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Celeb News: ''Mariah is a genius, better than Madonna''-James Packer
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
Here in SA she is treated like a pop god though?
Michael and Whitney were also disrespected during their lives. Once Madonna dies, she'll get her fair part. Don't worry about it.
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I don't know where SA is but where ever that is good for them. Difference is not matter how low Whitney or Michael were they were never branded as "talentless" or "desperate for attention." A junkie, sure. A man-child yep. Even as much as I hate to say it a pedophile, guarenteed. But "talentless?" Even at their lowest no one dared to question their talent or impact on the music industry. Since they have both died of course a lot of the negative has gone away and we focus on the talent and impact with them just as we did with them in their primes. That's the difference between them and Madonna. When Madonna dies what makes you think she will be respected for her talent when she's never even been respected for it while she's alive? She has always been seen as an attention seeker in life, even in her prime, what makes you think people won't see her as an attention seeker in death?
In short the level of respect she's gotten from the general public was never as high as Michael's or Whitney's in the first place, even in her prime, what makes you think it will be that high when she dies?
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Why do I feel like KingKunta didn't join ATRL to have a good time?
OT: Both icons. Let it be.
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I'm a Madonna fan, but Mariah has more talent.
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
Can we PLEASE not have another thread over who's the better write because you'll never agree with one another.
You're allowed too say who you think is the better writer but don't have too bring down either of them to prove your point.
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Oh please.
Mariah writes her music and ALSO brings the to life with amazing vocals. Mimi is miles ahead. Most of Madonna's catalogue is so in your face. Its like shes talking in the song, she just says it how it is, and what she thinks. She doesn't leave anything for you to decipher, study or make your own interpretation of. She lacks in the metaphor and analogy department. Mimi is also amazing at writing catchy things, story telling in a song and as a pop singer thats gold. Also mimi's poems/monologues >>>>>>
Why are people having hard time understand this?
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Originally posted by mrmikefern
Why do I feel like KingKunta didn't join ATRL to have a good time?
OT: Both icons. Let it be.
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Is it because I don't talk like a 8th grader that reads Tigerbeat and strickly listens to top 40 radio? I'll take that as a compliment.
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HE did NOT lie.
Mariah is a genius singer and writer who used her GOD gift voice as a tool to demonstrate crazy harmonies, whistles and runs, which " not every body has that " .
spending 30 million on production, costumes and visuals does not determine your quality as a performer.
at some point , a performer has got to strip the manufactured material and show the true stage self to impress everybody , Tina turner and pink r perfect examples for REAL performers
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i love them both. Mariah reaches me deeper tho. Her songs define my soul and who i am and where i am going to go as a person. Madonna's music are more like a soundtrack for me, for when i do things, she rarely creates moods for me, personally. She is great! I love seeing her perform. And the longer her career continues to smash the world, the more she grows on me as a person. Mariah is my soulmate tho.
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Originally posted by KingKunta
I don't know where SA is but where ever that is good for them. Difference is not matter how low Whitney or Michael were they were never branded as "talentless" or "desperate for attention." A junkie, sure. A man-child yep. Even as much as I hate to say it a pedophile, guarenteed. But "talentless?" Even at their lowest no one dared to question their talent or impact on the music industry. Since they have both died of course a lot of the negative has gone away and we focus on the talent and impact with them just as we did with them in their primes. That's the difference between them and Madonna. When Madonna dies what makes you think she will be respected for her talent when she's never even been respected for it while she's alive? She has always been seen as an attention seeker in life, even in her prime, what makes you think people won't see her as an attention seeker in death?
In short the level of respect she's gotten from the general public was never as high as Michael's or Whitney's in the first place, even in her prime, what makes you think it will be that high when she dies?
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SA = South America
Sweetie, people may drag the **** out of Madonna because of her personality but they KNOW how influential she is, how IMPORTANT she is/was to pop music, and they sometimes can even praise her "80s gems". For example, my parents think she's an attention seeking ***** but they admit that she basically build the house all these current popstars live on.
I've never seen someone actually call her talentless but that's a nice way to shade M kingkunta, you've already convinced yourself of this fanfic, good luck trying to convince someone else though.
Even if she's not respected by the gp (she is though) it doesn't matter because her legacy and impact (which is greater than Mariah's) will live forever, the media knows it, the gp know it, you know it. The most successful and acclaimed female artist of all time isn't bothered.
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calling Madonna talentless is pure sh!t talk and ridiculous. James Packer should have shut his trap. That was so not necessary. I also agree on the fact that Madonna had greater impact overall.
But I cannot stand it when Madonna fans invade all kind of MC threads calling her local or claiming ridiculous other stuff. They would rather eat glass than admit that Mariah shaped her genre as well. And that she is one of the greatest female vocalists the world has ever known. That puts me off.
madonnanation is a pithole from hell.. they even shade queen Kylie over there and everyone else. It's a disgrace.
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
SA = South America
Sweetie, people may drag the **** out of Madonna because of her personality but they KNOW how influential she is, how IMPORTANT she is/was to pop music, and they sometimes can even praise her "80s gems". For example, my parents think she's an attention seeking ***** but they admit that she basically build the house all these current popstars live on.
I've never seen someone actually call her talentless but that's a nice way to shade M kingkunta, you've already convinced yourself of this fanfic, good luck trying to convince someone else though.
