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Discussion: Is Gaga the most bitter artist ever?
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What I never understand is that for a while she seemed to like ... Everyone or at least embracing , but then she throws these subliminals. She's passive aggressive and I wish she'd be direct or just hush.
As for her comment, her songwriting has never been the centerfold of her career so I find these comments a little funny.
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She's been criticizing the business and lipsynching pop stars since The Monster Ball, so no.
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No she's not bitter. I mean she's been saying these things since 2008. But because now she's easier to pick on, people keep bringing these things up hoping more people will jump on the "gaga hate" bandwagon. It's sickening honestly.
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Originally posted by puffpuffpass626
Right on Point! ! But it seems to never be her fault. ..always plays the victim
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How is this on topic? Play the victim on what? What is not her fault? How does this relate to being bitter and the quote that was presented in the OP.
Try harder and come again.
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Member Since: 6/22/2012
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Originally posted by Bang Up
There are loads of other quotes you could have used if you wanted people to agree that she's bitter.
The backfire.
That definitely explains 'Just Dance, 'Poker Face', and 'Bad Romance' being three of the highest-selling singles of all time. It was the costumes, not the voice/music! All those awards won and records sold... it was the costumes all along.
"And the Grammy for Best Pop Vocal Album goes to... Lady Gaga's meat dress."
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Well you'd think that If her selling point of her career was based solely on her writting and voice she'd still be successful compared to her less talented peers who focus less on those things than her right ?
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The backfire in this thread
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
That doesn't make any sense. Plenty of talentless, very pretty and sexy girls have had big hits before too. Was Gaga dressed in a long normal dress, playing the piano in the live performances and music videos for those songs? No, it's all about how you present yourself in this industry.
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It's literally a well-known fact/belief within the industry that Lady Gaga is talented. No one denies that when they hear her sing. Her outfits on stage have never taken away from her actual voice or talent, and you don't have to wear a "normal dress" in order to showcase your talent.
Your implication is that she is only successful because of her outfits. No one buys music because of outfits. No entity gives away music-related awards because of outfits.
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Originally posted by SaneBeyhannaStan
What I never understand is that for a while she seemed to like ... Everyone or at least embracing , but then she throws these subliminals. She's passive aggressive and I wish she'd be direct or just hush.
As for her comment, her songwriting has never been the centerfold of her career so I find these comments a little funny.
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Except, her career is being a musician and she writes all of her own music so her writing is literally the centerfold of her career and why she's where she is today.
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Originally posted by SaneBeyhannaStan
Well you'd think that If her selling point of her career was based solely on her writting and voice she'd still be successful compared to her less talented peers who focus less on those things than her right ?
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This is a completely hypothetical question that cannot be answered with any amount of certainty.
None of her peers focus less on their outfits. Just because they don't wear what Gaga does doesn't mean they aren't just as obsessed with their image (and iirc, her peers all followed in her footsteps back in 2010). Every popstar has a gimmick, but a gimmick does not detract from your talent if you have it.
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Hasn't Ms. "Pop music will never be low-brow again" been talking like that since the beginning?
Not saying she can't hold some bitterness but what she said is standard gaga and I agree with her on this.
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Nope.
But you tried I guess.
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Because unless you use your voice and talent as your selling point instead of your costumes and shock factor, you have no room to be criticizing the industry for not being talent based.
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During the "Just Dance" era, her first #1, she was just pretty much a quirky girl with no extravagant or out-of-this-world costumes but the song still went on to sell millions. She has relied on her voice and performing skills forever now, not some big ass production to distract people from her mediocre singing abilities like some of the other girls . If people found her costumes interesting, that's on them...
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She worked with Britney (who is a good example of a pretty girl singing karaoke) so I don't think Gaga's bitter on the topic. She's just spilling tea.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
It's literally a well-known fact/belief within the industry that Lady Gaga is talented. No one denies that when they hear her sing. Her outfits on stage have never taken away from her actual voice or talent, and you don't have to wear a "normal dress" in order to showcase your talent.
Your implication is that she is only successful because of her outfits. No one buys music because of outfits. No entity gives away music-related awards because of outfits.
Except, her career is being a musician and she writes all of her own music so her writing is literally the centerfold of her career and why she's where she is today.
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Ok if she was that confident in her voice and writting then she wouldn't need the extra distractions on stage, in her music videos, etc right?
Nobody is denying her talent but it seems Gaga never felt strong enough to make her career about those things and NOTHING else.
She released mostly dance pop singles during her peek which didn't show her vocal prowess.
It was only on rare occasions shed show her true range.
