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Discussion: When did Jennifer Lopez become a legend/icon?
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Since all the Tumblr kids began this "why am I not Beyonce" thing and then social media ran after ha. A shame it was only temporary
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She was an icon by IASF. She isn't a legend JUST yet, but give it another era or two and she will be.
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Lol
Icon? Yes.
Legend? Nah, she is not there hun.
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Originally posted by *-ChriZ-*
I dont get the whole legend debate. She clearly IS a legend, whether you like it or not. Shes been dominiating RnB since her beginnings, which means for almost 20 years. She has influenced RnB like none other. She's inarguably the Queen of RnB. Of course shes a legend. You do consider the Queen of Soul a legend, and you do consider the Queen of Pop a legend, so theres no point in not considering the Queen of RnB a legend (who's had also so much success in Pop for that matter and has confirmed her success over and over and over again). Bey is legend. She has the performances, the awards, the talent, the acclaim & respect, the influence, the sales, the iconic classics, the albums. It all screams legend. Fullstop.
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Janet, Mary and Mariah say hi
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Lol
Icon? Yes.
Legend? Nah, she is not there hun.
Janet, Mary and Mariah say hi
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Not ever since Bey became a thing with DC tho. Bey has dominated every single award show in the RnB section, has been a strong force to bring back and stick to RnB when everyone was doing electro and acoustic stuff, has been super-successfull without bandwaggoning, etc..
I acknowledge Janet's, Mary's and Mariah's input to RnB, but Bey rly owned RnB since her debut. I think the only time she was overshadowed in this section was during Mariahs Emancipation of Mimi Phase, but thats about it. I rly do believe Bey is for most music listeners the current face of RnB, especially regarding female acts.
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Some time during IASF era
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If people say Britney is a legend then ofc Beyoncé is.
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If Brit has two kids, then ofc bey does too?
Doesn't work that way, Hun. Your fave would need to have an album that has sold more than Brits greatest hits to even come close.
Why does everything around bey revolve around Brit with the hive? I get Brits the standard but..
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Icon: Single Ladies
She's not a legend, or even close to legendary status
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Originally posted by *-ChriZ-*
Not ever since Bey became a thing with DC tho. Bey has dominated every single award show in the RnB section, has been a strong force to bring back and stick to RnB when everyone was doing electro and acoustic stuff, has been super-successfull without bandwaggoning, etc..
I acknowledge Janet's, Mary's and Mariah's input to RnB, but Bey rly owned RnB since her debut. I think the only time she was overshadowed in this section was during Mariahs Emancipation of Mimi Phase, but thats about it. I rly do believe Bey is for most music listeners the current face of RnB, especially regarding female acts.
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She isnt an undisputed Queen of RnB just because Grammys are kissing her ass or because she is sticking to the genre (as if the other ladies mentioned dont stick to RnB lol). Its not only about awards or public appeal (her safe image and top notch marketing have a much bigger influence on that than her music tbh), its also about shaping, influencing, impacting and popularizing the genre and those ladies you claim to acknowledge (its evident from your comment that you dont btw) have done much more for RnB than Bey in this case (including dominating the genre for more than a decade with huge success). So lets not.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
She isnt an undisputed Queen of RnB just because Grammys are kissing her ass or because she is sticking to the genre (as if the other ladies mentioned dont stick to RnB lol). Its not only about awards or public appeal (her safe image and top notch marketing have a much bigger influence on that than her music tbh), its also about shaping, influencing, impacting and popularizing the genre and those ladies you claim to acknowledge (its evident from your comment that you dont btw) have done much more for RnB than Bey in this case (including dominating the genre for more than a decade with huge success). So lets not.
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Only because u believe Grammys are worth nothing (at least it seems thats ur opinion), doesnt mean the GP believes that. At the end of the day, everytime people will talk about Bey in the future or now, they will bring up those 20 (+ in future) Grammys.
