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Member Since: 5/22/2011
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Originally posted by bowdown
Why do you refuse to vote for NDP or Liberals
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NDP, unless they can show me where they plan on getting all the money to fund the projects they want to implement, I'd rather Canada not go into bankruptcy. Ontario already had a NDP government and sucked us dry of all the money we had.
Liberals, I have a HUGE problem with him cancelling the income split. It doesn't seem he's aiding to the middle class at all by cancelling that. As well, his lack of experience and comments he's made has me terrified. I don't think he's terrible, but I think right now isn't the time to elect someone like him.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Thrilled to vote for the NDP! People who don't understand history & economics get fooled into thinking left wing = more debt, but the Conservatives / right have consistently put provinces and the country into debt, recession & deficit.
Also I plan on having children one day, so universal day care will mean I will have financial stability to do so... just like the NDP brought Canada health care, they're going to oust the conservatives and bring Canada to new heights!
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Member Since: 5/22/2011
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Originally posted by vanishingbee
Thrilled to vote for the NDP! People who don't understand history & economics get fooled into thinking left wing = more debt, but the Conservatives / right have consistently put provinces and the country into debt, recession & deficit.
Also I plan on having children one day, so universal day care will mean I will have financial stability to do so... just like the NDP brought Canada health care, they're going to oust the conservatives and bring Canada to new heights!
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If you understood history you'd know that NDP brought the worst debt to Ontario in the Provinces history and the government that came after them had to fix all their mistakes.
That's great that you want universal day care, but please tell me where the NDP plan on getting the money to implement this? They want to introduce all these amazing programs but don't want to explain how they plan on getting the finances to enforce such programs.
If the NDP do get it, which I pray to God they don't, Canada will be put into worse debt than they're already in now and only put us in a worst situation.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Mezik
NDP, unless they can show me where they plan on getting all the money to fund the projects they want to implement, I'd rather Canada not go into bankruptcy. Ontario already had a NDP government and sucked us dry of all the money we had.
Liberals, I have a HUGE problem with him cancelling the income split. It doesn't seem he's aiding to the middle class at all by cancelling that. As well, his lack of experience and comments he's made has me terrified. I don't think he's terrible, but I think right now isn't the time to elect someone like him.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/06...n_7562340.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/06...n_7597550.html
some info on the ndp economic plan...
cut small business tax, raise minimum wage. raising minimum wage makes people spend more money & stimulate the economy. Since we're in a recession, having the government invest in infrastructure now is historically the most effective way to get us out of it, which the NDP plans to do. End income splitting, which lets rich people pay less in taxes. Add 1% to gas tax, which will bring in huge money and encourage people to move away from cars, the most destructive & expensive means of transportation. Make sure we keep manufacturing goods, to become more like Germany/old Canada/old USA to have stable middle class jobs.
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Member Since: 5/22/2011
Posts: 21,227
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Originally posted by vanishingbee
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/06...n_7562340.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/06...n_7597550.html
some info on the ndp economic plan...
cut small business tax, raise minimum wage. raising minimum wage makes people spend more money & stimulate the economy. Since we're in a recession, having the government invest in infrastructure now is historically the most effective way to get us out of it, which the NDP plans to do. End income splitting, which lets rich people pay less in taxes. Add 1% to gas tax, which will bring in huge money and encourage people to move away from cars, the most destructive & expensive means of transportation. Make sure we keep manufacturing goods, to become more like Germany/old Canada/old USA to have stable middle class jobs.
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Raising minimum wage might make people spend more, but where is the government getting the finances to enforce this? The government can't decide one day "We're raising minimum wage by $4" without doing it at a steady rate.
Also income splitting doesn't only effect upper class, the middle class are screwed too. Right now my family is only gaining one income since my mom in unable to work for an indefinite amount of time, I'd rather both my parents only have to pay the taxes for an even amount of the income than all the taxes being applied to just one single income. When you're a family of five and one parent is unable to work, we need to effects of the income splitting.
I've read the NDP's plan, and I'd sooner vote for Trudeau than support a government that's historically proven to bankrupt provinces.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 2,069
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Originally posted by Mezik
If you understood history you'd know that NDP brought the worst debt to Ontario in the Provinces history and the government that came after them had to fix all their mistakes.
That's great that you want universal day care, but please tell me where the NDP plan on getting the money to implement this? They want to introduce all these amazing programs but don't want to explain how they plan on getting the finances to enforce such programs.
If the NDP do get it, which I pray to God they don't, Canada will be put into worse debt than they're already in now and only put us in a worst situation.
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You should do some reason on the realities of Bob Rae's time as premier.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1314254/
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/edito...is_a_myth.html
As for daycare... Quebec already has it. It's very doable, and actually saves money-- if you know any young parents, you know that it's usually more expensive or equally as expensive for a parent to go back to work as it costs to have them in daycare. That's why many people, especially if they're poor, do not go back to work after having children-- it is more cost effective to get money from the government and not work. By having childcare be cost effective, those people will go back to work and actually pay taxes again, rather than having the government pay them. It's actually a program that makes money by having people go back to work and pay taxes.
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politi...ld-care-policy
]http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-says-quality-affordable-child-care-just-an-election-away-1.2797570
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...e_program.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/quic...plan-1.2798328
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 2,069
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Originally posted by Mezik
Raising minimum wage might make people spend more, but where is the government getting the finances to enforce this? The government can't decide one day "We're raising minimum wage by $4" without doing it at a steady rate.
