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Discussion: Black vs Gay
Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by jomarr
If a word is unacceptable, it should be unacceptable to everyone.
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The N word didn't just appear out of a vacuum. To make it off limits to everyone equally would mean stripping the word of its historical context. Fact is, white people did f*cked up things to black people in the past and the creation and use of the word n*gga/n°gger is one of those things so, out of respect, white folks should not say it.
It's not about fairness it's about white people realizing just how horrible slavery and racism were and respecting the fact that there is a word that black people choose to hold on to as a way of alleviating the pain that it is associated with. Think less about "the word" and more about its historical contextual usage and ask yourself again why white people should be able to use the word freely?
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Member Since: 12/2/2011
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I'm black & gay, but I'm more offended at the N word than anything.
I was called the N word as far back as 8 years old (supposedly my sister says I fought people because It but I don't remember) and the last time it was an issue I was 12 and it caused me to fight quite a few people
It doesn't bother me as much now that I'm older and I have control overt anger, I just look at people who use it in a defensive manner as ignorant and pathetic
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Member Since: 1/3/2014
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I think society both glamorized and popularized the two terms into a ball of confusion. The same way "that's so gay" doesn't mean "that's so homosexual" or "that's so happy" - The same way f**k can mean anything..If you can look pass the word itself, you'll find your answer as to whether or not you're actually offended or not. However, in both cases, these people shouldn't be throwing either word around in public. The internet is one petty thing, but damn, know your place.
A white person trying to get down and use the word ni**a as a term of endearment is corny, ignorant and cackle-worthy. It's not racism, it's black cultures impact on the white youth. Also, calling someone a fa**ot because they ate the last slice of pizza is not homophobic.
Now here's an example of both these words being used in one single sentence in a hateful manner.
It's 2014 and Fa**ot Ni**as are still being imprisoned/tortured/killed by law in many parts of Africa
Now, tell me... Which word is more offensive in that sentence?
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Member Since: 8/6/2012
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Originally posted by KingsOfLeon1994
I'm black & gay, but I'm more offended at the N word than anything.
I was called the N word as far back as 8 years old (supposedly my sister says I fought people because It but I don't remember) and the last time it was an issue I was 12 and it caused me to fight quite a few people
It doesn't bother me as much now that I'm older and I have control overt anger, I just look at people who use it in a defensive manner as ignorant and pathetic
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I had to correct this one black girl to never call me n***a again I do not play that at all.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Ni**** is more offensive if used in the right context imo, because of how it came about
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
This is also another problem. When a black person says the word, I can dismiss it. It's safe to assume they don't harbor any feelings of superiority toward me since we're on equal playing feels. The word is truly benign then.
But when a white person says it, it doesn't sit right. It just reminds me of how white people used to use that word (yes the -gga variation!! Just watch 12 Years A Slave) casually to assert their dominance.
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TF out, why you acting like you were alive in the 1850's mining and singing the blues?
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by I Am Music
I had to correct this one black girl to never call me n***a again I do not play that at all.
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All of my friends used to use that word. I explained why i hated the word and i still do. Till this day none of my friend use the word. Some of my middle eastern friends have tried to say sand ****** and it gets me so upset. Read a book.
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Member Since: 8/6/2012
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Originally posted by IggyAzalea
Ni**** is more offensive if used in the right context imo, because of how it came about
TF out, why you acting like you were alive in the 1850's mining and singing the blues?
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But they're not...
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by IggyAzalea
Ni**** is more offensive if used in the right context imo, because of how it came about
TF out, why you acting like you were alive in the 1850's mining and singing the blues?
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BYE, Shirley!
I don't have to be alive in the 1850s to hear my parent's stories regarding the despicable names and discrimination they endured.
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Member Since: 12/2/2011
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Originally posted by I Am Music
I had to correct this one black girl to never call me n***a again I do not play that at all.
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I use the word ***** at times, I know I shouldn't and I'm working on erasing it Fromm vocabulary
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I just thought of a time I was on the bus last year during my 12th grade year and this white kid asking MY permission to say "my *****" while he was conversing with friends I was like Idk I'm not gonna be offended
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I find it hypocritical how gay posters on this board expect everyone to sympathize with their struggles but yet they can even rap their heads around the severe oppression and consequences of racism. As if they are superior.
I've NEVER met a gay person who is a pissy as some of the posters here and two of my besties, an aunt, a great-uncle, one cousin, and a few other friends are gay.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
The N word didn't just appear out of a vacuum. To make it off limits to everyone equally would mean stripping the word of its historical context. Fact is, white people did f*cked up things to black people in the past and the creation and use of the word n*gga/n°gger is one of those things so, out of respect, white folks should not say it.
