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TV Clip: Vegan activist destroys ignorant reporter!
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Originally posted by KK_Lover
I think he's not right wait Vegan activist wanna se ya in front of a hungry Lion
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He's said before that him being a vegan would not stop him from defending himself or someone else from an animal attack. But when have you ever seen a cow, chicken, pig, turkey or fish try to kill an animal? Never. They've done nothing to justify our selfish abuse.
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Equating Jews to chickens. What a nut job
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There are too many ignorant posts in this thread for me to respond to, so I'm just gonna make a blanket statement.
Animals feel pain. They do not want to die, suffer, or the like. They did not choose to be where they are, but were rather created by human intervention with the sole purpose of suffering and dying. Humans have the metabolic ability to consume animal flesh and other products, but it is not a necessity to do so, and so doing so is the epitome of selfishness, as it completely favors one species over essentially all others. There is something inherently wrong with the mind of most people in this world - the vast majority of people seem to think that humans are above any other species. But think, use your brain for just a moment: is this truly any different from the way white Americans centuries ago tortured their slaves? Is this truly any different from the way Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, and other individuals were slaughtered during the Holocaust? Is this truly different from the oppression and/or slaughter of any group of humans? The specifics and the targets are obviously different, but the concept behind all of them is exactly the same. Humans are no better than any other species, and no other species is any better than humans. We are equal.
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Originally posted by TheNight
There are too many ignorant posts in this thread for me to respond to, so I'm just gonna make a blanket statement.
Animals feel pain. They do not want to die, suffer, or the like. They did not choose to be where they are, but were rather created by human intervention with the sole purpose of suffering and dying. Humans have the metabolic ability to consume animal flesh and other products, but it is not a necessity to do so, and so doing so is the epitome of selfishness, as it completely favors one species over essentially all others. There is something wrong with the mind of most people in this world - the vast majority of people seem to think that humans are above any other species. But think, use your brain for just a moment: is this truly any different from the way white Americans centuries ago tortured their slaves? Is this truly any different from the way Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, and other individuals were slaughtered during the Holocaust? Is this truly different from the oppression and/or slaughter of any group of humans? The specifics and the targets are obviously different, but the concept behind all of them is exactly the same. Humans are no better than any other species, and no other species is any better than humans. We are equal.
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Human beings are so arrogant... on both fronts... like, we been eating meat for centuries, it's normal (killing an animal is animal behavior, we are in fact animals. let's not pretend we're somehow superior), but at the same time, we're eating waaaaaay too much of it now (the meat and poultry industries are abominable and they need to be stopped) and for most of us it's not a neccesity, just a luxury...
I only eat fish and turkey, but fish are rapidly declining and I kinda feel bad.
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
A true omnivore doesn't risk heart disease, obesity, cancer, strokes and osteoporosis in nature. These are all preventable first world, diet related diseases. You can't be fat and sick if you follow a healthy vegan diet. It's impossible.
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An excess of meat consumption leads to all those diseases you mentioned. Not the normal, controlled and acceptable dietary consumption of meat. It's imperative you know the difference before you make such an erroneous claim.
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Originally posted by Mhs90
An excess of meat consumption leads to all those diseases you mentioned. Not the normal, controlled and acceptable dietary consumption of meat. It's imperative you know the difference before you make such an erroneous claim.
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Well okay, let's look at it from a medical stance and ignore the horrendous cruelty behind the meat and dairy industry (as if that wasn't enough reason to stop). Why would you put yourself at risk when you could eat unlimited amounts of fruits, vegetables and grains and be in the best shape of your life? Plus you should know the dietary guidelines are subsidized ********.
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It all comes down to whether you believe its right or wrong.
As a Christian I believe that there is intrinsic value to both humans and animals and at the same time the Bible says that we are allowed to eat pretty much everything.
As an vegan and most likely an atheist there isn't a rational reason to add intrinsic value to an animals life yet alone value to your own... So why is it worth protecting? (the life of an animal?)
There is no defining right or wrong.
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Originally posted by Javan
It all comes down to whether you believe its right or wrong.
As a Christian I believe that there is intrinsic value to both humans and animals and at the same time the Bible says that we are allowed to eat pretty much everything.
As an vegan and most likely an atheist there isn't a rational reason to add intrinsic value to an animals life yet alone value to your own... So why is it worth protecting? (the life of an animal?)
There is no defining right or wrong.
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Selfishly ending lives is wrong. The torture of any species is wrong. Skinning is wrong. Forceful impregnation is wrong. Taking a mothers' baby is wrong. Murder is wrong. Exploitation is wrong. Anyone with a brain knows this is wrong.
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
Selfishly ending lives is wrong. The torture of any species is wrong. Skinning is wrong. Forceful impregnation is wrong. Taking a mothers' baby is wrong. Murder is wrong. Exploitation is wrong. Anyone with a brain knows this is wrong.
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But my moral code tells me that eating animals isn't. So why is your moral code superior?
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Originally posted by Javan
But my moral code tells me that eating animals isn't. So why is your moral code superior?
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So everything I named in my previous post is alright as long as it's not done on a human?
Being compassionate to all living beings, especially those that can't defend themselves, is superior to supporting cruelty. So yes, my moral code is superior.
