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Tournament: ATRL's Drag Race S03 | Ep. 12: The Music Video - Pg. 304
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Chanal still defending her daughter when the public, the contestants (including the obvious winner of the season) and even the damn JUDGES are rioting
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BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO DO ABOUT IT
You guys got mad when I rigged the scores, so I stopped, and I haven't done it all season since the complaints about it. Every score that came in contributed to the results, and the results say that Eve Saint Laurence is currently in the top 3 of the season. When the season is over, and I expose them, you will see that not a SINGLE one of her placements doesn't line up with the score she received except for week 3-- she was LOW, statistically, but I put her in the bottom 2 because she deserved to be there.
The scores all caused this-- and they're not just my saying. The judges have had just as much of a hand in this as I did. Averages and all.
I understand people not being happy with the results, but from an objective standpoint, this is what deserved to happen, and there's nothing to do about that. What Evita is asking of me (both in here, her petition, and PM's) and what you guys are asking of me is to kick out a competitor because you all don't like that she's here when the scores simply justify what happened.
So poor everyone!
I hope you're all finally happy if/when she goes home third this week. I fully expect all the judges to rank her third regardless of what happens, and if that happens, so be it.
But all this bitching, screaming about rigging, sabotage, storyline editing, etc. is such a headache and entirely uninformed. Oh, well.
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Except you decided to send Kunty home instead of Eve. Personally, I preferred Kunty's lipsync over Eve's, but even if you did prefer Eve's, I don't understand how you let someone who skipped 2 challenges stay versus someone who was doing great every week. As Tangerine said, what you've done throughout the competition is a big factor in the lipsync. But stay justifying ****** decisions though!
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i cant wait for dame rose to win all stars
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That's the one thing you can say wasn't objective, I guess, but I decided I'd go off of the lip sync and I liked Eve's a tad more, so, hey.
But I don't understand why you say Kunty was doing so well all season. Tbh, I predicted she would be top 3-- but I predicted she would justify that by succeeding at literally all the challenges from Kum Eddy to the Botanical Ball-- but she didn't. She faltered, she was getting worse (LOW, SAFE, BTM2, BTM2), while Eve was starting to do well (SAFE, WIN, HIGH, then BTM2), so your argument about how they were actually performing is absolute nonsense; if I went off of the competition itself, then Eve still won the lip sync.
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#EvitaEndedEveParty
This bullying tho
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I signed
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Even my enemies are signing. Justice brings people together!
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Originally posted by PinkBox
Wow I'm so happy Evita is back so she can fight instead of me
Truly ahead of her time
People laughed at her, but turns out she was the one spilling the tea after all
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This is what you'll feel when MKD wins All Stars 3.
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Originally posted by C/H/A/N/E/L
BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO DO ABOUT IT
I understand people not being happy with the results, but from an objective standpoint, this is what deserved to happen, and there's nothing to do about that. What Evita is asking of me (both in here, her petition, and PM's) and what you guys are asking of me is to kick out a competitor because you all don't like that she's here when the scores simply justify what happened.
So poor everyone!
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What we're ALL asking to you is to have some decency, mercy and logic for this season. Tangerine is going to win anyway, but you want her to do it... like this? Season 1 and 2 had an incredible, dignified and solid Top 3/4/5, but now we have a competitor that Rebecca-Glasscock'd her way up to the Top 3 while more iconic contestants were snubbed, robbed and disqualified. I'm simply ashamed to be part of this season. This is what S7 queens must feel like, because it's not the contestants fault (it's, maybe, not even Eve's fault!), it's the producers (you) fault who rigged and bad-handled so many situations. We're asking to you to fix your mistakes and do something thrilling, new, shocking (unlike Tangie's win) and FAIR this season.
