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Discussion: Opinion on State of Israel?
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Mrs. Aaron Paul
if israel stops retaliating against the constant shooting of rockets into their country then they will be destroyed, because Hamas is a terrorist organization (some people dont seem to understand this) that is willing to do anything, including sending its own citizens off as suicide bombers, to wipe israel off the map. and DEAD @ media always siding with them. nobody ever talks about all of Israel's humanitarian work in other countries or all its innovation in medical technology and technology in general. Israel is trying to protect its citizens who are constantly running to bomb shelters and underground shelters because they never know when another round of missiles will come flying toward them. the israeli army gives warnings before they raid an area, they call people directly teling them to get out while they can. no other army does this, that i can think of.
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Because no other army would raid a civilian area and actually admit it
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Originally posted by Mrs. Aaron Paul
if israel stops retaliating against the constant shooting of rockets into their country then they will be destroyed, because Hamas is a terrorist organization (some people dont seem to understand this) that is willing to do anything, including sending its own citizens off as suicide bombers, to wipe israel off the map. and DEAD @ media always siding with them. nobody ever talks about all of Israel's humanitarian work in other countries or all its innovation in medical technology and technology in general. Israel is trying to protect its citizens who are constantly running to bomb shelters and underground shelters because they never know when another round of missiles will come flying toward them. the israeli army gives warnings before they raid an area, they call people directly teling them to get out while they can. no other army does this, that i can think of.
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Who's got the nuclear missles tho? Israel or Hamas?
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Member Since: 8/4/2012
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Originally posted by shelven
If people disagree with Israel having the land, then so be it, but it's ridiculous to say they're "stealing land" because that's just flat out incorrect. Firstly, history has proven that Israel has had Jewish roots for centuries. And by history, I don't mean the Bible - I mean Greek history, Roman history, archaeological discoveries, etc. So it's not like they decided it would be fun to just "steal" land that has always belong to the Palestinians and has never had any Jewish connection.
Secondly, the UN gave Israel the land. If you disagree with the UN's decision, you have the right to do that. But it was a LEGAL, UN decision.
Finally, and most importantly, for all those people who just post the expanding Israel vs. the shrinking Palestine and don't provide any explanation, you can't claim you're unbiased if you don't explain how Israel got its land. Most of the land it got post-1948 was from winning wars. Wars that the various ARAB COUNTRIES started. In fact, after winning the 1967 War, Israel obtained the Sinai Peninsula, an area of land that is bigger than all of modern Israel. Yet they decided to give it BACK to Egypt in exchange for peace. So people who claim that Israel just wants land and not peace, explain why Israel would offer back half of their country just for the promise of peace and nothing else.
As for the argument that the Zionist goal is to make a "purely Jewish state", explain why Arabs not only make up a very significant population of Israel, but also have completely equal right to Jews and even hold seats in the Knesset, Israel's government.
The fact of the matter is that if Hamas agreed lay down its arms, there would be peace. If Israel agreed to lay down its arms, it would be completely eradicated the next day. Like I said, if you feel like the legal UN decision to make Israel a Jewish state was incorrect, you're allowed to think that. But don't pretend that Hamas's goal isn't anything except to get rid of the Jewish people and wipe out Israel.
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I agree with you on some points.
The 1967 war was started by Israel though.
Hamas throwing stones that barely hurt anybody cannot justify tons of rockets droping over civilian houses with a ridiculous phonecall 5 minutes before to inform them their house was picked as a targe for bombing for No reason
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Let me get this straight, cause I'm not very informed on the issue:
Israel was formed by a group of Jewish people because they wanted a place where Jews could live peacefully without being discriminated against. So they chose the country of Palestine because according to the Torah, that is the Jewish Holy Land? So they invaded Palestine for their land and are taking their land til this day?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by shelven
If people disagree with Israel having the land, then so be it, but it's ridiculous to say they're "stealing land" because that's just flat out incorrect. Firstly, history has proven that Israel has had Jewish roots for centuries. And by history, I don't mean the Bible - I mean Greek history, Roman history, archaeological discoveries, etc. So it's not like they decided it would be fun to just "steal" land that has always belong to the Palestinians and has never had any Jewish connection.
