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Discussion: Overall Grammy Discussion
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
I wanted to talk about the 2003-2004 Grammy race for Best Pop Female, for a moment:
Best Female Pop Vocal Performance
Bjork, Oceania
Sheryl Crow, The First Cut is the Deepest
Norah Jones, Sunrise * (winner)
Gwen Stefani, What Ya Waiting For?
Joss Stone, You Had Me
This might be the weirdest race I've ever seen. I know this year is weak, but 03-04 really set the mold, huh? All five of these could have been submitted to other categories: Bjork to Rock Vocal (Alternative Vocal would be better, but that category still doesn't exist NARAS), Stone to R&B, Stefani to Dance, Crow to Country (where she could have easily beaten Gretchen Wilson).
What happened to the actual "pop" songs? Where is Everytime or The Voice Within? Was Jojo seen as too much of a gimmick then (and now?) And who else shares my opinion that, if the SNL incident had never happened, both Simpson sisters would have TOTALLY gotten in?
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This was a very surprising and weak lineup indeed. Norah was totally going win and she surely did for that boring song.
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Question - how did Mary's "All That I Can Say" not rape and pillage R&B Female during the 98-99 season? It's one of her very best vocal performances, built on a great song.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Question - how did Mary's "All That I Can Say" not rape and pillage R&B Female during the 98-99 season? It's one of her very best vocal performances, built on a great song.
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Whitney shut her ass down!!! That's why! But "All That I Can Say" would have been my pick. I love the Mary album.
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
Whitney shut her ass down!!! That's why! But "All That I Can Say" would have been my pick. I love the Mary album.
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Whitney Houston for "It's Not Right but It's Okay"
Brandy for "Almost Doesn't Count"
Mary J. Blige for "All That I Can Say"
Faith Evans for "Love Like This"
Macy Gray for "Do Something"
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Let's be real - the only thing great about INRBITO is the dance mix.
It should have gone like this:
1) Mary
2) Brandy
3) Whitney
4) Macy
5) Faith
But all deserving! Not like last year's race.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Let's be real - the only thing great about INRBITO is the dance mix.
It should have gone like this:
1) Mary
2) Brandy
3) Whitney
4) Macy
5) Faith
But all deserving! Not like last year's race.
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I think Whitney won because she had a bunch of nominations with no wins. Plus, she had the biggest hit.
Hey, how would you have ranked these nominees and why?
Best Female Pop Vocal Performance (1997)
Sarah McLachlan: "Building A Mystery" (WINNER)
Mariah Carey: "Butterfly"
Paula Cole: "Where Have All The Cowboys Gone?"
Shawn Colvin: "Sunny Came Home"
Jewel: "Foolish Games"
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Well, I mean, Butterfly is on a completely different level. Not only is it one of Mariah's most technically challenging songs, but it's also one of her best interpretations - full of emotion, unlike Hero.
1) Mariah
2) Shawn
3) Jewel
4) Sarah
5) Paula
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How did Sarah win that year? I mean, Shawn won SOTY and ROTY for her song and Paula was up for those categories. Jewel had the biggest hit. Mariah didn't matter to the voters around that time, sadly.
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
How did Sarah win that year? I mean, Shawn won SOTY and ROTY for her song and Paula was up for those categories. Jewel had the biggest hit. Mariah didn't matter to the voters around that time, sadly.
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You have to remember that this was around the time of Lilith Fair. Who started that? Ms. Mclachlan. She arguably had the most respect out of all four of those women.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
You have to remember that this was around the time of Lilith Fair. Who started that? Ms. Mclachlan. She arguably had the most respect out of all four of those women.
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Maybe that's what it was.
Here's another one.
Best Female Pop Vocal Performance (1995)
Mariah Carey - "Fantasy"
Dionne Farris - "I Know"
Joan Osborne - "One Of Us"
Bonnie Raitt - "You Got It"
Vanessa Williams - "Colors Of The Wind"
Annie Lennox - "No More 'I Love You's'" (WINNER)
I don't have an issue with Annie winning here. "No More..." was epic from a vocal standpoint. Though I wish Mariah could have won something that year. Surprised that "Take a Bow" by Madonna was completely ignored.
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RIGHT?!?!? Madonna only has four Pop Female nominations. FOUR. Ain't nobody ever heard of no damn "You Got It," while "Take a Bow" was the biggest hit of the year. SMDH.
Now you're a Kylie hater, but please tell me how Can't Get You Out of My Head missed out in a year like this:
2003 Don't Know Why performed by Norah Jones
* Soak Up the Sun performed by Sheryl Crow
* Complicated performed by Avril Lavigne
* Get the Party Started performed by Pink
* Overprotected performed by Britney Spears
Overprotected wasn't even a hit. And I wish we could see the submission for 01-02 - GTPS screams Dance Recording/Don't Let Me Get Me should have taken its place here.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ace Reject
RIGHT?!?!? Madonna only has four Pop Female nominations. FOUR. Ain't nobody ever heard of no damn "You Got It," while "Take a Bow" was the biggest hit of the year. SMDH.
Now you're a Kylie hater, but please tell me how Can't Get You Out of My Head missed out in a year like this:
2003 Don't Know Why performed by Norah Jones
* Soak Up the Sun performed by Sheryl Crow
* Complicated performed by Avril Lavigne
* Get the Party Started performed by Pink
* Overprotected performed by Britney Spears
Overprotected wasn't even a hit. And I wish we could see the submission for 01-02 - GTPS screams Dance Recording/Don't Let Me Get Me should have taken its place here.