Furthermore, you say its also about shaping, influencing, impacting and popularizing the genre. This ALL applies to Bey. You dont want me to list all the artists and musicians who have said ON camera that they feel inspired and influenced by her. Then theres the whole thing about the rap-singing, which was already discussed in another thread. Of course Bey didnt invent it, but she was a major force in popularizing this trend in RnB. Then we have the performance aspect, where Bey is, and that is also a well-known fact, considered to be the best in the industry right now (I am very aware P!nk gets rightfully tons of praise too, but at least to me Beys media presence and critical responses to her performance-level are simply more). That is also impact. And for you to claim Mary had more impact on RnB than Bey is bull and you know it. I won't put down what Janet did for this genre, neither will I put down and deny Mariah's incredible career. This still does not imply that Bey hasn't done anything.
By the way, Bey's career and impact on RnB is not to be set against Mariah's and Janet's, since the latter are part from a different generation anyways. Bey is 2000+ and during this time, her impact and influence goes FAR beyond Mariah's or Janet's, whose prime have been the 1980's & 1990's. So I dont see why we have to put those three against each other. They do not even overlap this much.
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I don't understand why one would call Britney Spears a legend, and then say Beyonce isn't one. This site is so ridiculous sometimes.
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Originally posted by *-ChriZ-*
Only because u believe Grammys are worth nothing (at least it seems thats ur opinion), doesnt mean the GP believes that. At the end of the day, everytime people will talk about Bey in the future or now, they will bring up those 20 (+ in future) Grammys.
Furthermore, you say its also about shaping, influencing, impacting and popularizing the genre. This ALL applies to Bey. You dont want me to list all the artists and musicians who have said ON camera that they feel inspired and influenced by her. Then theres the whole thing about the rap-singing, which was already discussed in another thread. Of course Bey didnt invent it, but she was a major force in popularizing this trend in RnB. Then we have the performance aspect, where Bey is, and that is also a well-known fact, considered to be the best in the industry right now (I am very aware P!nk gets rightfully tons of praise too, but at least to me Beys media presence and critical responses to her performance-level are simply more). That is also impact. And for you to claim Mary had more impact on RnB than Bey is bull and you know it. I won't put down what Janet did for this genre, neither will I put down and deny Mariah's incredible career. This still does not imply that Bey hasn't done anything.
By the way, Bey's career and impact on RnB is not to be set against Mariah's and Janet's, since the latter are part from a different generation anyways. Bey is 2000+ and during this time, her impact and influence goes FAR beyond Mariah's or Janet's, whose prime have been the 1980's & 1990's. So I dont see why we have to put those three against each other. They do not even overlap this much.
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Reading comprehension hun. I havent told that Bey hasnt done anything, I have said that those three did much more for RnB including having comparable or bigger success and being respected, and you have agreed with it, well, kind of, so that ATRL stan essay of yours was completely unnecessary. I will ignore that Mary shade which is not true at all... Maybe you should make some research on her and about her huge contribution to RnB, because that statement was embarrassing af.
I just said that calling Bey the Queen of RnB isnt as inarguable as you think. Thats all. Have a nice day
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I will stand by my word tho cause I dont see any competition for that spot since the millenium. I know its an overall title, but if I were you, I wouldnt be so sure that Janet or Mariah are more of Queens of RnB than Bey.
And I also dont say Mary had no contribution to RnB, but compared to Bey, its less.
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Originally posted by *-ChriZ-*
I will stand by my word tho cause I dont see any competition for that spot since the millenium. I know its an overall title, but if I were you, I wouldnt be so sure that Janet or Mariah are more of Queens of RnB than Bey.
And I also dont say Mary had no contribution to RnB, but compared to Bey, its less.
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What even... Mary ****ing invented whats called RnB today ffs... I cant...
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Originally posted by Bríseis
What even... Mary ****ing invented whats called RnB today ffs... I cant...
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Maybe I do have to look her up a bit cause I have to admit I dont know much about her (which kinda says sth about her impact too). I do have to add that Im from Europe and here, Mary has not really been super successfull.
Anyways, its not like only one person can be a legend at a time. To stay on topic, I think its safe to say Bey is already a legend for various reasons. Thats all.
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She became an icon after Single Ladies exploded in the way that she did.
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