Secondly, the UN gave Israel the land. If you disagree with the UN's decision, you have the right to do that. But it was a LEGAL, UN decision.
Finally, and most importantly, for all those people who just post the expanding Israel vs. the shrinking Palestine and don't provide any explanation, you can't claim you're unbiased if you don't explain how Israel got its land. Most of the land it got post-1948 was from winning wars. Wars that the various ARAB COUNTRIES started. In fact, after winning the 1967 War, Israel obtained the Sinai Peninsula, an area of land that is bigger than all of modern Israel. Yet they decided to give it BACK to Egypt in exchange for peace. So people who claim that Israel just wants land and not peace, explain why Israel would offer back half of their country just for the promise of peace and nothing else.
As for the argument that the Zionist goal is to make a "purely Jewish state", explain why Arabs not only make up a very significant population of Israel, but also have completely equal right to Jews and even hold seats in the Knesset, Israel's government.
The fact of the matter is that if Hamas agreed lay down its arms, there would be peace. If Israel agreed to lay down its arms, it would be completely eradicated the next day. Like I said, if you feel like the legal UN decision to make Israel a Jewish state was incorrect, you're allowed to think that. But don't pretend that Hamas's goal isn't anything except to get rid of the Jewish people and wipe out Israel.
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Emphasis on legal UN decision. And I understand it, they're a small population surrounded by hostile forces but nope, they're supposed to turn the other cheeks against attacks by terrorist organizations because wouldn't you know Israel is being a bully.
Israel atleast warns civilians to evacuate before they launch an attact against a terrorist camp. I very much doubt Hamas or any other terrorist organization would give a **** if they had to kill civilians to make a point.
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Originally posted by tittieslap
Let me get this straight, cause I'm not very informed on the issue:
Israel was formed by a group of Jewish people because they wanted a place where Jews could live peacefully without being discriminated against. So they chose the country of Palestine because according to the Torah, that is the Jewish Holy Land? So they invaded Palestine for their land and are taking their land til this day?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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It was given to them in 1948.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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its government is violent and it's done many terrible things. i definitely oppose it and i don't understand why people support it
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by GypsyLife
It was given to them in 1948.
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By who?
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Originally posted by GypsyLife
I made a religion today, I worship the Spaghetti monster as of now.
He told me that the whole street is promised to me. Let me claim it right now.
Rediculious isn't it? That would never happen in the real world.
Now wait a minute....
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Actually, even the Koran, the Holy Book of Muslims, says the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by tittieslap
Let me get this straight, cause I'm not very informed on the issue:
Israel was formed by a group of Jewish people because they wanted a place where Jews could live peacefully without being discriminated against. So they chose the country of Palestine because according to the Torah, that is the Jewish Holy Land? So they invaded Palestine for their land and are taking their land til this day?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Basically:
After WWII, everyone felt guilty about the Holocaust, and also Jews had fled Europe and countries didn't want them, so the UN passed a motion to allow Jews into the Mandate of Palestine. This quickly got out of hand, and eventually Palestine was split into Palestine and Israel. The Arabs who had lived in Israel were angry that their land was being taken, and this starts the whole anger in the Middle East we see today.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Member Since: 8/4/2012
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Originally posted by fabbriche
Actually, even the Koran, the Holy Book of Muslims, says the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews.
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Does it say that it belongs or it belonged?
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by hello_world
Because no other army would raid a civilian area and actually admit it
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theyre looking for terrorists, not civilians. you know, the people who are bombing israel and shooting missiles and using the innocent civilians as human sheilds? because Hamas is a terrorist organization that does not care at all about protecting its people. thats WHY Israeli soldiers tell the civilians to leave in the first place. but Hamas expects the Palenstinians to sacrifice themselves for 'the cause' (and i feel terrible for the people under their control) and have declared open season on every israeli citizen. israel works hard to protect its citizens (a major job of government). Hamas expects its citizens to protect them.