Her career was built on scandal from the Xtina feud, meat dress, VMA 2009 performance, the whole BTW era, Joe Calderon, I could go on and on
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Originally posted by Josh
would she be saying this if she was still #1 on the billboard
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Actually, yes. She's literally been saying all of this since day one - including when she was undeniably #1.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
It's literally a well-known fact/belief within the industry that Lady Gaga is talented. No one denies that when they hear her sing. Her outfits on stage have never taken away from her actual voice or talent, and you don't have to wear a "normal dress" in order to showcase your talent.
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Well of course it's a combination of music that people like and costumes in order to sell music. I didn't say she was selling her costumes. People noticed her because of her costumes and shock factor. That's all that matters. It's not like the talentless girls are selling their music only because of their looks.
And I'm obviously talking about the GP, not the industry.
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Originally posted by SaneBeyhannaStan
I could go on and on
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Please don't, it's getting tiresome.
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Originally posted by SaneBeyhannaStan
Ok if she was that confident in her voice and writting then she wouldn't need the extra distractions on stage, in her music videos, etc right?
Nobody is denying her talent but it seems Gaga never felt strong enough to make her career about those things and NOTHING else.
She released mostly dance pop singles during her peek which didn't show her vocal prowess.
It was only on rare occasions shed show her true range.
Her career was built on scandal from the Xtina feud, meat dress, VMA 2009 performance, the whole BTW era, Joe Calderon, I could go on and on
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She believes that image and performance art is just as important as the music, which is why she wears those outfits. But even when she released dance pop singles, many of her first and biggest performances involved piano versions of her songs. In fact, most of her awards performances in 2009/2010 had her at the piano (VMAs, AMAs, Grammys with Elton, etc.)
She has always showcased her talent because, after all, she wouldn't have gotten a record deal without her amazing voice and songwriting.
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Originally posted by SaneBeyhannaStan
Ok if she was that confident in her voice and writting then she wouldn't need the extra distractions on stage, in her music videos, etc right?
Nobody is denying her talent but it seems Gaga never felt strong enough to make her career about those things and NOTHING else.
She released mostly dance pop singles during her peek which didn't show her vocal prowess.
It was only on rare occasions shed show her true range.
Her career was built on scandal from the Xtina feud, meat dress, VMA 2009 performance, the whole BTW era, Joe Calderon, I could go on and on
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Are you serious? She's a popstar, popstars don't go on stage without big productions and 12 backup dancers. Your logic dictates NO popstar that has ever existed has been "confident in their voice and writing that they wouldn't need the extra distractions on stage, in their music videos..."
From the very beginning of her career, Gaga has always made an effort to showcase her talent. She would go from radio station to station playing acoustic versions of her songs just to prove that. And I'm sure you're aware of the dozens and dozens of performances that started out with an acoustic version of the song that focused solely on her voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP8SrlbpJ5A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7HvURBhMGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIeCrj_Gn6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jF8gcw_mpI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN-cY8lUlpk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5caXbuZEY9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crH7R0MjaPY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyTJgb1IjLc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYzG_iAoS8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYb1iiz5Y1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkdaJBpN6zQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hldq_cT38x8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-2bJP86dLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILYUsRK_BGI
All of those performances are acoustic performances from the beginning of her career that focused solely on her talent and "range".
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Her career was built on scandal from the Xtina feud, meat dress, VMA 2009 performance, the whole BTW era, Joe Calderon, I could go on and on
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Now you're just trying to derail the argument with something that has nothing to do with anything and something that never took away from her talent. And hardly any of those are "scandals". The Xtina feud was never a feud Gaga fed into. The VMA 2009 performance is heralded as one of the best of all time. Joe Calderone was not a "scandal", and neither was the meat dress. You're getting scandal and controversy mixed up. All popstars have controversy.
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Well of course it's a combination of music that people like and costumes in order to sell music. I didn't say she was selling her costumes. People noticed her because of her costumes and shock factor. That's all that matters. It's not like the talentless girls are selling their music only because of their looks.
And I'm obviously talking about the GP, not the industry.
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Well no ****ing duh, just like people only started paying attention to Beyonce because she was part of a group, Britney because she was a sexed-up school girl, Katy because she was a fake lesbian, Ke$ha because she was a party girl... Like, you have to give people a reason to pay attention to you, that's how it works. But that doesn't invalidate talent, and that alone isn't what keeps people coming back to buy your music.
And yes, if you're talentless then you're not selling talent, you're selling an image aka looks.
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Not the report being cleared
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Originally posted by Bang Up
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welp at the extensive clocking and education in this post
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