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News: Israel–Gaza conflict | Over 1000 civilians killed in GAZA!
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You know what's so funny, people are acting like we are the first ones to get into some piece of land and take over, hallo!People have been doing this for hundred of years.
I don't say I agree with it, I don't even like Israel, I've always wanted to get away from here but damn, if you hate this country and people at least use some logical arguements.
And yeah, UN decided we can build a country in this place, so taking over or not the final decision wasn't ours.
And it's easy to portray us as vicious, yet, we are not the ones who acted in a violent way all of those years.
We've tried for so long to have peace with them, but after so long that there's no one to talk with we just gave up I guess.
I don't think people realize how it's like for people to live their lives under alrams, do you have any idea how it's like to wake up in the middle of the night, or to hear it in the middle of the day and know you only got 10 seconds, to get your kids or just yourself to a safe place, cuz' in 10 seconds a missile will hit in the area around you, if you lucky, if you're not, then you better run for cover cuz' the missile might hit your house.
So the same person who said we try to make the world believe we have to do it?What do you think?
Would your country let some terror organization fire missiles @ cities in your country for 8 years and won't do a thing about it?Would it?!
It's easy to talk when you sit infront of a computer where everything is so calm and easy, come here and live in one of those places for a week, you know what, not a week, a day, then try to talk.
And the pictures you posted, you see, that's the sad part, terroriests, do everything they can to get their target, killing people, firing missiles and yes, even doing publicity with pictures of dead people.
I won't deny we probably killed them, but when you live next to terrorists and you don't care, maybe even let them use your house as a shallter, I wouldn't call you innocent.
I already said it like 10 times, our army is doing it's best to hurt as less innocent people as possible, but it's a war, you can't honsetly expect people to not get hurt.
Our army even have a typed msg in arbic that was send to phones of houses of innocent people before we bombed them saying that if they are near terrorists or a bomb storage they should run away from there...What army have done such things, huh?
Not me, not you and none of the people in this forum has 100% information on what's going on there, don't think that if you watched the news a few days and read the papers you know all, cuz' not all is posted there and the history of our war with them is not posted there...And it's a long history.
And that's why when people ask how many israelies were killed vs how many people in Gaza were killed it's not even relevant.
We might kill some innocent people on the way but we do our best not to and when we bomb places, we got targets which are either bomb storages, terrorists who are on their way to fire missiles and terrorists headquarters and that's the big difference between us and them.
Cuz' when they fire missiles, they don't care where will they hit, actually they do care, they want it to do as much damge as possible...Doesn't matter who gets hit on the way, as long as they hit something and the more the better.
And if any of you is going to play the who killed more game, then I'm happy we are winning this game, cuz' the fact we have less people who are dead during the last few days means our army and country is doing a good job.
Yesterday a missile hit a kidden garden, no one was there luckly cuz' our goverment decided to cancel school there.
I'm happy I can show you it, instead of saying "their missile killed 32 kids".
But I don't know why I'm wasting my words, after all, who ever hates us or our country won't change his mind...Maybe it's cuz' when I see people in here that is supporting Gaza, aka, Hamas, I feel sick that people actually justify terrorism.
I would understand if someone won't pick sides and just be anti war, cuz' I hate wars as well or cuz' he acknowledges the fact he doesn't understand this all thing properly in order to support any one.
I will even understand if someone doesn't agree with everything that we do, cuz' I sometimes don't agree with my country, but after all, we all make mistakes.
[I won't agree however, that we should have done nothing like we did the past 8 years, it was time to do something to stop the missiles].
What I don't understand is how someone can support terrorism.
Or maybe it's cuz' I kinda take it personaly.
I got family who's in the zone of the missles and could get hurt, my best friend was suppose to be on a bus that some terrorist blew up but luckly she didn't get on it, there was a time, not so long ago, I lived in fear, you would go on a bus, or walk in the street without knowing if you'll comeback home.
Maybe the person next to you on the bus will blow himself up, or maybe the guy in the street or maybe it's the car next to you that is loaded with explosive.