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Originally posted by Losing my ground
What we're ALL asking to you is to have some decency, mercy and logic for this season. Tangerine is going to win anyway, but you want her to do it... like this? Season 1 and 2 had an incredible, dignified and solid Top 3/4/5, but now we have a competitor that Rebecca-Glasscock'd her way up to the Top 3 while more iconic contestants were snubbed, robbed and disqualified. I'm simply ashamed to be part of this season. This is what S7 queens must feel like, because it's not the contestants fault (it's, maybe, not even Eve's fault!), it's the producers (you) fault who rigged and bad-handled so many situations. We're asking to you to fix your mistakes and do something thrilling, new, shocking (unlike Tangie's win) and FAIR this season.
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Logic is not your strong suit, Miss Thing. Don't you keep this up.
My point is, people left at appropriate times and there's nothing we can change about that. Personally, this is not the top 3 I was hoping for, and it's certainly not the top 3 I predicted would happen when this season started. But it's the top 3 we have because of how things OBJECTIVELY played out.
What did you want me to do? Rig? Give MoonChild more wins and let her stay when she loses a lip sync? Let Kunty stay when she's on a downward slope?
Like I ****ing said, there was no rigging and there was no way for me to change what happened this season.
But thank you for your input for the millionth time.
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Originally posted by C/H/A/N/E/L
That's the one thing you can say wasn't objective, I guess, but I decided I'd go off of the lip sync and I liked Eve's a tad more, so, hey.
But I don't understand why you say Kunty was doing so well all season. Tbh, I predicted she would be top 3-- but I predicted she would justify that by succeeding at literally all the challenges from Kum Eddy to the Botanical Ball-- but she didn't. She faltered, she was getting worse (LOW, SAFE, BTM2, BTM2), while Eve was starting to do well (SAFE, WIN, HIGH, then BTM2), so your argument about how they were actually performing is absolute nonsense; if I went off of the competition itself, then Eve still won the lip sync.
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And actual lipsync versus an entry for another old competition, it must have been really tough. You were the only one who prefered Eve's lipsync, how convenient.
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#EvitaEndedEveParty
This bullying tho
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It's not bullying henny. It's more a complain to chanal than to Eve. But she can still be a heroine if she quits and gives her spot to Kunty, MC, Nina or asks to her mother the special Ruturning episode I'm asking for.
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I'm screaming. Even if all of this were true it would be a mess to just disqualify Eve and bring someone else in. That makes absolutely no sense.
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Originally posted by Losing my ground
And actual lipsync versus an entry for another old competition, it must have been really tough. You were the only one who prefered Eve's lipsync, how convenient.
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And I'm the only one whose opinion matters. How even more convenient!
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Originally posted by C/H/A/N/E/L
Logic is not your strong suit, Miss Thing. Don't you keep this up.
My point is, people left at appropriate times and there's nothing we can change about that. Personally, this is not the top 3 I was hoping for, and it's certainly not the top 3 I predicted would happen when this season started. But it's the top 3 we have because of how things OBJECTIVELY played out.
What did you want me to do? Rig? Give MoonChild more wins and let her stay when she loses a lip sync? Let Kunty stay when she's on a downward slope?
Like I ****ing said, there was no rigging and there was no way for me to change what happened this season.
But thank you for your input for the millionth time.
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You talk too much about "Objectively" forgetting:
- the judges scores are based on SUBJECTIVITY. It can change or not be the same than the general consensus.
- this is a GAME SHOW. Plot twists are about to happen, if nobody is happy with the Top 3 than change it in the most fair possible way. In the actual Drag Race, Ru eliminates the worst overall performer or the least liked by the fans as 4th spot while she evaluate everyone's reaction.
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Originally posted by Aciid
I'm screaming. Even if all of this were true it would be a mess to just disqualify Eve and bring someone else in. That makes absolutely no sense.
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It's not a DQ, more like a direct-elimination (like Ru does in the final challenge of Drag Race) and a parallel competition of former contestants for the actual 3rd spot (or 2nd if that person beats Pixel). That way, at least Eve gets a Darienne Lake treatment instead of a Rebecca Glasscock/Pearl ruining presence on the Top 3.