Also income splitting doesn't only effect upper class, the middle class are screwed too. Right now my family is only gaining one income since my mom in unable to work for an indefinite amount of time, I'd rather both my parents only have to pay the taxes for an even amount of the income than all the taxes being applied to just one single income. When you're a family of five and one parent is unable to work, we need to effects of the income splitting.
I've read the NDP's plan, and I'd sooner vote for Trudeau than support a government that's historically proven to bankrupt provinces.
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They've already got a plan to do it incrementally... Much like the NDP are doing it in Alberta. It would be $15/hr by 2019.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle20591535/
Income splitting effects the rich most, because if you make $70K/year and your spouse makes $70K/year, you make over $140K/year and you are in a higher tax bracket that costs more. The people who make $30K/year and $30K/year have a much smaller amount that changes going past iirc $50K/year than do people going over $125K/year. So it is giving the biggest help to the already wealthy, who can in fact pay the most in taxes.
The NDP are actually less likely to cause a deficit based on history: http://news.nationalpost.com/full-co...o-run-deficits
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
Posts: 5,639
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Originally posted by Mezik
If you understood history you'd know that NDP brought the worst debt to Ontario in the Provinces history and the government that came after them had to fix all their mistakes.
That's great that you want universal day care, but please tell me where the NDP plan on getting the money to implement this? They want to introduce all these amazing programs but don't want to explain how they plan on getting the finances to enforce such programs.
If the NDP do get it, which I pray to God they don't, Canada will be put into worse debt than they're already in now and only put us in a worst situation.
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I hope you do realize that provincial and federal governments are two completely separate things. Two completely different parties just under the same 'brand' persay. And the NDP has the best history of not causing deficits of the three main parties.
I'm saying this as someone who is from Ontario, and if I was old enough to vote I would be voting for the NDP.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 2,069
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Originally posted by LilyAllen
I hope you do realize that provincial and federal governments are two completely separate things. Two completely different parties just under the same 'brand' persay. And the NDP has the best history of not causing deficits of the three main parties.
I'm saying this as someone who is from Ontario, and if I was old enough to vote I would be voting for the NDP.
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If you really want to help out, you can volunteer... if you're in high school it counts toward your volunteer hours too!
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Member Since: 12/7/2011
Posts: 18,969
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King Harper accrued our country $159B in debt since 2006. Compared to $19 trillion, the US has accrued in just a few years since the Obama Administration.
Although, I'm lowkey wishing for a tuition freeze since I'm already in so much college debt.
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Member Since: 12/7/2011
Posts: 18,969
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Originally posted by vanishingbee
They've already got a plan to do it incrementally... Much like the NDP are doing it in Alberta. It would be $15/hr by 2019.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle20591535/
Income splitting effects the rich most, because if you make $70K/year and your spouse makes $70K/year, you make over $140K/year and you are in a higher tax bracket that costs more. The people who make $30K/year and $30K/year have a much smaller amount that changes going past iirc $50K/year than do people going over $125K/year. So it is giving the biggest help to the already wealthy, who can in fact pay the most in taxes.
The NDP are actually less likely to cause a deficit based on history: http://news.nationalpost.com/full-co...o-run-deficits
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I don't mind the wage increase, as we really do need it. I'd be extremely eager for $15/m wage. ddd;; I'd love to.
Although $15/hour is already how much many Tim Hortons supervisors/managers are already making, so i can understand how this change COULD shock the salary system.
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Member Since: 12/7/2011
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For now, I just want someone who WILL deduct my college loan, tbh
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
Posts: 5,639
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Originally posted by ABEL-o-matic
King Harper accrued our country $159B in debt since 2006. Compared to $19 trillion, the US has accrued in just a few years since the Obama Administration.
Although, I'm lowkey wishing for a tuition freeze since I'm already in so much college debt.
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I hope youre joking that 19 trillion is how much the US has total built up over the entire history of the country, not just Obama. Stats show that Harper gave the country more debt than any other leader ever, even though the previous Liberal government had a surplus
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Member Since: 11/18/2010
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Thanks for reminding me their raising minimum wage to $15/hr in Alberta. A higher minimum wage means the price of everything else is going to go up.
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Member Since: 11/18/2010
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Hollywood.
Thanks for reminding me their raising minimum wage to $15/hr in Alberta. A higher minimum wage means the price of everything else is going to go up.
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That's not true... with oil dropping and Canada's economy foolishly hyperfocused on oil production, the whole economy has gone down. Higher minimum wage will be even more helpful when Canada's dollar is so low.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Hollywood.
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Good thing to bring up... by deciding to have such a long election, the Conservatives & Harper have chosen to cost taxpayers millions more dollars, just to escape attack ads by angry Canadians directed at him.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...-campaign.html
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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my gawd,11 weeks 3 months of all this political nonsense. What a waste of money
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Vanishingbee dropping knowledge on these girls
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Member Since: 11/18/2010
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Originally posted by vanishingbee
That's not true... with oil dropping and Canada's economy foolishly hyperfocused on oil production, the whole economy has gone down. Higher minimum wage will be even more helpful when Canada's dollar is so low.
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Yeah it will. Businesses will all raise their prices if they have to pay their employees more money.
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