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Discussion: Why's no one trying to be iconic anymore?
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Originally posted by ryanpittman97
Comparing Ariana to Britney
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Well yeah, they're the same type of artist
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
Well yeah, they're the same type of artist
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Ariana is way more talented and makes better music than Britney there is no comparison
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Originally posted by KareBear
I was literally just thinking about why some celebrities dont have an iconic look like Michael with his glove and jacket. Or what Gaga did with her many outfits and Madonna. Like why doesn't Bieber try to have a look that he uses all the time so it will be tied with him like the one glove is a signature Michael look. The music industry isn't as interesting as it used to be. We need better or newer pop stars who aren't too much of a try hard but still push buttons and stand out
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It seems SO simple. Gaga, Madonna, and Michael Jackson knew the power of introducing a unique eccentric trait and consistently using them to the point that they became iconic and defining. Even Justin Bieber's bowl cut was iconic, because it was unique and it showed consistency.
This concept is the main reason why I became a Gaga stan. I'm not a fan because I love her work, for instance she wore a ****ing meat dress and I'm a lifelong vegetarian. I'm a fan because shes aware of this simple concept and she's honest about it. She was an ordinary girl with intelligence and musical talent, but it was practicing this that is responsible for how big she got.
It's baffling to me how the majority of pop stars don't appear to have any knowledge of something so powerful and lasting.
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
It's just a reflection of the current state the industry is in. Labels have been signing semi-good looking kids with absolutely no musical talent because they're popular on social media. What they don't understand, is social media followers are NOT a buying fan base. How come Ariana Grande has like 293838833828 followers and can't even go platinum in the US? Even with all those hits? How come Austin Mahone could get like 10 million views on his covers yet he's the definition of a flop? How come Shawn Mendes has like a massive array of fan girls following him on vine, YouTube, etc. and his album hasn't even sold 200k?? Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato are the most famous Disney girls at this point (behind Miley Cyrus obviously) and have MILLIONS upon MILLIONS following them on the Internet. Yet, their music flops every time.
The people that the industry are pushing are the absolute definition of mediocre. I personally think it's a HUGE reason why sales have dropped. The new "artists" are merely half-assed manufactured teenagers or young 20 somethings that don't have any star power or talent.
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I was going to get into this which is why I mentioned Instagram followers, but I didn't want my post to be so long people would be too lazy to read it.
This is honestly the core of it all, and it's truly a shame. Honestly, even I'm guilty of inflating how big I view an artist simply based off of their social media power. It has been given too much importance.
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Not going to address some of the points I saw in reply to the OP but regarding the OPs question:
The GP has shown they are NOT here for spectacle. Theatrics are turning pop audiences off nowadays, which is why you see less of them. Acts are just doing what the general populace reacts well to, ie more restrained looks and music
In short the more relatable/accessible the artist is, the more likely they are to be received well. Therefore you shave all the aspects that might turn people off. Not saying this is necessarily good or bad.
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Originally posted by ryanpittman97
Comparing Ariana to Britney
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they both can dance and sing at the same time
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Nick will always be iconic to me because of his vocals alone. Haters will disagree but it's whatever.
Though I kinda know what you mean. I really hate to say it too because I love music and I want to get excited about music overall again but the industry is kinda basic now.
I have even seen this in my faves. I still love them and I will always support them but I remember for example when Joe Jonas wore white pants ray bans gold jackets..all this colorful wardrobe. He is kinda bringing it back though with his newly died blue hair and I recognize that he did grow up but still... I remember Nick's fashion too. He was never colorful like Joe but he would sometimes wear vests and this one reddish jacket ensemble. Now he just wears like you say jeans and a t shirt or a horrid turtleneck. It's like he doesn't care anymore. He used to be more formal than he is now.
Don't even get me started on Britney. I often think she doesn't want to be in the industry anymore.
I hate sounding like the whiny fans too but I feel like even Simple Plan may have suffered the same fate to an extent. Hits like Welcome to My Life Perfect...nothing like that from them now.
Maybe some of it is nostalgia talking because I can be nostalgic but I really don't think it's ALL nostalgia.