My two and only grandmas were in the war zone in 2006, just as I was, we could have been killed just like 2 of my friends who are right now in Gaza fighting against terrorists.
So hell yeah I take it personaly, and those are thing I experienced, and I haven't experienced alot compered to other people.
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Originally posted by NickLacheyFan
You know what's so funny, people are acting like we are the first ones to get into some piece of land and take over, hallo!People have been doing this for hundred of years.
I don't say I agree with it, I don't even like Israel, I've always wanted to get away from here but damn, if you hate this country and people at least use some logical arguements.
And yeah, UN decided we can build a country in this place, so taking over or not the final decision wasn't ours.
And it's easy to portray us as vicious, yet, we are not the ones who acted in a violent way all of those years.
We've tried for so long to have peace with them, but after so long that there's no one to talk with we just gave up I guess.
I don't think people realize how it's like for people to live their lives under alrams, do you have any idea how it's like to wake up in the middle of the night, or to hear it in the middle of the day and know you only got 10 seconds, to get your kids or just yourself to a safe place, cuz' in 10 seconds a missile will hit in the area around you, if you lucky, if you're not, then you better run for cover cuz' the missile might hit your house.
So the same person who said we try to make the world believe we have to do it?What do you think?
Would your country let some terror organization fire missiles @ cities in your country for 8 years and won't do a thing about it?Would it?!
It's easy to talk when you sit infront of a computer where everything is so calm and easy, come here and live in one of those places for a week, you know what, not a week, a day, then try to talk.
And the pictures you posted, you see, that's the sad part, terroriests, do everything they can to get their target, killing people, firing missiles and yes, even doing publicity with pictures of dead people.
I won't deny we probably killed them, but when you live next to terrorists and you don't care, maybe even let them use your house as a shallter, I wouldn't call you innocent.
I already said it like 10 times, our army is doing it's best to hurt as less innocent people as possible, but it's a war, you can't honsetly expect people to not get hurt.
Our army even have a typed msg in arbic that was send to phones of houses of innocent people before we bombed them saying that if they are near terrorists or a bomb storage they should run away from there...What army have done such things, huh?
Not me, not you and none of the people in this forum has 100% information on what's going on there, don't think that if you watched the news a few days and read the papers you know all, cuz' not all is posted there and the history of our war with them is not posted there...And it's a long history.
And that's why when people ask how many israelies were killed vs how many people in Gaza were killed it's not even relevant.
We might kill some innocent people on the way but we do our best not to and when we bomb places, we got targets which are either bomb storages, terrorists who are on their way to fire missiles and terrorists headquarters and that's the big difference between us and them.
Cuz' when they fire missiles, they don't care where will they hit, actually they do care, they want it to do as much damge as possible...Doesn't matter who gets hit on the way, as long as they hit something and the more the better.
And if any of you is going to play the who killed more game, then I'm happy we are winning this game, cuz' the fact we have less people who are dead during the last few days means our army and country is doing a good job.
Yesterday a missile hit a kidden garden, no one was there luckly cuz' our goverment decided to cancel school there.
I'm happy I can show you it, instead of saying "their missile killed 32 kids".
But I don't know why I'm wasting my words, after all, who ever hates us or our country won't change his mind...Maybe it's cuz' when I see people in here that is supporting Gaza, aka, Hamas, I feel sick that people actually justify terrorism.
I would understand if someone won't pick sides and just be anti war, cuz' I hate wars as well or cuz' he acknowledges the fact he doesn't understand this all thing properly in order to support any one.
I will even understand if someone doesn't agree with everything that we do, cuz' I sometimes don't agree with my country, but after all, we all make mistakes.
[I won't agree however, that we should have done nothing like we did the past 8 years, it was time to do something to stop the missiles].
What I don't understand is how someone can support terrorism.
Or maybe it's cuz' I kinda take it personaly.
