For someone who was taught to hate gay people as a child, I have to say that I've had my fair share of homophoic people - my family. I personally respect gay people because of all the crap they have to go through on a daily basis. I find it pathetic that people can't respect each other because they are different. Grow the hell up.
Kevin, I respect you and your effort to fight homophobia. But PLEASE, abort this failing mission. This is just an online forum, and nothing you say here will make any difference as to fully accepting gays into society. If you want to be proactive, then you have to do that out in the real world, where activists can make a change. But here, all you're doing is making NE and chi go off.
I don't think your 13 NE. You have to be lying about that age. No 13 year old can write all that. I just read the full post you posted.
And let me clarify some great facts for you. The bible has been re-published many times, and re-edited. Wanna argue on that? It's true.
Second of all, the bible has been translated back then into English. English wasn't a common language back then, right? Or am I mistaken about that? Wasn't English founded years later?
Third of all, people can interpret the bible or anything for that matter differently. Haven't you, for instance, read some instructions or read a manual and took it differently from someone else? Right? Why are there so many different relgions based from ONE God like you insist? Because it's how we intrepret. So why does YOUR intrepretation make it any better than the others? Hmmm....
Forth of all, no one, NO ONE , not even the Church knows the truth about Religion. If I went back in time and edited the bible saying, do not worship Britney Spears or you'll go to Hell, you guys would honestly believe that? It's crazy how a book through so many generations has so much power over you guys. Over your heart. Over your sense of from right and wrong.
And I'm not making any of this up. I don't get where you are going with that. Honestly? I'm not trying to make up another God. I'm not saying your God isn't real either. I'm just saying, if what the bible says is true and is supposed to be taking literally in OUR context of time, then that God is just a cold hearted bastard with tons of ignorance? That's a fact.
Why so much hate on love? Are you guys afraid of gay people? Why does it bother you so much. Are we going to ruin your miserable lifes as it already is? Isn't over 50% of the population divorced? That's a fact based on research, not a bible. Thanks very much so.
Why would anyone care who we fall in love with. We aren't spreading hate. We aren't spreading violence. We just want to fall in love with another person, like you, and be happy. I don't understand, based on your facts, on how that is soooooo wrong. Why? Because the bible states so?
What if the bible was a test of human knowledge? What if God wanted this to happen. This debate. Maybe he wanted people to figure out what life really is about. Does my word really have so much more meaning or power over what you have to say? No. It's an opinion.
Maybe life is a test. Figure out life. And without the bible, we would be lost right? I figured out life and that's all I need to know to know where I'll be. I don't hate people, I don't hold grudges, I forgive, I sin just like everyone else and lastly I stick up for what I believe in.
Because believe it or not, people have formed thier opinion from the bible. Some believe it, some don't. Some agree with parts of it, some believe all of it. That was obviously God's intention. The real problem is, how are you going to live your life and take it? It's your life.
I think it's admirable that you think I'm too young to write such intelligent posts. But let me clarify my age. I am 14 years old. I have always just been good at grammar writing essays and stuff like that. I got the top grade in my on my English 3 class essay 2 weeks ago, and maybe I'm young, but Im not stupid and I have alot of opinions on things.
I'm not denying that the Bible has been translated and re-published many times. That is true. Now your starting to talk sense.
But copies of the from 3rd century A.D are almost identical to today's Bibles. The Bible has never been proved wrong or altered.
Yes, people can interpret the Bible differently, and their are different denominations because of a common belief among a group of people, but things like "No man shall have a relationship with another man" is written and stone, so Im not sure why so many gay people try to find their way around that. How can you interpret that any other way?
You're right. All churches have their flaws, that is why we have the BIBLE to fall back on for the truth when we are uncertain.
And I don't have any hate for gay people. I have gay friends and no problem with gay people whatsoever. God doesn't hate gay people, he just doesn't like what they are doing.
If you said it was God's intention for people to agree with the Bible or some parts of it, than why did you state that the bible was false.
Once again you are contradicting yourself.
Kevin, Im going to let you go ahead and believe whatever you want. That's really not my concern.
I just wanted to express my beliefs, that's all.
About the gay relationship thing - Don't you think that was influenced by how things were at the time? What people were doing? I'll give you another example. George Washington was the first president of the United States. He stayed for two terms, and everyone else followed, but the two terms thing was never written as official until many years later. As a matter of fact, it took almost 150 years for someone else to break the chain. What I'm trying to say is that just because it is the trend doesn't make it correct or the only thing correct.
About the gay relationship thing - Don't you think that was influenced by how things were at the time? What people were doing? I'll give you another example. George Washington was the first president of the United States. He stayed for two terms, and everyone else followed, but the two terms thing was never written as official until many years later. As a matter of fact, it took almost 150 years for someone else to break the chain. What I'm trying to say is that just because it is the trend doesn't make it correct.
