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Discussion: Lil'Kim Vs Foxy Vs Nicki (who's The BEST female MC)
Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by Ibeezinit
Quit reaching sis. In 10 years ,If Jay Z , Kanye & Nicki performed Monster the crowd would go bizzare also it's not just Lil Kim who can hype a crowd. Nicki just got done performing for 100k
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And Kim is still the better performer with actual stage presence, meanwhile Nicki is lip syncing to Monster 😂😂😂
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Member Since: 2/7/2014
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Originally posted by Flare
Kim can't even compare with Cam'ron, Mos Def, DMX, Nelly, Snoop, etc.
Kim is not comparable to male rappers in any way. Her biggest assest is being a female, that's what 90% of her lyricism and style are about. Nicki and Foxy can rap about real topics like death, depression, drug-abuse, and family, as well as being a female and being sexual and making hot fun party hits. That's why Foxy was always ahead of Kim in the talent department and the success would have followed if she didn't go to jail.
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Yess. Kim only made a lane for Female rap that's about it. And her fan base relies on a few hot verses to make it seem like she slays other female rappers. Never can she Outshine a song with Kanye and Jay
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Originally posted by Materialboy215
And Kim is still the better performer with actual stage presence, meanwhile Nicki is lip syncing to Monster 😂😂😂
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Lmaoo what do u mean ? Yea maybe because Nicki delivered harder on the track , so she' needs to breathe gosh. and Lil Kim barely rapped her verse, the crowd kept that **** lit. 💀
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by Ibeezinit
She obviously wouldn't be the same artist. Nicki is a 2010 artist. Drake also wouldn't survive in the 90's. And they literally only have more album sales stop downplaying Nicki.
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She wouldn't have survived cause she stole her whole image from Kim that's why & also back then the GP saw right thru gimmickry & trickery 😜
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Ibeezinit
Because yall act like Nicki would be doomed in Kim and Missy era. For one , her album sales (all she needs ) would be higher since that was the album era.
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The fact Nicki is outselling Kim and Foxy's discography when album sales are more than 50 times worse now.
Let's not put sales into this argument of talent. It would only benefit Nicki honestly.
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Member Since: 4/26/2012
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Originally posted by Flare
Kim can't even compare with Cam'ron, Mos Def, DMX, Nelly, Snoop, etc.
Kim is not comparable to male rappers in any way. Her biggest assest is being a female, that's what 90% of her lyricism and style are about. Nicki and Foxy can rap about real topics like death, depression, drug-abuse, and family, as well as being a female and being sexual and making hot fun party hits. That's why Foxy was always ahead of Kim in the talent department and the success would have followed if she didn't go to jail.
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Are you serious?
Did you not listen to NKIM at all?
Hell, Kim's collab with Queen Latifah and Macy is a very serious topic! That's not even all of it.
Do your research!!! These Barbz are just
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Originally posted by Flare
Kim can't even compare with Cam'ron, Mos Def, DMX, Nelly, Snoop, etc.
Kim is not comparable to male rappers in any way. Her biggest assest is being a female, that's what 90% of her lyricism and style are about. Nicki and Foxy can rap about real topics like death, depression, drug-abuse, and family, as well as being a female and being sexual and making hot fun party hits. That's why Foxy was always ahead of Kim in the talent department and the success would have followed if she didn't go to jail.
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Kim has also tackled a number of other topics in her album tracks, but that's beyond the point. Every rapper can have their own style, that doesn't mean they should be discredited if their style is feminine.
As for Kim not matching her male peers, her verse on AATB is still the highlight and the most remembered part of the song and the same could be said for her Quiet Storm remix verse.
Foxy was never ahead of Kim. She outsold her and has twice as many hits as a lead artist. The only moment when Foxy was ahead of Kim was when she got a #1 album in '98, but then it dropped like a rock and the second single flopped. Bare in mind I love me some Foxy, but facts are facts.
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Member Since: 2/7/2014
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Originally posted by Materialboy215
She wouldn't have survived cause she stole her whole image from Kim that's why & also back then the GP saw right thru gimmickry & trickery 😜
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Girl bye. Nickis success is wayyyyy bigger than Kims. Nicki can compete with Missy tho.
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Member Since: 2/7/2014
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Originally posted by Flare
The fact Nicki is outselling Kim and Foxy's discography when album sales are more than 50 times worse now.
Let's not put sales into this argument of talent. It would only benefit Nicki honestly.
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And the fact Nicki is at least top 3 most successful RAPPER of our time not female , but RAPPER.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by Ibeezinit
Lil Kim made the lane for female rap and Nicki paved thru that MF and set it to a whole nother level. Bye bitch.
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Your fav stole her whole swag she worst than a Klepto
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Member Since: 2/7/2014
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Originally posted by Materialboy215
Your fav stole her whole swag she worst than a Klepto
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Girl bye. What is this 2009? She stole that MF And upgraded 😂😂girl bye.
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I don't get the "whole another level" and "upgrade" comments when she needed to cross over to pop to do it.
And good for her. She was business savvy and managed to strike while the iron was hot to go global. But one can't claim she took the female rap lane to the next level when half of her big global hits are not rap
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Member Since: 4/26/2012
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Originally posted by Truth Teller
I don't get the "whole another level" and "upgrade" comments when she needed to cross over to pop to do it.
And good for her. She was business savvy and managed to strike while the iron was hot to go global. But one can't claim she took the female rap lane to the next level when half of her big global hits are not rap
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Exactly! Aren't Super Bass and Starships POP songs?