I got family who's in the zone of the missles and could get hurt, my best friend was suppose to be on a bus that some terrorist blew up but luckly she didn't get on it, there was a time, not so long ago, I lived in fear, you would go on a bus, or walk in the street without knowing if you'll comeback home.
Maybe the person next to you on the bus will blow himself up, or maybe the guy in the street or maybe it's the car next to you that is loaded with explosive.
My two and only grandmas were in the war zone in 2006, just as I was, we could have been killed just like 2 of my friends who are right now in Gaza fighting against terrorists.
So hell yeah I take it personaly, and those are thing I experienced, and I haven't experienced alot compered to other people.
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And do you think someone is going to read all this ****?
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And do you think someone is going to read all this ****?
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Dude, I don't even know what to say to you anymore, just .
And "this ****", is called a piece of opinion, I know it's new to you but maybe someday you'll learn how to express one that is worth reading .
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The only innocents are the civilians of both sides. The Israeli government keeps using the holocaust card to justify their actions, being supported by the West, whose deafening silence to its sense of guilt over the atrocities Hitler committed against the Jews has been successfully exploited by the Israeli propagandists. Hamas, on the other hand, is a group of people who happen to be extremist Muslims, created because of the illegal Israeli occupation of the Palestine territory, and therefore they want the Israelis dead. Zionism is not much different either, really. None of them recognize each other's rights in the area, and Israel's policy of economic blockade in the Gaza Strip (now humanitarian) and the West Bank makes the whole situation worse. When it comes to terrorism, Hamas and Israel are on the same level to me.
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^ with the civilians on both sides caught in the middle of it all.
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Israel bombed 2 UN schools
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Our army released a vidoe showing that Hamas was firing missiles from the school area.
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DEAD DEAD DEAD at NickLacheyFan and his prevarications.
Israel shouldn't exist from the beginning. I don't steal your car and ask you for the insurance. I can always bring the facts and stats!
In 1880 there were 24,000 Jews living among 450,000 Palestinians.
In 1914 there were 56,000 Jews living among 715,000 Palestinians.
In 1922 there were 83,000 Jews living among 663,000 Palestinians.
In 1936 there were 385,400 Jews living among 983,200 Palestinians.
In 1940 there were 467,000 Jews living among 1,050,000 Palestinians.
In 1946 there were 600,000 Jews living among 1,300,000 Palestinians.
In 1948 there were 155,000 Palestinians living among 716,700 Jews.
In 1951 there were 173,000 Palestinians living among 1,577,000 Jews.
The Jews were running from the from all over Europe because of the persecution to Palestine. Nobody kicked them from Palestine, but instead, they decided to TAKE OVER in 1948 and move the Palestinians out. How come a population of 90% now only own LESS than 20% of their land?! This is one of the ugliest occupations in human kind history. "Hamas", the allegedly terrorist group, are the LAST breath that the Palestinians have to defend what's left of THEIR land.
Israel will forever play the victim. You don't rape someone's land and ask for them to remain SILENT or bow down to you. Imagine SIXTY years of getting stripped from your land, your family, your kids by a full force ARMY. PLEASE.
There's no rule in the entire world that gives you the right to kill innocent civilians, including women and children, EVEN if there are soldiers, terrorists etc. hiding behind them. Israel violates all the rules of humanity.
On the 11th day of Israel's 24/7 random attacks on Gaza:
TOTAL: 660 - DIED
215 - CHILDREN
89 - WOMEN
2950 - INJURED
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I'm sorry NickLacheyFan but I disagree with you. I still hope nothing bad happens to you
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I can't believe the US supports Israel that much.
How dare Israel bomb 2 innocent schools?
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I don't agree with Israel's policies but Mazen you're just as biased as the other side. This isn't a one-sided conflict at all--they are both killing each other. Neither one can call itself the victim of the situation. Palestine fights for its land as it should. But what do you expect Israel to do, stand idly by? It has been their home for sixty years.
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I am following those News now One week.
I never really knew why they where fighting for until I read this thread.