We have to remember though that controversy can also be old. You can't be iconic all the time. Lady Gaga knew this so that's why she stopped doing things like the meat dress and the egg. People got really bored of her. Having periods of being basic makes the iconic moments all the more special.
(That's kinda what 8th Prince said but I was typing this before I saw their post)
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
It's just a reflection of the current state the industry is in. Labels have been signing semi-good looking kids with absolutely no musical talent because they're popular on social media. What they don't understand, is social media followers are NOT a buying fan base. How come Ariana Grande has like 293838833828 followers and can't even go platinum in the US? Even with all those hits? How come Austin Mahone could get like 10 million views on his covers yet he's the definition of a flop? How come Shawn Mendes has like a massive array of fan girls following him on vine, YouTube, etc. and his album hasn't even sold 200k?? Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato are the most famous Disney girls at this point (behind Miley Cyrus obviously) and have MILLIONS upon MILLIONS following them on the Internet. Yet, their music flops every time.
The people that the industry are pushing are the absolute definition of mediocre. I personally think it's a HUGE reason why sales have dropped. The new "artists" are merely half-assed manufactured teenagers or young 20 somethings that don't have any star power or talent.
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Completely agree with this, the music industry is a bit of a mess right now, hopefully the future artists born in the 00's will bring it, 'cos the ones born in the 90's are quite lackluster with a few exceptions of course.
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Originally posted by Aquarlefty
Nick will always be iconic to me because of his vocals alone. Haters will disagree but it's whatever.
Though I kinda know what you mean. I really hate to say it too because I love music and I want to get excited about music overall again but the industry is kinda basic now.
I have even seen this in my faves. I still love them and I will always support them but I remember for example when Joe Jonas wore white pants ray bans gold jackets..all this colorful wardrobe. He is kinda bringing it back though with his newly died blue hair and I recognize that he did grow up but still... I remember Nick's fashion too. He was never colorful like Joe but he would sometimes wear vests and this one reddish jacket ensemble. Now he just wears like you say jeans and a t shirt or a horrid turtleneck. It's like he doesn't care anymore. He used to be more formal than he is now.
Don't even get me started on Britney. I often think she doesn't want to be in the industry anymore.
I hate sounding like the whiny fans too but I feel like even Simple Plan may have suffered the same fate to an extent. Hits like Welcome to My Life Perfect...nothing like that from them now.
Maybe some of it is nostalgia talking because I can be nostalgic but I really don't think it's ALL nostalgia.
We have to remember though that controversy can also be old. You can't be iconic all the time. Lady Gaga knew this so that's why she stopped doing things like the meat dress and the egg. People got really bored of her. Having periods of being basic makes the iconic moments all the more special.
(That's kinda what 8th Prince said but I was typing this before I saw their post)
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I agree with you on Nick in terms of his voice, actually. But that is associated with The Jonas Brothers, not Nick. It doesn't seem like he knows/knew the concept of iconic, though. Most of the time things become iconic accidentally. What I'm discussing is how and why know one seems to know how or care about making something iconic when it's really simple
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I kind of think that everybody is striving for that iconic moment now. Everybody is trying to do something outrageous and flashy to stand out to the point that it all becomes so very boring. Actual performing skills, the things like live singing and dancing that actually work to make a iconic performance, are being put on the backburner for whatever will be immediately controversial and attention grabbing.
Yeah we had these types of performances in the past: Britney's Slave performance at the VMA's, Madonna's Like A Virgin, Michael's moonwalk, but these were the result of excellent performers that did something different from the norm already on the top of a great performance. Sure somebody might get lucky like Miley twerking on Robin Thicke, but it all gets so exhausting and tiring when we see The Weeknd set a stage on fire, Ariana do a homage to old Hollywood, and Meghan Trainor and Charlie Puth make-out that it all gets tiring and exhausting. It's the reason why I think that Adele is smashing right now. Her music is just unfussy, and she does everything straight-forward with her focus on her songs that she sticks out from everybody else. Nobody is keeping things relatively simple anymore like Adele and that makes everything blend together more or less.
tl;dr: everybody is trying to be controversial without putting emphasis on their performance first so that nobody really sticks out.
