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Originally posted by Bounce
Honeymoon WW sales -> 200k after 3 months. Kiii
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it sold 200k WW in its first week though
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Originally posted by lancelovesgaga
why do people stan britney in 2015
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This would be an acceptable query if it wasn't coming from a Gaga stan 
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Originally posted by BabyCantYouSee
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thats napster. there were different forms of illegally downloading soon after, not to mention the increase in single sales because of the digital market, albums were way more in demand in the early 2000s.
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
Why is a CL stan quoting me? lool
Anyhow, lance, your thoughts on this?
Iggy Azalea
Virgin Mobile Corona Theatre Montreal, Quebec
834 / 834
Even Azoo can outgross her, why?
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Iggy is the Queen of RAP
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"Applause" sold more than every single song from the 90's except Candle in the Wind. Obviously it was not bigger than every song in the 90s, sales were just different, so you cannot compare. You'd have to adjust, or look at other factors, such as chart runs and such.
This is the same story with albums. You can't say an album that sold 10M in 1999 was bigger than an album that sold 9.9M in 2015. Like really 
The Army is something else. This having to take pages of explanation and groups of people...
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Originally posted by Instinct
This would be an acceptable query if it wasn't coming from a Gaga stan |
Gaga is very relevant in 2015. everyone in the LGBT club at school talks about her.
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Originally posted by Bounce
Honeymoon WW sales -> 200k after 3 months. Kiii
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Why are you pretending not to know her sales when you posted it hours ago?
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Originally posted by Bounce
Lana Del Rey- Honeymoon
Total sales: 451.000
Lmao not even 500k after almost 3 months, she's SOOOO over.
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Truly embarrassing
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
Why is a CL stan quoting me? lool
Anyhow, lance, your thoughts on this?
Iggy Azalea
Virgin Mobile Corona Theatre Montreal, Quebec
834 / 834
Even Azoo can outgross her, why?
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Mess, even Ke$ha is doing better 
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Gaga at least has talent and 2 good albums, Knee has literally nothing going on for her.
All her stans talk about are her 1999 sales and that snake performance.
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Originally posted by iHype.
Yes, they use it to compare CURRENT albums. They don't use album equivalents to compare albums from 2000 and 2015.
Pretty Girls has under 30M streams WW on On-Demand Services. Where are you getting 100M?
VEVO views do not count for SEA.
Again...VEVO Views do not count as SEA....
So by this logic, a #1 single in 2013 that sold an average 5M copies in US, is bigger than every single #1 from the 90's (bar Candle in the Wind) since no single in the 90's sold that much?
Obviously not. They're two different eras, so you can't compare the sales. You'd have to adjust based on what the market for singles was like in that period.
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Billboard doesn't count VEVO views in SEAs yet but does that mean they're not streams?  Nielsen Soundscan also didn't count the second-biggest source for music sales, Tower Records, for how many years? They didn't even bother to track iTunes till 2003 (?) or add it to the Hot 100 till like 2005. Billboard never even got around to club sales because they wouldn't pay Nielsen Soundscan to join. Do those hundreds of millions of sales not count because Billboard was slow on the draw?
Your single sales analogy is a little backwards. If an album from 1995 was released this decade, then its equivalents total would be the same, but the demographic of its sales would be changed, with single sales/streams taking a higher percentage and album sales tumbling. If we were to follow the "adjustment" method, then wouldn't we have crazy single sales? If 2012 had 14x higher single sales than 2004, then what would single sales look like from that year? Hollaback Girl would've sold 6,578,521 in a year and would be well over 12M singles sold in just the U.S. by now. Imagine where the physical singles would be  Have you even tried your method for single sales yet?
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I thought we were going to get new music from Iggy (a solo song at that) at the end of summer 2015. What happened?
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Originally posted by madonnas
but adele is a total outlier, though i dont think there is a concrete way to measure adjusted sales but its nice for comparison.
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Agreed. Tripling her album sales just seems like total nonsense to me. It implies that the vast majority of people decided to pirate her album instead of buying and that doesn't sit right when it comes to such a huge, "essential" phenomenon like her.
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Originally posted by lancelovesgaga
Gaga is very relevant in 2015. everyone in the LGBT club at school talks about her.
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Originally posted by Delilah.
it sold 200k WW in its first week though
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He took off like ~1,000,000 from her sales on purpose so I did the same for Lana 
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Originally posted by BabyCantYouSee
Napster?
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Napster didn't come out until 2002. And it was still such a fairly new concept for awhile back then. People were still unsure of and scared to just go crazy with downloading because nobody knew how serious it was. It wasn't until like the Kazaa days when illegal downloading started to surge.
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Originally posted by Sazare
There are so many pitfalls to "adjusted album sales," but 21 was still super obviously bigger than ...Baby One More Time.
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Yep. Didn't 21 rank higher than thriller on that list?
It never fails at the silliness that is applied when their faves are not selling it in pure sales so they need algebraic equations to overcompensate.
These coulda woulda shouldas
Rihanna's 13 #1s are bigger than Mariah's 18 #1s now let's use digitial sales and streams to serve as equivalents.
LOL
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Originally posted by Vin
Out of all the forgettable, reductive, obnoxious young adult dystopian films, "The Maze Runner" is actually the best, mainly due to the talented actors in the cast. I was very impressed (and surprised) with all the young actors' talent in the "The Maze Runner" films. "The Scorch Trials" wasn't as good as the first one, but again, the fact that they all can act really well makes it miles better than the other awful franchises with awful actors like "The Hunger Games" and "Divergent."
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"the maze runner" is amazing
yes vin, immaculate taste as usual 
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Originally posted by Evolution
Gaga at least has talent and 2 good albums, Knee has literally nothing going on for her.
All her stans talk about are her 1999 sales and that snake performance.
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kii. Britney has NOTHING except a LIFETIME CONSERVATORSHIP and money (with no class)
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Originally posted by Monceau
Mess, even Ke$ha is doing better |
That Iggy receipt was before she had an album out, before Fancy, etc..
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