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News: Veganism grows by 360% in the UK
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Obsession
I don't understand the whole superiority complex vegans have. Glad that you decided to go with a meat-free lifestyle, but it's not what everyone is used to and I don't see our society headed in that direction.
Also, for some people, being a vegan is way too expensive. For instance, in my area, cow's milk is half the price of the cheapest dairy-free milk and sometimes, people can't just afford to shell out the extra just to be vegan.
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I don't want to give anyone the perception that I'm here to jump at everyone's opinions - these sound logical. Do you mind if I just clear a few things up for you?
I think I, and many other vegans, are that way because we don't feel superior to others - namely to animals and those worst affected by climate change. Given the intensive, environmentally catastrophic farming methods associated with animal agriculture, and the ways in which it's impacting the world around us - it's likely that society will go in that direction. But that doesn't mean you have to do it today! I just want to plant that seed.
Veganism is certainly associated with a luxurious lifestyle, but it doesn't have to be that way! I understand it's not so for all regions - but fruits, vegetables and grains will often undercut the price of meat and milks. I agree that substitutes (certainly a luxury!) are generally more expensive than their counterparts, though veganism, and even vegetarianism isn't just a matter of using a VeganEgg instead of eggs, almond milk every time you'd use dairy and some tofu or mock meat every time you'd use pork. It really has it's own kind of cuisine that deviates from the common western "meat and 3 veg" meals. On another note, I was shoe shopping the other day and found out that most premium fashions will be non-vegan (using leather, wool, etc.) though many cheaper shoes will use all vegan materials - I too was surprised to find that the price of vegan goods aren't always inflated in stores!
It can be difficult for people to get their heads around it, but as the OP states - more and more are doing it! It's getting easier and easier each day, and I'm thankful that I have the ability to influence people on here.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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i'm not even vegan but you guys are so dramatic about them. there is no vegan in here or in the thread from the other day being more annoying than a non-vegan. i mean really, look at the posts objectively. all the vegans are doing is trying to respectfully speak from their standpoint, and they get "**** U I LUV STEAK!!1" in response
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Obsession
I don't understand the whole superiority complex vegans have. Glad that you decided to go with a meat-free lifestyle, but it's not what everyone is used to and I don't see our society headed in that direction.
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MTE. If you're vegan, I totally respect that, but a vegan lifestyle just isn't for me. Cutting down on meat is one thing (I should mention that I eat red meat very sparingly), but giving up meat and dairy altogether would mean giving up half the foods I live for.
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Originally posted by -brian
i'm not even vegan but you guys are so dramatic about them. there is no vegan in here or in the thread from the other day being more annoying than a non-vegan. i mean really, look at the posts objectively. all the vegans are doing is trying to respectfully speak from their standpoint, and they get "**** U I LUV STEAK!!1" in response
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MTE
The meat eaters are 1000000209328329822x more obnoxious than the vegans in this thread
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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See this is why these discussions can't ever be productive. You can't even casually mention veganism without non vegans getting immediately defensive over their diets
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If you're going to disagree with the vegans, at least do so respectfully. The OP may have acted slightly arrogant with the "Talent wins" statement, but I doubt it was more than a simple joke. They don't have a superiority complex, obviously. Some non-vegans keep complaining about being looked down on for their lifestyle, but I really haven't seen anyone act like that in this thread. So stop doing obnoxious stuff like posting pictures of burgers or trolling. It just lets everyone know how childish you are. I'm not even vegan, but some of you need to let it go.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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The meltdowns
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by jxck
But that doesn't mean you have to do it today! I just want to plant that seed.
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And what if I told you that I have absolutely no interest in adopting a vegan diet?
What if I told you that, while my diet isn't nearly as meat-centric as most Americans, cutting meat and dairy out entirely is something I'm not at all willing to do?
Would you think less of me as a person, or would you respect my choice? Genuinely curious.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
And what if I told you that I have absolutely no interest in adopting a vegan diet?