God knew what he was doing when he gave us the Bible. It applies to our generation, the generation of 45 A.D., and any future generations. The Bible isn't a trend. It's written in stone, and we are supposed to use it in our context.
God knew what he was doing when he gave us the Bible. It applies to our generation, the generation of 45 A.D., and any future generations. The Bible isn't a trend. It's written in stone, and we are supposed to use it in our context.
so I am assuming you support stoning as punishment for adultery, correct? and you are also for slavery??
Opinion =/= fact. The fact of the matter is that according to The Bible, thus some people's beliefs, he will go to Hell no matter what he accomplishes in his life for being a homosexual. Simple. Just because people such as myself can understand that this is a fact according to The Bible, does NOT mean my opinion on the matter supports it. You have NO idea where I stand on the matter, and you're basing your opinion of it on me being logical and realistic.
You're the one here who is being closed-minded, ignorant and forcing opinions, something you are accusing others.
You're not accepting that other people can believe something, should it be right or wrong in your mind. If you have your own personal take on your God, why hate on others who have their own take on him? And who's to say what YOU believe is right and wrong? Are you trying to play God now? Trying to force YOUR opinion on others when you're trying to "help" them not be a "puppet"? So they detach their strings and re-attach some to you?
Seriously, just stop. You have NO idea what you're talking about and the fact of the matter is that you cannot win. If you want to live a happy life you're going to need to accept the fact that not everyone thinks as you do. Does that change your fate? Nope. If God has a plan for you, and you believe that you will go to Heaven, why should you let anyone else influence and hinder this?
Leave being a gay activist to people who know what they're talking about and can come up with a good arguement.
Depature (Kevin) why do you ALWAYS have to come for us Christians? SERIOUSLY by opening a thread you entitle us to our opinion! And then you try and bully us by telling us how bad we are because we think being a practicsing homosexual is a sin.
Gays will never be accepted fully into society, just as their is still racisim.
You DONT want this thread to turn into a MESSball.
Well the Bible says Homosexual relations is NOT accepted. And Kevin disagrees, as he is homosexual.
Thats about it.
Oh and us christians are getting annoyed because he always tries to come for us in his threads with his "discussions" and "brain teasers".
Kevin is not a Christian, right? SO WHY GIVE A DAMN ABOUT A DOCTRINE THAT HINDERED HOMOSEXUALITY AS A THIRD-SEX PARTY WHEN IN FACT, YOU DONT EVEN READ THE DAMN THING?
Ok I'm going to leave a small detail out of the first description! A very small, but big, detail!
So there is this boy, who grew up in a small town. He was raised next to two other brothers, one older, one younger then him. It was a small town, but he took part in going to Church with his family every Sunday, while helping attend small activities within the church, such as handing out phamplets and taking care of the building's set-up.
He eventually took part in an organization within the Church to help out the environment, by cleaning up the town. He was a very down to earth guy. Loved helping others. He was kind. Very attractive. Eventually he went to the big school. He was awarded perfect attendance, straight A's, was always on time, never was late nor skipped. Was also smart and won the award for "Most Successful" student in his High School year.
He played sports, was very athletic, very strong. He started to have a passion for staying fit. Ate healthy. Made sure to exercise. He also took part in helping out in organizations among the school, such as a teacher's assisant. Teachers loved how he was so helpful and he even helped others with their homework.
Eventually he graduated and moved on to College. He was awarded many more awards, still received A's. Was very attentive. People looked and thought of him highly. He took part in a homeless shelter and helped out the victims of disatarous events, such as Hurricane Katrina. People praised his thoughtfulness and how he cared and fed the helpless.
He didn't really date much, but was waiting for the one. He didn't find the one until his last year at College. They took his life away and turned it around. They dated for months, years! Eventually they exchanged rings. He had a sense of morales, didn't do anything wrong. Was a virgin. Didn't want to do it without God's name. They moved in together and they even took part in helping out the community.
They eventually raised a child of their own. Took care of the child. Taught them good morales, never did that child did wrong. Everyone was inspired by his life and how well it was. He had such motivation and power among others that felt like falling down in loss of hope. The mayor of the town officially stated him as being the most positive influencetual person of town in his 30's.
Had a great career and made a lot of money. Never did anything wrong. There's just one thing though, that I left out...can you guess?
But first, after reading this description, would any Christian believe this person would go to Hell?
Take a time to state your opinion now. I'll let you do that now...
Got it? I'm positive you all answered with a NO right? He was a good person. Nothing wrong. Great. But again, what was that missing part I left out? Oh...let me state it now...
Are you ready?
This person happened to be...
Gay. Yes. He was gay. That significant other was a man. They adopted. They exchanged rings in God's name. They both waited to have sex until they were committed.
