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Originally posted by Kavish
I am by no means defending Christianity because I'm against religion. But wasn't Jesus tortured too? Do Christian terrorists claim that they are killing because Jesus or the Bible told them to do so?
I'm back to my previous claims. No matter the on-goings in Muhammad's life, he did start Islam on the basis of war, spread it by war, and today his followers are maintaining it through war. Don't argue this with me when I can show you the proof in the Quran itself.
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you are a joke and your ignorance is beyond me
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Originally posted by PromKing
What the hell?
No, it doesn't. I do not and WILL not take any responsibility for what ISIS is doing or this situation, this is not my religion, this is not my actions and you're an idiot for blaming me or and other Muslim(s) for this.
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Whether or not you acknowledge responsibility is irrelevant.
The bottom line remains that your people have consistently made a complete mockery out of what was once a decent and respectable faith, and you can't (and won't) selectively excuse yourself from the bloodshed certain aspects of your religion has caused.
Like BlueTimberwolf said, what have your religious leaders done to stop the extremism from within? The Imams stay quiet.
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Originally posted by Kavish
I am by no means defending Christianity because I'm against religion. But wasn't Jesus tortured too? Do Christian terrorists claim that they are killing because Jesus or the Bible told them to do so?
I'm back to my previous claims. No matter the on-goings in Muhammad's life, he did start Islam on the basis of war, spread it by war, and today his followers are maintaining it through war. Don't argue this with me when I can show you the proof in the Quran itself.
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why did you bring Christianity into this have i said anything about it?
i hope you can get over your prejudices & previous and wrong claims & misunderstanding of the Quran 
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Originally posted by alimonster
you are a joke and your ignorance is beyond me
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Facts and facts, calling him ignorant doesn't make it less true.
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Originally posted by Kavish
I am by no means defending Christianity because I'm against religion. But wasn't Jesus tortured too? Do Christian terrorists claim that they are killing because Jesus or the Bible told them to do so?
I'm back to my previous claims. No matter the on-goings in Muhammad's life, he did start Islam on the basis of war, spread it by war, and today his followers are maintaining it through war. Don't argue this with me when I can show you the proof in the Quran itself.
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The institution of religion is hardly ever the same as the religion itself.
Jesus taught the value of poverty, temperance and other virtues that should allow people to remain humble. But then you have the Pope wearing designer clothes.
Religion itself has always sprung up as a reaction to the natural human violence. When that religion is turned into an institution then there's the problem.
Religion itself is hardly the issue, the issue is how humans twist and interpret it that causes the most issues.
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So the book of Allah tend to contradict itself just like the bible? They both belong to libraries and should not be studied as something sacred.they are just like any other book they are imperfect written by humans. The problem stems from humans misinterpreting words wrotten centuries ago by no others but humans to control others.
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Originally posted by alimonster
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allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
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And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
ignorance is a disease
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I talked about this in my one of my previous posts. If you are going to nitpick good verses from the bad, it means you know the religion is faulty and therefore you should stop being ignorant yourself.
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Originally posted by Kavish
You should take responsibility because it is your religion. Your prophet started Islam by war, spread it by war, and the Quran is being used today to maintain it through war. Terrorists are honest when they say they are killing in the name of their prophet and God, because that's what the Quran is telling them to do. They are true Muslims.
You are a good person, therefore you decide to be blind to those inhumane parts of the Quran. But if you have to nitpick the good from the bad, it means that you know the religion is bad. You should take responsibility because despite knowing that the religion is faulty, you stay in it, meaning you are supporting such a book and such a religion. I am pleased that there are Muslims like you who are good at heart, and I'm sorry that you cannot get out of this evil cult because the penalty for apostasy in Islam is death.
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Goodbye.
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Originally posted by Tropez
The institution of religion is hardly ever the same as the religion itself.
Jesus taught the value of poverty, temperance and other virtues that should allow people to remain humble. But then you have the Pope wearing designer clothes.
Religion itself has always sprung up as a reaction to the natural human violence. When that religion is turned into an institution then there's the problem.
Religion itself is hardly the issue, the issue is how humans twist and interpret it that causes the most issues.
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Originally posted by Jicky
So the book of Allah tend to contradict itself just like the bible? They both belong to libraries and should not be studied as something sacred.they are just like any other book they are imperfect written by humans. The problem stems from humans misinterpreting words wrotten centuries ago by no others but humans to control others.
