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Poll: Bigger Peak: Mariah vs Gaga
View Poll Results: Bigger Peak?
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Mariah
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60.26% |
Gaga
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39.74% |
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 4,793
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Originally posted by iHype.
The Fame was in the top 10 selling albums of 2009 and 2010. It had much more longevity than any Mariah album.
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Music Box charted for almost two years and didn't need a re-release to do that.
The Fame/TFM and Music Box both charted for three years on Billboards year end lists, once again Music Box didn't need a re-release to achieve this.
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Member Since: 4/20/2011
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Best-selling albums per decade (UK)
1990s
39. MUSIC BOX- Mariah Carey
2000s
73. THE FAME- Lady Gaga
2010s
13. THE FAME MONSTER- Lady Gaga
28. BORN THIS WAY- Lady Gaga
Mariah was HUGE (for comparison, Britney doesn't even have a single album that made any decade-end chart in the UK), but Gaga's peak was bigger
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
Posts: 59,872
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Originally posted by PrinceSpears
Mariah's peak lasted the entire 90s decade in the US.
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Mariah Carey - 9x Platinum (1990)
Rainbow - 3x Platinum (1999)
It wasn't. If she can decline by over triple sales and still "be in her peak" then by your logic Gaga was still in her peak during ARTPOP.
A peak is the biggest era. Meaning unless every single one of her eras during the 90s was the same size she didn't peak with an entire decade.
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Originally posted by Eternium
Because it had a re-release
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Yes, because she had a re-release she had more longevity and a bigger era.
Point is, she still had a bigger peak. Get over the fact the re-release helped it.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 32,982
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Originally posted by Haribo
Coming from you.
OT: Equal, I guess. Gaga's feels bigger to me, though, so I voted for her.
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It saddens me that you were once a respected member of the charts community.
And I'm not the one passing inverse-chart points off as if they're even mildly important, especially when Nielsen Soundscan/Billboard didn't count Sony BMG, Columbia House, Tower Records, etc. at Mariah's peak despite them making up a significant part of the album buying community. Nielsen fumbled and has Music Box at 7.28M whereas the more reliable at the time RIAA has it at Diamond.
Tell me again how Billboard/Nielsen are the only important factor in determining the album's success, though.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
Posts: 8,633
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Quote:
Originally posted by iHype.
The point is… the era was still bigger.
Thanks for pointing out why it was bigger.
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I'm seeing your point, but completely disagree.
Most people see The Fame and The Fame Monster as different eras, and treat it as such. It would be one thing if it had the same imagery and all, but it was completely different. TFM is when Gaga got really weird.
So while in the chart world it was the same, in the real world it was two different eras and eras that were not bigger than Music Box.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 14,942
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Mariah's peak lasted for what...a decade. And then she repeaked mid 2000s. I'm going to say her.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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But she was still scoring worldwide #1 hits 9 years into her career...Gaga couldn't even do that with her third album
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
Posts: 8,633
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Originally posted by slobro
Best-selling albums per decade (UK)
1990s
39. MUSIC BOX- Mariah Carey
2000s
73. THE FAME- Lady Gaga
2010s
13. THE FAME MONSTER- Lady Gaga
28. BORN THIS WAY- Lady Gaga
Mariah was HUGE (for comparison, Britney doesn't even have a single album that made any decade-end chart in the UK), but Gaga's peak was bigger
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Yeah, the UK (and Europe) are the only places she was selling albums like a phenomenon but in other places she was weak. Like Circus outdid The Fame in 2009 on the Billboard 200
Top BB200 Albums of 2009
6. Circus
8. The Fame
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Originally posted by Brinny Baby
Most people see The Fame and The Fame Monster as different eras, and treat it as such.
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Not when her haters including you like to combine them together to dramatize her decline.
The Fame + Monster is a re-release as you, yourself pointed out. Meaning The Fame Monster counts towards The Fame.
Just as The Complete Confection counts for the Teenage Dream era, and Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded counts for the Good Girl Gone Bad era.
Next.
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
Music Box charted for almost two years and didn't need a re-release to do that.
The Fame/TFM and Music Box both charted for three years on Billboards year end lists, once again Music Box didn't need a re-release to achieve this.
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And comparing time in Top 10.