Now, again, knowing that last part, does that NO change to a YES?
Before you splurt out a YES and "quote" the bible, think about what he's done in his life, not just his sexuality. Do you seriously think that God would send a person, without knowing he was gay, to Hell with a life like that? I think not! But throwing in who they are attracted to, outweighs the good, moraled person they are from the heart as a person verses a straight person who lived a same lifestyle?
Just something to think about. Hopefully you all didn't change your answer. If you did, well, maybe your better suited on another planet, away from this planet. Maybe lock yourself away or something. I hope you learned a thing or two from this!
First of all, your description lacks a major factor: THE COMMUNITY.
You did not state the town's reaction to the focal highlights of his being as a homosexual.
1. Is he open? or closeted? (Obviously, that was before tying the knot.)
2. Was he treated disdainfully when he declared he's marrying a man?
Seems like YOU'RE the ONLY person making a huge deal out of this. The fact that the man was allowed to take wing of the adopted child's custody with his "partner", its pretty assuming that the society recognized his sexual stance albeit the Bible's so-called homo-restriction.
The answer is right under your nose dude, sniff it!
BTW Kevin, are you Christian? I suppose you believe in all things Bible suggests.
I just don't take the bible to the extreme. It was, obviously, supposed to taken into context of the time it was written, which most of you without a brain and heart can't see. If you read the whole thing, he also states other sins and other things that you can't or can do, but like most homophobic Christians they disregard everything else and just pinpoint the "hate" on Homosexuality in Bible. If you are a true Christian, you would agree on everything, not just some bits and pieces you choose to follow at free will.
I really don't want to talk about it anymore. I said my thoughts. Like I said, what does your word have over mine? Does it really have that much more power?Like that someone said, if you agree about Homosexuality being a sin, why not the stoning thing? Why not the seafood part of the story! Can't eat seafood or it's a sin! What about the clothing part of the bible?
Why don't you start saying people who wear more than one set of clothing (wool, etc.) is a sin.
Oh but that's not neccessary in our time. It's OK to do that stuff now. BUT OMG IF SOMEONE LOVES SOMEONE FROM THE SAME SEX, Call the deputy, call the sheriff, they need to worry about this man holding another man's heart instead of the senseless killing that's happening down street plasma.I don't get why you guys sit here and say I'm the dumb one. The majority of intelligant people would say I am really smart and I know what I'm talking about. I have an aunt who is a Christian/Religious nut and believe me she is a huge religious nut.
You walk into her house and Jesus pictures are on the wall. They are the biggest church goers ever. But wait, waiiiiit, last time I checked, they accept gay people and they don't believe gay people will go to Hell.
Because it's called having a HEART. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart.Heart. Heart.Heart .Heart.Heart.Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart. Heart.
You guys say this God has no heart then? Ok. Why would you want to worship a God with no heart? Why would you want to worship a God who tells you to say it's OK to tell gay people how to live their life and how they are going to Hell if they don't change. Is that what your God wants? Why do you guys play his role?
I'm not the one here saying ANYONE with a lifestyle will go to Hell. I actually believe everyone will have a chance or a shot to Heaven. I don't use the bible to say some people can go to Heaven, some can't. I believe that everyone should be equal in God's heart and everyone should be in Heaven. That's what makes me different from YOU. I have a heart. I don't think anyone will go to Hell.
But at least I'm not doing God's role in life and saying Gay people will go to Hell.
I just want to say though, the God that is taking out of the bible is someone who is described as a person with no heart. Anyone can see that. You guys make God, the almighty God of the universe, have no sense of mortality and that he's some bigot.
Can you guys just look beyond the words of the bible and actually LOOK at the whole picture. What do you see? You see two guys (or two woman) who are sitting in a park, holding hands and laughing and having a good life. How can anyone even consider that a sin? The answer is, no heart.
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So God has no heart. I guess I don't want to worship a God with no heart. =\
You're talking out of your ass again. The Bible applies to our generation. We just have to use it in our context. The things about seafood and clothes were rules for the Israelites back in the Old Testament. Those obviously don't apply to us today. But God clearly stated that "No man shall have another relationship was another man". That is written in stone. It doesn't matter if YOU think it's ok to have homosexual relations. Being delusional isn't going to save you. If you want, you can go and write your own Bible. You keep trying to to beat around the bush and talk about some having and heart ****, instead of facing the facts. And didn't you say you refuse to acknowledge the Bible? So why are you now referring to it?
And what the hell does your aunt being a huge church-goer and having pictures of Jesus on her wall have to do with anything? You really think just that's going to take her to heaven?
The Bible clearly states that homosexual relations with another person of the same-sex is wrong. If you ignore that, you will go to Hell.
Let me see you justify that. Where are your doctrines disproving that?