive. There had to be a bigger breeding pool than 2 people and their kids.
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I believe god made sure that the children would not be handicapped.....
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