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Member Since: 2/7/2014
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Originally posted by Truth Teller
I don't get the "whole another level" and "upgrade" comments when she needed to cross over to pop to do it.
And good for her. She was business savvy and managed to strike while the iron was hot to go global. But one can't claim she took the female rap lane to the next level when half of her big global hits are not rap
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Well duh. What do you expect , hardcore rap can't extend to that point. Kim should've hopped on a track with Britney or Christina. But was her brand big enough ?
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Originally posted by Rogue
Exactly! Aren't Super Bass and Starships POP songs?
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So what. Super bass and starships didn't stop her from wantinf Male rappers on their tracks.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Ibeezinit
Well duh. What do you expect , hardcore rap can't extend to that point. Kim should've hopped on a track with Britney or Christina. But was her brand big enough ?
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Kim did hop on a track with Christina. Two of them actually. One of them was a Grammy winning global smash and the other one was also a hit in all the markets where they released it.
Nicki did the smart thing by branching out. Kim had the chance to do it in 2002 / 2003 after her Grammy, but she chose to release La Bella Mafia, an album that is 100% rap, no pop, hardly any hooks, barely any radio driven songs. Noone knows what would have happened if she had come back with some Eve-like radio friendly smashes.
Regardless, it's a fact that the majority of Nicki's huge ww hits are not actually rap, so of course Kim's stats, which come from a discography that's 80 - 90% solely rap, can't compare.
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I'm positive Truth Teller and Rogue didn't actually read the post they quoted because they literally explained what I already said. MAJORITY of Kim's songs are from a feminine hypersexual styling. I never said ALL therefore Rogue's post is a waste.
Then Truth Teller is talking about sales (of Foxy vs Kim) when I clearly stated Foxy was ahead talent wise (metacritic agrees and even before that, you could manually compare album reviews oop) and I said the sales would have came if she had not gone to jail (since people in the rap world/media were warming up to Foxy big time and realizing how underrated Broken Silence was years after the fact).
Thank you for your time but read the post before quoting it and saying something already addressed.
EDIT: " As for Kim not matching her male peers, her verse on AATB is still the highlight and the most remembered part of the song and the same could be said for her Quiet Storm remix verse."
This is all stan bs. I only go by critics and actual sales not internet rumors and what her clear stans feel about her. Monster (Nicki's verse specifically) was officially deemed by many actual music publications as the best verse of that year and even the 2010s so far. Billboard, Vice, Complex, Rolling Stone and more have said some variation of that statement. No one has ever said that about those Kim verses so stop it.
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Member Since: 2/7/2014
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Originally posted by Truth Teller
Kim did hop on a track with Christina. Two of them actually. One of them was a Grammy winning global smash and the other one was also a hit in all the markets where they released it.
Nicki did the smart thing by branching out. Kim had the chance to do it in 2002 / 2003 after her Grammy, but she chose to release La Bella Mafia, an album that is 100% rap, no pop, hardly any hooks, barely any radio driven songs. Noone knows what would have happened if she had come back with some Eve-like radio friendly smashes.
Regardless, it's a fact that the majority of Nicki's huge ww hits are not actually rap, so of course Kim's stats, which come from a discography that's 80 - 90% solely rap, can't compare.
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But Nickis debut single out peaked all of Kims solo singles ?
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Member Since: 3/5/2014
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Originally posted by ririfan21
Nicki Minaj
Your shade in the OP is already starting something.
Oh and Oops Kim haven't got a #1 album since the last decade
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And your fave hasn't had a platinum certified album since her debut. After how many singles, tours, collaborations?
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Flare
I'm positive Truth Teller and Rogue didn't actually read the post they quoted because they literally explained what I already said. MAJORITY of Kim's songs are from a feminine hypersexual styling. I never said ALL therefore Rogue's post is a waste.
Then Truth Teller is talking about sales (of Foxy vs Kim) when I clearly stated Foxy was ahead talent wise (metacritic agrees and even before that, you could manually compare album reviews oop) and I said the sales would have came if she had not gone to jail (since people were warming up to Foxy big time and realizing how underrated Broken Silence was years after the fact).
Thank you for your time but read the post before quoting it and saying something already addressed.
EDIT: " As for Kim not matching her male peers, her verse on AATB is still the highlight and the most remembered part of the song and the same could be said for her Quiet Storm remix verse."
This is all stan bs. I only go by critics and actual sales not internet rumors and what her clear stans feel about her. Monster (Nicki's verse specifically) was officially deemed by many actual music publications as the best verse of that year and even the 2010s so far. Billboard, Vice, Complex, Rolling Stone and more have said some variation of that statement. No one has ever said that about those Kim verses so stop it.
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Chill
Kim is the one with the Grammy and Kim is the one with the 5-mic album, so I don't get how Foxy was ever more acclaimed. Didn't reviewers trash her sophomore? Sure, Broken Silence was a little more acclaimed than La Bella Mafia, but then Hardcore >>>>>>>> any Foxy album, so again, I have no idea where you're coming from.
As for the sales going up after Broken Silence, this is false. BS is an incredible album, yet it produced no Hot 100 entry or radio hit so Foxy was seen as an underperformer and lost her buzz. If she hadn't gone to jail, she would have maintained a cute career with a cult following and that's it.
As for your edit, it's laughable, unless you were a teenager or adult when AATB came out
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