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Originally posted by deadautumncrow
So many uneducated voters on atrl... The media is including potential super delegates (which, legally, aren't counted until July 25th) to discourage Bernie supporters. This shows how corrupt the American media is. It's still an extremely tight race and the media is doing whatever they can to help Hillary clench the nomination.
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Who you calling uneducated??
The media always includes pledged superdelegates when assessing whether a Presidential nominee has crossed the majority threshold. In 2008, they hailed Obama as the presumptive nominee long before the DNC. Bernie Sanders himself publicly endorsed Obama as the winner of the Democratic nomination when Obama crossed this threshold (thanks to Super-delegates). Now Sanders supporters are saying that Supers should not be counted until the DNC. Laughable. Sanders himself didn't apply that reasoning in 2008.
It is standard practice for the media to call someone the presumptive nominee when they reach the majority threshold. Hillary lost in exactly this fashion in 2008 when Obama was proclaimed by the media as the nominee.
Those uneducated are the ones proclaiming that Hillary cannot be hailed by the media as the presumptive Democratic nominee by including the count of pledged superdelegates, when no such standard was required for previous Democratic presumptive nominees (such as Obama) who were all hailed by the media when they crossed the majority threshold by including pledged super-delegates.
The only ones being uneducated on this issue are those who are claiming it was a tight race. It is not a tight race at all. Hillary has a lead of almost 300 delegates and an even greater lead when including pledged super-delegates. Obama vs Hillary is not regarded as being a pretty close race, and yet the gap between Obama and Hillary was less than a third of the current delegate gap between Hillary and Sanders. History will look back on this Democratic Nominee race as an easy victory for Clinton with Sanders coming nowhere close to winning it. Sanders is miles off winning and always has been.
The main spin the media has been putting on this Democratic nomination contest is pretending the contest was far closer than it was in reality, in order to generate advertising clicks. The numbers cannot really be spun though. The HUGE lead in delegates and total votes that Clinton has over Sanders is a crushing victory, a landslide, and that will only increase today and when DC votes. Close race? LOL. Not by any measure of comparison to previous nomination campaigns.
The chronological spread of the primaries means that often the ones near the end of the process take part when the winner has already been decided. This year is not an exception to that. Clinton has won already. The remaining Primaries will just determine the margin of victory.
No point throwing your toys out of the pram and claiming both Hillary and Trump have not yet been officially ratified by their respective Conventions. That is merely a rubber-stamping process. The Campaign for the Presidential Election is not going to wait on such trivialities. It never does. Sanders has zero chance of getting the super-delegates to suddenly flip over to him at the DNC when he has lost the public vote and the delegate vote. Some of his supporters seem to delude themselves into thinking that can happen.
Sanders supporters should accept they lost, convincingly. It happens. The people decided they preferred Hillary. It is called democracy, where the winner is decided by voting. If you believe in the Democratic process, you need to abide by the results of the election, even if you backed a losing horse.
If Sanders supporters want to actually implement a leftward swing in policy of the Democratic party in the future, then they need to take a leaf out of the Tea-Party's book. Essentially vote for candidates that represent their ideals, or close to them, in every election. They need to vote in mid-terms and win the House for the Democrats and get leftist Senators and Congressman elected into the Democratic Party. Then they can help shape policy of the Democratic Party as a whole. Declining to vote out of pettiness will not help to combat the GOP agenda of implementing more right-wing policies in the US. Only a Democratic controlled House will enable leftist policies to be passed into Law, and Leftist Judges to be appointed to the US Supreme Court.