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Member Since: 9/3/2011
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Originally posted by GypsyLife
It was given to them in 1948.
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Yes, as winning allies, the British awarded the land to the Jews. The French took Lebanon.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by tittieslap
Let me get this straight, cause I'm not very informed on the issue:
Israel was formed by a group of Jewish people because they wanted a place where Jews could live peacefully without being discriminated against. So they chose the country of Palestine because according to the Torah, that is the Jewish Holy Land? So they invaded Palestine for their land and are taking their land til this day?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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the UN decided to give this land to the Jewish ppl out of pitty for the horrible things that had happened in the Holocaust as a way to say sorry indirectly I suppose.
then huge diasporas of jewish people from around the world migrated or were deported from European/Middle Eastern and African countries into Israel/Palestine ....then conflict started t occure when Israelis didn't necessarily want to live with the Arabs but more to own the country and so they started an expansionist war claiming different parts of Palestine,Syria,Egypte and Lebanon as theirs . their proof? "the holy torah" and some ancient historic evidence. and so the genocide/war began.
(this is a very simplified explanation tbh)
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Member Since: 5/20/2012
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Hopefully they'll flop soon, they're absolutely vile.
They're doing the same thing to Palestinians that Nazis did to Jews in the 40s. Hypocrisy at its finest.
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Originally posted by fabbriche
Actually, even the Koran, the Holy Book of Muslims, says the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews.
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Fun fact: Palestinians have genetically more in common with ancient Jews than the Jewish settlers.
And really, you're gonna use those old ass books as an argument?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by hello_world
Basically:
After WWII, everyone felt guilty about the Holocaust, and also Jews had fled Europe and countries didn't want them, so the UN passed a motion to allow Jews into the Mandate of Palestine. This quickly got out of hand, and eventually Palestine was split into Palestine and Israel. The Arabs who had lived in Israel were angry that their land was being taken, and this starts the whole anger in the Middle East we see today.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Originally posted by Reader
Yes, as winning allies, the British awarded the land to the Jews. The French took Lebanon.
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Thanks.
So i think that Israel shouldn't exist, or have been created the way it was. Like what's so wrong with just buying land?
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by Mrs. Aaron Paul
if israel stops retaliating against the constant shooting of rockets into their country then they will be destroyed, because Hamas is a terrorist organization (some people dont seem to understand this) that is willing to do anything, including sending its own citizens off as suicide bombers, to wipe israel off the map. and DEAD @ media always siding with them. nobody ever talks about all of Israel's humanitarian work in other countries or all its innovation in medical technology and technology in general. Israel is trying to protect its citizens who are constantly running to bomb shelters and underground shelters because they never know when another round of missiles will come flying toward them. the israeli army gives warnings before they raid an area, they call people directly teling them to get out while they can. no other army does this, that i can think of.
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...so invading other countries is ok as long as they warn them first???
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 39,572
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Originally posted by Mrs. Aaron Paul
theyre looking for terrorists, not civilians. you know, the people who are bombing israel and shotting missiles and using the innocent civilians as human sheilds? because Hamas is a terrorist organization that does not care at all about protecting its people. thats WHY they tell the civilians to leave in the first place. but Hamas expects the Palenstinians to sacrifice themselves for 'the cause' (and i feel terrible for the people under their control) and have declared open season on every israeli citizen. israel works hard to protect its citizens (a major job of government). Hamas expects its citizens to protect them.
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If that's true then why not do a ground operation instead of blanket bombing areas with lots of civilians? I'm sure they want to get the terrorists but they can't care that much about the civilians if they are willing to kill that many as a side effect.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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its one of my favourite countries but i dont agree with what they are doing right now (but Palestine is doing the same so)
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