I hate war, so I am not for those or the other side, it's just, all those poor people & Kids that get killed
And I feel sorry for Nicklacheyfan to have friends in this era.
I am so happy that I was born in a save country...
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
I don't agree with Israel's policies but Mazen you're just as biased as the other side. This isn't a one-sided conflict at all--they are both killing each other. Neither one can call itself the victim of the situation. Palestine fights for its land as it should. But what do you expect Israel to do, stand idly by? It has been their home for sixty years.
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That makes no sense whatsoever. The Palestinians are having a REASON to fight. But what's Israel's?! ANSWER ME.
And if being OCCUPIED for 60 years doesn't make you a VICTIM, then i don't know what's the definition of a victim to you. Israel is having more than 80% of a land that doesn't belong to them, attacking Gaza and they're still not satisfied but eager to get rid off all these people and the little land that's left to them.
I'm not biased. I just don't side with occupiers.
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Prevarications?
I don't even like this country, I can't wait to get my ass out of here.
I just see how some of you twist things to make it look as we are the ones to blame in everything.
I already said it last time, and you're the one who ignored it, we are not the only ones who took over a piece of land.
But you know what, lets leave this a side for a second, cuz' I want to refer to something else.
It's so funny, and sad, how you say this -
There's no rule in the entire world that gives you the right to kill innocent civilians, including women and children, EVEN if there are soldiers, terrorists etc. hiding behind them. Israel violates all the rules of humanity.
Yet, you support Hamas that does the exact same thing.
If you're going to be against killing innocent people don't support any side .
And don't play with me with number games, I can do the same but it's pointless.
Sure we got less deads, we're a country with an army and we do our best to protect our people and we prevent them as much as possible to hurt us.
Beside, we took over the lands, but no one kicked them out, they never wanted to build their own country so after we came here they decided to do so?That's so childish.
They could, like may israelian arbics, keep living here in peace with us.
There are alot of ways to solve things, but the only way they choose was violence so don't act like we are the bad ones in this all thing.
You know what, I'm not going to respond anymore, simpley cuz' I just don't care, I'm sure you'll feel like you won but that's not the case, even though you can think that way cuz' like I said I don't care.
I'm not even pro war.
If your precious Hamas wouldn't keep on fighting with us and tried to talk with us, trust me we might have solved this all thing by now.
FYI, before the UN annonced we can build a country in here there was a plan to build 2 countries in here, one for us and one for the arbics.
They would get most of the land, like 70% and we would get 20% and Jerusalem would be run by the UN or something like this.
You know why this all thing blew up?Cuz' the Palestinians didn't like it, instead when the UN annoced we can build a country, you know what they did?They started a war with us.
And I bet you're going to say they did the right thing.
After all, war is the only solution...
Okay, time for me to play some number games.
October 4th, 2003.
21 people were killed in Maxim restaurant suicide bombing when a a 28-year-old Palestinian terrorist, detonated an explosive belt she was wearing inside the Maxim restaurant in Haifa.
Which is close to where I live btw.
The victims -
Five members of the Almog family from Haifa:
Commander (res.) Ze'ev Almog, 71,
his wife Ruth, 70,
their son Moshe, 43,
and grandsons Tomer Almog, 9,
and Assaf Staier, 11
Five members of the Zer-Aviv family from Kibbutz Yagur:
Bruria, 59;
her son Bezalel, 30,
and his wife Keren, 29,
with their children Liran, 4,
and their baby Noya, 2-months old.
Others:
Zvi Bahat, 35, of Haifa
Mark Biano, 29, of Haifa,
and his wife Naomi, 25
Hana Francis, 39, of Fassouta, chief waiter
Mutanus Karkabi, 31, of Haifa, the security guard
Sharbal Matar, 23, of Fassouta, waiter
Osama Najar, 28, of Haifa, cook
Nir Regev, 25, of Nahariya
Irena Sofrin, 38, of Kiryat Bialik
Lydia Zilberstein, 56, of Haifa died of her wounds on Oct 9
George Matar, 59, of Haifa died of his wounds on Oct 15
Now you see how pointless it is the play the number games?I can keep on going just like you can, the bottom line is, no one of them should have been killed.