It's not about fairness it's about white people realizing just how horrible slavery and racism were and respecting the fact that there is a word that black people choose to hold on to as a way of alleviating the pain that it is associated with. Think less about "the word" and more about its historical contextual usage and ask yourself again why white people should be able to use the word freely?
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You think when someone's rapping, using n*gga every other word, they're thinking about the historical contextual usage?
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Quote:
Originally posted by I Am Music
I had to correct this one black girl to never call me n***a again I do not play that at all.
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I tried correcting a white gay just last Saturday at a party about using the word and he kept calling everyone "his n-gga" as he greeted them under the false pretense of "freedom of speech"... He was basically doing it out of spite for me calling him out―knowing full well I couldn't do anything about it.
He was even accidently mixing "n-gga" and "n-gger" like it was nothing. That's the problem with white people using it. To them, it's just a word. To us, overcoming the power of that word is an important part our history.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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This thread is a MESS
I said it before and I'll say it again.
The meaning of words change over time. It also changes from context to context. Contextualization and intentionality are everything (rather than the words themselves). This is NOT AN OPINION, this is a scientific fact. Sociolinguistics is a REAL science.
There's no black vs gay. It's case by case.
If you're using F****t in an arguement as a way to hurt someone vs Someone hastagging their white child as disn***a in a positive context and something that's been socially acceptable amoung friends for years now, OBVIOUSLY the slur aimed to hurt somoneone based on their sexuality is worse.
On the flip side
If someone uses the word "n***r in an arguement directed as a slur about their race as a way to hurt them vs a bunch of friends calling each other F*****s OBVIOUSLY the worse one is the racial comment.
It's all about intentionality people.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Queen_Madonna
This thread is a MESS
I said it before and I'll say it again.
The meaning of words change over time. It also changes from context to context. Contextualization and intentionality are everything (rather than the words themselves). This is NOT AN OPINION, this is a scientific fact. Sociolinguistics is a REAL science.
There's no black vs gay. It's case by case.
If you're using F****t in an arguement as a way to hurt someone vs Someone hastagging their white child as disn***a in a positive context and something that's been socially acceptable amoung friends for years now, OBVIOUSLY the slur aimed to hurt somoneone based on their sexuality is worse.
On the flip side
If someone uses the word "n***r in an arguement directed as a slur about their race as a way to hurt them vs a bunch of friends calling each other F*****s OBVIOUSLY the worse one is the racial comment.
It's all about intentionality people.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Quote:
Originally posted by IggyAzalea
You think when someone's rapping, using n*gga every other word, they're thinking about the historical contextual usage?
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Of course not. It'd be futile to try and analyze the word on per use basis. Some people use it in a greeting "Wats good, my *****?" Some people use it as just a replacement noun "That ***** right there is crazy." etc. The overall reason why the word is so prominent in the black lexicon, though, is what's really important.
And like I wrote before:
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there is a word that black people choose to hold on to as a way of alleviating the pain that it is associated with
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That same logic is what also makes the case for it's non-usage in whites. There's a reason why the word has severely diminished in use in the white lexicon. And it has everything to do with historical usage.
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Member Since: 4/7/2009
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Originally posted by EnigmaPopstar
The N word is not used to offend /thread
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Another member putting their foot in their mouth. Never fails.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
Posts: 140
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Quote:
Originally posted by Queen_Madonna
This thread is a MESS
I said it before and I'll say it again.
The meaning of words change over time. It also changes from context to context. Contextualization and intentionality are everything (rather than the words themselves). This is NOT AN OPINION, this is a scientific fact. Sociolinguistics is a REAL science.
There's no black vs gay. It's case by case.
If you're using F****t in an arguement as a way to hurt someone vs Someone hastagging their white child as disn***a in a positive context and something that's been socially acceptable amoung friends for years now, OBVIOUSLY the slur aimed to hurt somoneone based on their sexuality is worse.
On the flip side
If someone uses the word "n***r in an arguement directed as a slur about their race as a way to hurt them vs a bunch of friends calling each other F*****s OBVIOUSLY the worse one is the racial comment.
It's all about intentionality people.
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If there's malicious intent behind it, then even ''person of mixed race'' is evil, if there are the best intentions behind it by a cool person, ''f*ggot'' is the best compliment one can get.
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Member Since: 8/10/2010
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like how can you compare racism with homophobia?
This is easily one of the silliest threads I've seen on atrl.
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Member Since: 1/3/2014
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Wtf is the F word? Is t the f in wtf? Cause I dont get whats bad about that word
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Member Since: 1/25/2012
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Both are unacceptable. But all the non blacks here that are defending the allowance of the N word are ****ing stupid, I'm sorry. Just because it is still used by a portion of the black community does not mean it is acceptable to use the word, ESPECIALLY by white people. Why? Give yourself a history lesson.
Plus, I see so many people here calling each other the F word, so with most of you guys' logic, is it okay for everyone to say the F word now too?
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