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Originally posted by Losing my ground
It's not a DQ, more like a direct-elimination (like Ru does in the final challenge of Drag Race) and a parallel competition of former contestants for the actual 3rd spot (or 2nd if that person beats Pixel). That way, at least Eve gets a Darienne Lake treatment instead of a Rebecca Glasscock/Pearl ruining presence on the Top 3.
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That's all you're asking for?
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Originally posted by C/H/A/N/E/L
Part 4: The Speech
And here comes the twist: One of you is going home after this challenge. But I haven't decided which. So it's up to this challenge for me (and I guess the judges) to figure that out. So I want to hear from you guys-- which two of you deserve to be the top two, and who deserves to go home, and after that, who deserves to win, and why? You can give as much or as little reasoning or explanation or anything for all of this; but you must do it within 450 words.
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Okay so once we're at a final two, how will the winner be decided?
...okay nevermind, I know how the winner will be decided, as that was decided forever ago. I mean, what will the final two be doing after this challenge?
follow-up question: Does third place get Runner Up next to their name, or just ELIM
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Originally posted by C/H/A/N/E/L
Third place will get "ELIM", so poor that.
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That's happening anyway. But you saying "Get Evita/Kunty/MoonChild/Allure" (?) "top 3!!" is nonsense. No one is coming back, because that in itself would be unfair. And stupid, frankly; no one who's gone home deserves to come back right now.
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Originally posted by C/H/A/N/E/L
That's the one thing you can say wasn't objective, I guess, but I decided I'd go off of the lip sync and I liked Eve's a tad more, so, hey.
But I don't understand why you say Kunty was doing so well all season. Tbh, I predicted she would be top 3-- but I predicted she would justify that by succeeding at literally all the challenges from Kum Eddy to the Botanical Ball-- but she didn't. She faltered, she was getting worse (LOW, SAFE, BTM2, BTM2), while Eve was starting to do well (SAFE, WIN, HIGH, then BTM2), so your argument about how they were actually performing is absolute nonsense; if I went off of the competition itself, then Eve still won the lip sync.
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Well... We all know the chart isn't accurate seeing how doing nothing = high. That doesn't change the fact that at that point, she skipped 2 challenges out of 9. It's like if Trixie would have stayed instead of Ginger because I liked Trixie better. That's not possible though because Ginger has been killing it and Trixie missed some challenges, even though Ginger progressively got worse (being in the bottom twice) and Trixie got better. It's just that in this case, in the chart, Eve didn't get a blank space for the challenges she missed.
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Originally posted by PinkBox
Well... We all know the chart isn't accurate seeing how doing nothing = high. That doesn't change the fact that at that point, she skipped 2 challenges out of 9. It's like if Trixie would have stayed instead of Ginger because I liked Trixie better. That's not possible though because Ginger has been killing it and Trixie missed some challenges, even though Ginger progressively got worse (being in the bottom twice) and Trixie got better. It's just that in this case, in the chart, Eve didn't get a blank space for the challenges she missed.
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I mean, it IS accurate. On the show, the whole team is HIGH regardless of how individuals performed-- and that's what happened. As for her other major skip, with Sissy That Lip Sync, I knew she deserved to be bottom 2 that week and that's why she was, but the other judges clearly didn't think so because they didn't even rank her low enough to get her there.
But my point was, within the competition and the same challenges (6 through 9), Eve was getting better and Kunty was getting worse, so I fail to see that as a major robbery.
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Actually, they usually judge as teams if the whole team was good or at least passable, like for Max's team in Shakesqueer. If someone from both teams ****ed up, it's usually judged as individuals (Glamazonian Airways for example). It wouldn't have made any sense to give Katya or Sasha a high because they were on the winning team when they were by far the worst of the week.
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They usually judge the first big acting challenge in teams (I think RuCo's Empire was the first time they haven't), and this followed suit. The lip sync extravaganzas are individual for the most part-- Glamazonian Airways included.
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If Jiggly can be high for her awful acting in Tuckahoe anything can happen.
It's just important when making judgement calls to remember that the record and numbers on the chart aren't infallible and this is just one reason as to why.
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