If they would have tried to solve things by talking this might have not happened, but they choose to fight.
This is, btw, what's left of a bus that was exploded by a terrorist who loaded a car with explosive and drove it next to the bus and blew it up, 17 people were killed.
And please, don't keep on dragging me with this thread.
There isn't winners and losers in this whole thing, we all lose.
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Originally posted by Hard Candy
That makes no sense whatsoever. The Palestinians are having a REASON to fight. But what's Israel's?! ANSWER ME.
And if being OCCUPIED for 60 years doesn't make you a VICTIM, then i don't know what's the definition of a victim to you. Israel is having more than 80% of a land that doesn't belong to them, attacking Gaza and they're still not satisfied but eager to get rid off all these people and the little land that's left to them.
I'm not biased. I just don't side with occupiers.
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What the hell are you talking about!?
Our goverment was ready to split the land to 2 countries, one for us and one for them.
We backed up from Gaza a few years ago, we wanted to let them rule the place but you know what ended up happening?The Hamas took over the place and used it to fire missiles at us!
And your telling me we are trying to get this piece of land again after we gave it back?Are you insane?!
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Originally posted by NickLacheyFan
we are not the only ones who took over a piece of land.
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EXPLAIN, again.
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Originally posted by NickLacheyFan
But you know what, lets leave this a side for a second, cuz' I want to refer to something else.
It's so funny, and sad, how you say this -
There's no rule in the entire world that gives you the right to kill innocent civilians, including women and children, EVEN if there are soldiers, terrorists etc. hiding behind them. Israel violates all the rules of humanity.
Yet, you support Hamas that does the exact same thing.
If you're going to be against killing innocent people don't support any side .
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I don't support the killing of any innocent people from either side but AT LEAST I understand where the Palestinians are coming from. They have a REASON, their land is being raped, again, what's YOURS?
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Originally posted by NickLacheyFan
And don't play with me with number games, I can do the same but it's pointless.
Sure we got less deads, we're a country with an army and we do our best to protect our people and we prevent them as much as possible to hurt us.
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YOUR country? NULL.
And who protects the Palestinians people? They're OCCUPIED by YOU and they have no power.
I stopped reading there. I can't stand any of your lies and delusions.
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Originally posted by Hard Candy
That makes no sense whatsoever. The Palestinians are having a REASON to fight. But what's Israel's?! ANSWER ME.
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The very fact that the Palestinians are fighting. Like I said... do you expect them to sit back and watch? They have to fight just like the Palestinians have to fight.
I don't think Israel would provoke Palestine. It has always been the other way around, at least since 1948. While this is understandable on Palestine's part, you can't say Israel is driving them out of the country, because they aren't. They are fighting the war that the Palestinians started.
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I honestly, honestly don't want to argue about this **** anymore, but it seems like most of the members in here decided we are the one to blame in everything, so someone should stick up for my stupid country...Unfortunately, from all of the people, I'm the only one who can do it .
I don't even want to support my country cuz' I'm not a patriotic what so ever, and I'm not pro war but someone gotta do it if you'll keep going at it.
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Originally posted by Hard Candy
In 1946 there were 600,000 Jews living among 1,300,000 Palestinians.
In 1948 there were 155,000 Palestinians living among 716,700 Jews.
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Is that even possible? That is a drastic change in two years!
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Originally posted by NickLacheyFan
What the hell are you talking about!?
Our goverment was ready to split the land to 2 countries, one for us and one for them.
We backed up from Gaza a few years ago, we wanted to let them rule the place but you know what ended up happening?The Hamas took over the place and used it to fire missiles at us!
And your telling me we are trying to get this piece of land again after we gave it back?Are you insane?!
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Gaza and the west bank are only like 20% of the THEIR land. Who will take the rest of the land? Why would they split THEIR country? Oh God. Are all the Israelis brainwashed like that? Sad.
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