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religions have become a complete mess and like the anthitesis to civilization and what is good. they are supposed to defend good from evil but often end up promoting evil 
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Facts and facts, calling him ignorant doesn't make it less true.
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so all Christians do as jesus tells them? 
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Originally posted by Kavish
I am by no means defending Christianity because I'm against religion. But wasn't Jesus tortured too? Do Christian terrorists claim that they are killing because Jesus or the Bible told them to do so?
I'm back to my previous claims. No matter the on-goings in Muhammad's life, he did start Islam on the basis of war, spread it by war, and today his followers are maintaining it through war. Don't argue this with me when I can show you the proof in the Quran itself.
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Sis you know The Crusades right? And what about what happend in Norway couple of years ago? Your ignorance is beyond this forum.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Kavish
I talked about this in my one of my previous posts. If you are going to nitpick good verses from the bad, it means you know the religion is faulty and therefore you should stop being ignorant yourself.
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seriously?
thats what are u doing
choosing what u want to choose from quran without understanding the reason that verse appeared
lol seriously educate yourself before coming to islam
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Originally posted by Tropez
Actually no it was not. Like read the history of Muhammad he actually conquered many territories through diplomacy and nonviolence.
In fact Islam sprang up because many of those conquered places were war torn between the Persians and Byzantine. They saw how Muhammed and his followers were far more benevolent than those other empires and openly embraced them.
Also many of the Muslims empires saved Jews and Christians who were being persucuted by Europeans.
Another fun fact. During the crusades when the French came into Jerusalem they slaughtered every jew and Muslim. So much so that blood ran through the streets. When the Muslims reclaimed the city decades later not a single civilian was harmed.
Makes you wonder who is truly the violent ones when you read up on history.
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I'm not debating about who are the violent ones therefore the opposing party have more right to be violent. I said in one of my previous posts - no matter what happened in history - you cannot deny that it propelled Islam to be what it is today. You cannot deny that a book like the Quran came out of it. As a result, some followers are using it to conquer, kill, and increase the Muslim population.
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Originally posted by alimonster
so all Christians do as jesus tells them? |
If Christians were murdering by the thousands each year, I'd expect them to do something about is as well.
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Originally posted by alimonster
you are a joke and your ignorance is beyond me
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You only cater for the good verses from the Quran and dismiss the bad ones I was talking about. The same ones terrorist use to kill. I'm not the ignorant one here.
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Originally posted by Damien M
Whether or not you acknowledge responsibility is irrelevant.
The bottom line remains that your people have consistently made a complete mockery out of what was once a decent and respectable faith, and you can't (and won't) selectively excuse yourself from the bloodshed certain aspects of your religion has caused.
Like BlueTimberwolf said, what have your religious leaders done to stop the extremism from within? The Imams stay quiet.
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It's ridiculous for you to think that I am responsible for another persons actions but I would expect that sort of ignorance from you.
I will not take responsibility of something that I am against, I will not take responsibility for something that I do not believe in and I will not take responsibility for something you guys are selectively picking out of a big book that only has one edition and not 50.
Don't let that stop you from taking responsibility for everything that was done by
Americans
Christians
Men
Because you fall under all three "topics"
Enjoy defending the KKK.
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Originally posted by Afferty
why did you bring Christianity into this have i said anything about it?
i hope you can get over your prejudices & previous and wrong claims & misunderstanding of the Quran |
Because you said Muhammad was tortured as if justifying for his later actions. I was giving a counter example.
I hope you can get over Islam and find true peace, will and freedom.
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Originally posted by Tropez
The institution of religion is hardly ever the same as the religion itself.
Jesus taught the value of poverty, temperance and other virtues that should allow people to remain humble. But then you have the Pope wearing designer clothes.
Religion itself has always sprung up as a reaction to the natural human violence. When that religion is turned into an institution then there's the problem.
Religion itself is hardly the issue, the issue is how humans twist and interpret it that causes the most issues.
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I agree with what you said, that's part of the reasons I'm against religion.
I'd rather the Pope live in fortune, than a Muslim person kill an innocent and say 'by the name of Allah and Muhammad'. That's what I've been trying to say all along. Those Muslim terrorists are using the Quran as their laissez-faire. They think they are right because they believe it is the word of God. Without the Quran (and any religion), there would have been less war.
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