What if I told you that, while my diet isn't nearly as meat-centric as most Americans, cutting meat and dairy out entirely is something I'm not at all willing to do?
Would you think less of me as a person, or would you respect my choice? Genuinely curious.
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To start, I'd certainly be disappointed - given how central it is to sooo many issues that currently concern us. This kind of explains a bit of my sentiment..
I believe that people need to be aware of all they're doing - I don't respect a decision that slaughters and enslaves animals, pollutes the earth far more than any thing else man has done before and makes wonderful people incredibly unhealthy. Our consumption of animals kills over 56 billion of them a year, our consumption of animals enacts world hunger, and deforests + wastes water + creates ocean dead zones + enacts climate change + uses unnecessary land + creates incredible waste + causes species extinction more than any other practice. Our consumption of animal products - the only food with cholesterol in it - directly impacts the entire global population's leading cause of death, coronary heart disease.
This doesn't, by any means, mean that I'm out to make you look bad, to embarrass you or to make myself look better - but I'm all about encouraging + empowering people to make a change that helps them and the entire world. I hope this is read with the loving tone intended.
Moreso than disrespecting your decision - I'd again say that I'd just be disappointed to see somebody turn their back on their own health, that of others, of the environment, and of animals. But currently, we're coming from a place where this is entirely habitual for so many of us - to the point where I don't even consider people's decision to consume animal products a conscious choice. For that reason, I oft try to make sure that people's stance on veganism doesn't get in the way of me respecting them for other things, or enjoying their company or (in the context of this forum), their music. People are all on their own journey, and it's going to take some time.
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Originally posted by St. Charles
Some non-vegans keep complaining about being looked down on for their lifestyle, but I really haven't seen anyone act like that in this thread..
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Exactly, meat eaters are really insecure for some reason.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Vegans are WAY better than meat eaters.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by jxck
To start, I'd certainly be disappointed - given how central it is to sooo many issues that currently concern us. This kind of explains a bit of my sentiment..
I believe that people need to be aware of all they're doing - I don't respect a decision that slaughters and enslaves animals, pollutes the earth far more than any thing else man has done before and makes wonderful people incredibly unhealthy. Our consumption of animals kills over 56 billion of them a year, our consumption of animals enacts world hunger, and deforests + wastes water + creates ocean dead zones + enacts climate change + uses unnecessary land + creates incredible waste + causes species extinction more than any other practice. Our consumption of animal products - the only food with cholesterol in it - directly impacts the entire global population's leading cause of death, coronary heart disease.
This doesn't, by any means, mean that I'm out to make you look bad, to embarrass you or to make myself look better - but I'm all about encouraging + empowering people to make a change that helps them and the entire world. I hope this is read with the loving tone intended.
Moreso than disrespecting your decision - I'd again say that I'd just be disappointed to see somebody turn their back on their own health, that of others, of the environment, and of animals. But currently, we're coming from a place where this is entirely habitual for so many of us - to the point where I don't even consider people's decision to consume animal products a conscious choice. For that reason, I oft try to make sure that people's stance on veganism doesn't get in the way of me respecting them for other things, or enjoying their company or (in the context of this forum), their music. People are all on their own journey, and it's going to take some time.
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I like this post
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by KatyLegendperry
It will be a fad
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This, it's just a hipster thing
No one can resist juicy, succulent meat forever
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Member Since: 11/26/2010
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Originally posted by Nikolai.
This, it's just a hipster thing
No one can resist juicy, succulent meat forever
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I don't see myself ever craving a carcass, dear.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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500k out of 60 million? Shocking
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Well if you grow from 1 person to 4.6 I guess you get a 360% increase lol
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Tell 'em king!
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Well if you grow from 1 person to 4.6 I guess you get a 360% increase lol
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Member Since: 11/4/2010
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I work in a store and the amount of people quizzing me about whether a certain product is suitable for vegans is genuinely infuriating.
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