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And when Beyoncé tries for that iconic status, you all scream that she's overrated.
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Meh, people still are trying to be iconic and have iconic moments you just have a very skewed biased perspective on what is iconic and who is iconic.
Bottom line: LG5 will be released at some point buddy so the second it drops you can say people are trying to iconic again.
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
It's just a reflection of the current state the industry is in. Labels have been signing semi-good looking kids with absolutely no musical talent because they're popular on social media. What they don't understand, is social media followers are NOT a buying fan base. How come Ariana Grande has like 293838833828 followers and can't even go platinum in the US? Even with all those hits? How come Austin Mahone could get like 10 million views on his covers yet he's the definition of a flop? How come Shawn Mendes has like a massive array of fan girls following him on vine, YouTube, etc. and his album hasn't even sold 200k?? Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato are the most famous Disney girls at this point (behind Miley Cyrus obviously) and have MILLIONS upon MILLIONS following them on the Internet. Yet, their music flops every time.
The people that the industry are pushing are the absolute definition of mediocre. I personally think it's a HUGE reason why sales have dropped. The new "artists" are merely half-assed manufactured teenagers or young 20 somethings that don't have any star power or talent.
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Not everyone can be Ciara
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I agree. We have a lot of forgettable people in the industry right now.
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
I'll give credit where credit is due. Her first album is actually quite good and she was shaping up to be a huge breakout star until she decided to go down the easy route and Max Martin-ify her music, and Katy Perry 2.0 her image. Sorry, at this point, there's nothing groundbreaking or special about Ariana Grande. And she is also the definition of manufactured, idk how you define that word but most people would probably consider her it..
Britney Spears is the definition of teen icon done RIGHT. Britney in her peak literally takes dumps on the current crop of tweenybop girls, such as Ariana, Demi, Selena, etc. Again, everyone nowadays is so damn half-assed and mediocre
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You're on the go!
When she was R&B she was amazing. I was willing to stan for her first album but then she came with her second one.... Comparisons with a legend who is Mariah is always better than the basic pop route that everyone safely runs on.
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Originally posted by wesleywalrus
Not everyone can be Ciara
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Preach
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Laziness and lack of talent
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When you're trying to appeal to the widest audience you have to be as generic as possible. Doesn't leave room for iconic moments really.
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It's Adele's moment.
Also, my girl Gwen is having her moment too and I'm happy for her.
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Originally posted by Bloomers
I kind of think that everybody is striving for that iconic moment now. Everybody is trying to do something outrageous and flashy to stand out to the point that it all becomes so very boring. Actual performing skills, the things like live singing and dancing that actually work to make a iconic performance, are being put on the backburner for whatever will be immediately controversial and attention grabbing.
Yeah we had these types of performances in the past: Britney's Slave performance at the VMA's, Madonna's Like A Virgin, Michael's moonwalk, but these were the result of excellent performers that did something different from the norm already on the top of a great performance. Sure somebody might get lucky like Miley twerking on Robin Thicke, but it all gets so exhausting and tiring when we see The Weeknd set a stage on fire, Ariana do a homage to old Hollywood, and Meghan Trainor and Charlie Puth make-out that it all gets tiring and exhausting. It's the reason why I think that Adele is smashing right now. Her music is just unfussy, and she does everything straight-forward with her focus on her songs that she sticks out from everybody else. Nobody is keeping things relatively simple anymore like Adele and that makes everything blend together more or less.
tl;dr: everybody is trying to be controversial without putting emphasis on their performance first so that nobody really sticks out.
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Miley twerking on Robin Thicke wouldn't have been iconic without the visuals. Nobody gets the visual part. There always has to be a visual aspect to it because at the end of the day people need a distinguishable visual memory of the moment.
The only exception I can think of which doesn't heavily rely off of visuals is Kanye interrupting Taylor Swift, but in 30 years that will be long forgotten whereas Michael Jackson's red jacket will be still remembered.
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