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These kind of threads always ended up being a mess.
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
Well okay, let's look at it from a medical stance and ignore the horrendous cruelty behind the meat and dairy industry (as if that wasn't enough reason to stop). Why would you put yourself at risk when you could eat unlimited amounts of fruits, vegetables and grains and be in the best shape of your life? Plus you should know the dietary guidelines are subsidized ********.
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Fruits, vegetables, and grains also pose a risk factor with the use of genetic modifications and pesticides. However, we still consume them because the benefits of a higher supply for everybody outweighs the risk of obtaining disease. And by the way, unlimited amounts of fruits and vegetables also pose harm. Anything in excess is not good for the body.
Eating normal amounts of meat with daily exercise puts your risk at almost nill. Sure, if you have crappy familial genetics then you should eat less meat and that's a responsibility the consumer has to make. However, to say meat = ALL these diseases is totally erroneous. It's the abuse in consumption that's to blame.
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
Selfishly ending lives is wrong. The torture of any species is wrong. Skinning is wrong. Forceful impregnation is wrong. Taking a mothers' baby is wrong. Murder is wrong. Exploitation is wrong. Anyone with a brain knows this is wrong.
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The places where I obtain my meat from (and I have full knowledge of this) don't involve the torture of animals.
Your moral compass isn't superior to anybody's nor is mine. We have a different code of ethics and thus are incomparable. I believe that the consumption of animals is humane as long as the animal was put through the path of least resistance, pain, and suffering.
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
A true omnivore doesn't risk heart disease, obesity, cancer, strokes and osteoporosis in nature. These are all preventable first world, diet related diseases. You can't be fat and sick if you follow a healthy vegan diet. It's impossible.
And that is a lie. Grains, legumes and potatoes are the cheapest foods on the planet. Plus any "extra" money that might be spent on food is saved in not needing medication later on in life.
So we should respect your decision to pay someone else to torture and kill innocent lives? **** outta here.
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I assume that you're vegan but if they want to eat meat, let them do that, it's all up to them, it's none of your business.
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Vegans trying to force their opinion and thereby turning everyone away from the vegan concept as usual
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I disagree so much with the 'humans are not more important than animals' argument I can't accept that organisms incapable of conscious thought should be considered in the same light and with the same complexity than humans are.
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Originally posted by Mhs90
Fruits, vegetables, and grains also pose a risk factor with the use of genetic modifications and pesticides. However, we still consume them because the benefits of a higher supply for everybody outweighs the risk of obtaining disease. And by the way, unlimited amounts of fruits and vegetables also pose harm. Anything in excess is not good for the body.
Eating normal amounts of meat with daily exercise puts your risk at almost nill. Sure, if you have crappy familial genetics then you should eat less meat and that's a responsibility the consumer has to make. However, to say meat = ALL these diseases is totally erroneous. It's the abuse in consumption that's to blame.
The places where I obtain my meat from (and I have full knowledge of this) don't involve the torture of animals.
Your moral compass isn't superior to anybody's nor is mine. We have a different code of ethics and thus are incomparable. I believe that the consumption of animals is humane as long as the animal was put through the path of least resistance, pain, and suffering.
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You mentioned pesticides. There's a reason organic produce exists.
There is no such thing as an "excess" of fruits and vegetables. Excess implies that you are putting your body at risk for something, which fruits and vegetables will not do. Look up 80/10/10 high carb vegans. They eat fruits and vegetables in "excessive" amounts and are in perfect health.
And yes, someone advocating peace is better than someone who believes murder is right.
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Originally posted by UnusualBoy
I assume that you're vegan but if they want to eat meat, let them do that, it's all up to them, it's none of your business.
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I couldn't care less about them health wise. It's their choice to mess up their one and only body like that.
However, there is a problem with unnecessary cruelty regardless of species. If we don't stand up for them who will? They can't defend themselves.
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
And yes, someone advocating peace is better than someone who believes murder is right.
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Sorry, I'm not going to equate myself with an animal abuser who puts their dogs in a dog-fight to be beaten to a pulp or their cats in a microwave to see what wondrous events might happen. THAT'S murder.
Create peace with your fellow humans by respecting their decision and choice before you start defending animals.
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
So everything I named in my previous post is alright as long as it's not done on a human?
Being compassionate to all living beings, especially those that can't defend themselves, is superior to supporting cruelty. So yes, my moral code is superior.
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You're so not getting it.
Why are you adding value to non human life? Just because you can? That doesn't make your moral code superior.
Claiming that animals are even worth protecting is claiming that there is intrinsic value to an animals life. Who is giving that animal value? Who? You? Who are you? Just because you think they deserve to be protected doesn't make it true, right or fact. You're moral code isn't superior to anyone else's. Goodbye.
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Originally posted by Mhs90
Sorry, I'm not going to equate myself with an animal abuser who puts their dogs in a dog-fight to be beaten to a pulp or their cats in a microwave to see what wondrous events might happen. THAT'S murder.
Create peace with your fellow humans by respecting their decision and choice before you start defending animals.
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Slaughtering animals = murder. You are just as bad as the person you pay to do the dirty work for you.
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