Even if she's not respected by the gp (she is though) it doesn't matter because her legacy and impact (which is greater than Mariah's) will live forever, the media knows it, the gp know it, you know it. The most successful and acclaimed female artist of all time isn't bothered.
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Yeah for all the wrong reason. She gave sh!t load of people who have little-no vocal talent that they can make it big with the right team behind you. That's what she's known for so ofc more people will relate to that then someone like Mariah who made is with amazing talents and voice. How many basic artist can pull of Madonna songs?... A LOT.
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Originally posted by JesusORGod
Yeah for all the wrong reason. She gave sh!t load of people who have little-no vocal talent that they can make it big with the right team behind you. That's what she's known for so ofc more people will relate to that then someone like Mariah who made is with amazing talents and voice. How many basic artist can pull of Madonna songs?... A LOT.
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OT: Madonna is a legend and a better artist/writer than Mariah so I disagree with his quote
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Originally posted by stevyy
calling Madonna talentless is pure sh!t talk and ridiculous. James Packer should have shut his trap. That was so not necessary. I also agree on the fact that Madonna had greater impact overall.
But I cannot stand it when Madonna fans invade all kind of MC threads calling her local or claiming ridiculous other stuff. They would rather eat glass than admit that Mariah shaped her genre as well. And that she is one of the greatest female vocalists the world has ever known. That puts me off.
madonnanation is a pithole from hell.. they even shade queen Kylie over there and everyone else. It's a disgrace.
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I definitely agree that Mariah is very important and influential but the thing is these Mariah stans in here leave no room for us to actually praise her, they're the most abrasive fanbase in ATRL, always calling Madonna talentless and old and other stuff. It's really off-putting.
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Originally posted by stevyy
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madonnanation is a pithole from hell.. they even shade queen Kylie over there and everyone else. It's a disgrace.
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I think you'll find most Madge fans here will agree with this assessment of MNation.
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
Cool
OT: Madonna is a legend and a better artist/writer than Mariah so I disagree with his quote
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She's not but whatever makes you sleep at night.
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
SA = South America
Sweetie, people may drag the **** out of Madonna because of her personality but they KNOW how influential she is, how IMPORTANT she is/was to pop music, and they sometimes can even praise her "80s gems". For example, my parents think she's an attention seeking ***** but they admit that she basically build the house all these current popstars live on.
I've never seen someone actually call her talentless but that's a nice way to shade M kingkunta, you've already convinced yourself of this fanfic, good luck trying to convince someone else though.
Even if she's not respected by the gp (she is though) it doesn't matter because her legacy and impact (which is greater than Mariah's) will live forever, the media knows it, the gp know it, you know it. The most successful and acclaimed female artist of all time isn't bothered.
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If you want to label what I right fanfiction then that's all in your hands. I have nothing to do with your clearly biased and blinded opinion. If you have really never seen someone call Madonna talentless, even though you are on this thing called the internet and the evidence is all around you that is again not my problem. You can't force a person to see something they don't want to. Also honey why would I need to convince people of what i'm saying, when they are the ones that said it first? The general public has been the subject of my entire argument, where have you been?
Also I find your last paragraph particularly intriguing first of all because you say "even if she's not respect by the general public" and then comment "she is." What was the point of even writing that if you were going to turn around say it doesn't matter anyway? You obviously care or you wouldn't have bothered to write that. Also the "she is" admittedly made me laugh a bit. How you're clearly trying to convince yourself that she is respected by the gp even though you know the truth otherwise you wouldn't have bothered to say that either. God I love mind games!
Also that's great! If she isn't worried or as you put it "bothered" if she is respected by the general public while she is alive then i'm pretty sure the genral public isn't going to be worried about it either, in life or death. Also by the way all that success and critical acclamation, well really just success since most of the gp doesn't care about critical acclaim doesn't determine how remembered or iconic something is, won't mean anything if she isn't remembered or respected enough for anyone to care. It'll all be for nothing, think about it.
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Originally posted by JesusORGod
She's not but whatever makes you sleep at night.
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The media (aka people who actually matter) agree with me (hence why she's out there making GOAT lists for both artists and songwriters) so I'll sleep tight thnx
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Originally posted by JesusORGod
Yeah for all the wrong reason. She gave sh!t load of people who have little-no vocal talent that they can make it big with the right team behind you. That's what she's known for so ofc more people will relate to that then someone like Mariah who made is with amazing talents and voice. How many basic artist can pull of Madonna songs?... A LOT.
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Yeah, Mariah is one of the most influential vocalists in popular music, thats true.
Singing isnt the only talent there is though, sis. Madonna is extremely influential, creative and experimental musically and also visually, thats undeniable. She is one of the most acclaimed and respected female music artists of all time for a reason, so lets not...
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
The media (aka people who actually matter) agree with me (hence why she's out there making GOAT lists for both artists and songwriters) so I'll sleep tight thnx
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Why does the media matter to you but the general public doesn't? If the media and the general public don't agree then what's the point? The media means a lot but at the end of the day the power rests in the hands of the people. That might sound like something out of a superhero movie but it's the truth.
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People keep saying Madonna is this great writer, like what are the examples of this? All her lyrics seem super basic
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