Music Box:
2-2-2-3-4-4-5-7-5-5-5-6-3-2-1-1-1-2-1-1-1-2-2-2-1-1-5-6-5-9-6-9-9
The Fame:
10-7-4-6-5-7-9-10-8-7-5-6-4-8-5-8-6-6-8-10-13-11-10-10-6-5-6-6-6-2-3-4-3-3-4-7-4-5-7-8-5-8-9-7-7-10-11-11-11-12-6-6-10-15-17-13-8-13-10-
And hit albums during this time literally have double, if not, triple less time in T10 compared to hit albums then.
But you just desperately want to drag Gaga as usual so you won't get it.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Quote:
Originally posted by Brinny Baby
Yeah, the UK (and Europe) are the only places she was selling albums like a phenomenon but in other places she was weak. Like Circus outdid The Fame in 2009 on the Billboard 200
Top BB200 Albums of 2009
6. Circus
8. The Fame
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Britney's 6th album outdoing Gaga's smash hit debut
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 32,982
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16.4M / 3 = 1.9M?
You learn something new everyday, huh?
And Gaga's two albums moved a total of ~23M album equivalents. Mariah moved more units in pure album sales.
Unless we need to multiply Gaga's sales by 10 to make up for the market change for Gaga's...two albums as compared to Mariah's 1.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Music Box was still charting not just one album later but TWO albums later.
It's even more impressive because Mariah HAD two more albums out during that time, was The Fame/TFM still charting when ARTPOP was released?
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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didn't Mariah's peak last longer than 2 years? i'm going to go with her.
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Member Since: 4/20/2011
Posts: 26,993
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Quote:
Originally posted by Brinny Baby
Yeah, the UK (and Europe) are the only places she was selling albums like a phenomenon but in other places she was weak. Like Circus outdid The Fame in 2009 on the Billboard 200
Top BB200 Albums of 2009
6. Circus
8. The Fame
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Good thing it had longevity didn't stop selling after 2009, unlike Circus (hence it being on the all-time top 40, unlike Circus or any Britney album)
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Gaga was a bigger celebrity at her peak and was more global.
Mariah's commercial peak is bigger obviously, but her name wasn't bigger than "Lady Gaga" from 2009-2011.
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Mariah's peak was 10x bigger than gaga's
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Originally posted by D.M.F
At Gaga's peak she was far more global than Mariah's ever been. The likes of PokerFace, and Bad Romance are bigger than anything M's ever released.
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Quote:
Originally posted by vuelve88
Mariah:
* Singles
* Albums
* Appearance
* Cultural relevance
Gaga:
* Dancing
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
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Quote:
Originally posted by Eternium
16.4M / 3 = 1.9M?
You learn something new everyday, huh?
And Gaga's two albums moved a total of ~23M album equivalents. Mariah moved more units in pure album sales.
Unless we need to multiply Gaga's sales by 10 to make up for the market change for Gaga's...two albums as compared to Mariah's 1.
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Mariah Carey (album) didn't sell 16.4M in US so why are you using a fake figure? It's Soundscan total isn't it's full total (missing almost half its total) so hence certifications being compared.
And using Soundscan sales:
Daydream: 7,660,000
Rainbow: 2,960,000
Again, her peak wasn't an entire decade.
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To be fair, Gaga was more global because social media just started becoming a huge thing in the mid-to-late 2000s.
She had way more access to people across the world than Mariah did in the 90s. Mariah couldn't send out a tweet, or post a picture, and have it be seen by a billion people instantly.
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
Posts: 59,872
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Quote:
Originally posted by PrinceSpears
But she was still scoring worldwide #1 hits 9 years into her career...Gaga couldn't even do that with her third album
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That's consistency and longevity. This is asking peak, as in biggest one moment.
Are you not understanding?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 32,982
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Quote:
Originally posted by iHype.
Mariah Carey (album) didn't sell 16.4M in US so why are you using a fake figure? It's Soundscan total isn't it's full total (missing almost half its total) so hence certifications being compared.
And using Soundscan sales:
Daydream: 7,660,000
Rainbow: 2,960,000
Again, her peak wasn't an entire decade.
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Those are Gaga's global album sales, sis
And Soundscan is not a full picture until 2005 because they left out Tower Records, the second biggest music retailer, and club sales.
And I agree that a peak is only the zenith of commercial success. Just wanted to point out that Rainbow wasn't quite the decline you were passing it off as.
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