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I remember someone saying that "Can't Get You Out of My Head" was submitted to Dance Recording. Ironically, it was snubbed there. I think the oddest thing ever was Vanessa Carlton's "A Thousand Miles" NOT receiving a Pop Female Vocal nomination but scraping up ROTY and SOTY nominations.
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
I remember someone saying that "Can't Get You Out of My Head" was submitted to Dance Recording. Ironically, it was snubbed there. I think the oddest thing ever was Vanessa Carlton's "A Thousand Miles" NOT receiving a Pop Female Vocal nomination but scraping up ROTY and SOTY nominations.
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1) I think CGYOOMH had to have been submitted to Pop - no way would Love at First Sight have beaten it to a nod (even though it is the superior song).
2) To be repeated four years later by Corinne Bailey Rae. If the pattern continues, someone should be doing that this year. I think the most likely candidate would be Florence, non?
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
1) I think CGYOOMH had to have been submitted to Pop - no way would Love at First Sight have beaten it to a nod (even though it is the superior song).
2) To be repeated four years later by Corinne Bailey Rae. If the pattern continues, someone should be doing that this year. I think the most likely candidate would be Florence, non?
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You do know that labels are dumb and some submit like 50 tracks from one artist to a category, right? Some labels don't know how to play the game right.
Do you think Florence could win Best New Artist? I hope so.
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It could be. You know, looking back at the 80s Pop Female Vocal nominees, it's amazing that Linda Ronstadt could get nominated for ANYTHING. How did she beat out Like a Prayer and/or Express Yourself in 88-89, not to mention like three Janet tracks? Disgraceful.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ace Reject
I wanted to talk about the 2003-2004 Grammy race for Best Pop Female, for a moment:
Best Female Pop Vocal Performance
Bjork, Oceania
Sheryl Crow, The First Cut is the Deepest
Norah Jones, Sunrise * (winner)
Gwen Stefani, What Ya Waiting For?
Joss Stone, You Had Me
This might be the weirdest race I've ever seen. I know this year is weak, but 03-04 really set the mold, huh? All five of these could have been submitted to other categories: Bjork to Rock Vocal (Alternative Vocal would be better, but that category still doesn't exist NARAS), Stone to R&B, Stefani to Dance, Crow to Country (where she could have easily beaten Gretchen Wilson).
What happened to the actual "pop" songs? Where is Everytime or The Voice Within? Was Jojo seen as too much of a gimmick then (and now?) And who else shares my opinion that, if the SNL incident had never happened, both Simpson sisters would have TOTALLY gotten in?
Discuss.
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Imagine how many unworthy artists would have grammys then...both the simpson sisters, jessica with angels especially, cud've gotten at least nods...but otherwise it would be a horrible idea to have mainstream pop get alot of nods/wins
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ace Reject
I wanted to talk about the 2003-2004 Grammy race for Best Pop Female, for a moment:
Best Female Pop Vocal Performance
Bjork, Oceania
Sheryl Crow, The First Cut is the Deepest
Norah Jones, Sunrise * (winner)
Gwen Stefani, What Ya Waiting For?
Joss Stone, You Had Me
This might be the weirdest race I've ever seen. I know this year is weak, but 03-04 really set the mold, huh? All five of these could have been submitted to other categories: Bjork to Rock Vocal (Alternative Vocal would be better, but that category still doesn't exist NARAS), Stone to R&B, Stefani to Dance, Crow to Country (where she could have easily beaten Gretchen Wilson).
What happened to the actual "pop" songs? Where is Everytime or The Voice Within? Was Jojo seen as too much of a gimmick then (and now?) And who else shares my opinion that, if the SNL incident had never happened, both Simpson sisters would have TOTALLY gotten in?
Discuss.
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I love you.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ace Reject
RIGHT?!?!? Madonna only has four Pop Female nominations. FOUR. Ain't nobody ever heard of no damn "You Got It," while "Take a Bow" was the biggest hit of the year. SMDH.
Now you're a Kylie hater, but please tell me how Can't Get You Out of My Head missed out in a year like this:
2003 Don't Know Why performed by Norah Jones
* Soak Up the Sun performed by Sheryl Crow
* Complicated performed by Avril Lavigne
* Get the Party Started performed by Pink
* Overprotected performed by Britney Spears
Overprotected wasn't even a hit. And I wish we could see the submission for 01-02 - GTPS screams Dance Recording/Don't Let Me Get Me should have taken its place here.
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If they wanted to submit something from "Britney", they should have went with "I'm Not A Girl". :dickhead:
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Originally posted by Nick
it's really just their asshole way of making it even more of a slap in the face than not nominating at all. That way, the bitch shows up because she has so many, and they can watch her lose 8 times.
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"Grammy" does not vote. This is not the VMA's. The Grammy nominees are final voted on by their artists fellow musicians. If a nominee does not win they can blame the musicians in the music business. That's why it's said to be nominated for a Grammy is an honor. Also check out the Grammy submissions thread. If you get through those 300-400 submission long list to be one of five final nominees you are one of the best musicians for that year.
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
Hey, how would you have ranked these nominees and why?
Best Female Pop Vocal Performance (1997)
Sarah McLachlan: "Building A Mystery" (WINNER)
Mariah Carey: "Butterfly"
Paula Cole: "Where Have All The Cowboys Gone?"
Shawn Colvin: "Sunny Came Home"
Jewel: "Foolish Games"
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I'm sorry, but how did Shawn Colvin or Jewel not win this year. I'm having trouble deciding between them, but both of those songs are incredible and still easily hold up today.
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Female Pop Vocal Performance is always a terrible category. Inevitably, every year will have a handful of awesome and hugely popular female pop songs--all of which will end up getting snubbed by the academy for a couple of boring songs that weren't even hits on the AC format.
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