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Discussion: Why did Billboard ruin the Urban charts?
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Originally posted by iHypeMusic
dd;; someone tweet this topic to every person who has a Twitter and works for Billboard.
I don't think they listen to Urban enough to realize how out of touch the charts are.  |
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Originally posted by Honey
Why are pop spins counted on genre charts (R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, Country Songs, etc.)? I find it unfair that an artist like Macklemore is getting 10 week+ #1s on R&B/Hip-Hop Songs despite having little to no urban airplay. |
I asked Bill in August the logic behind the rule change and this was his response:
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Originally posted by Bwerde
because we judge the music, and not whether or not radio plays it in this instance. macklemore is a rapper, making rap tracks. due to a combination of radio and sales, his rap tracks are the most popular rap tracks in the US, regardless of which formats are playing them.
follow the logic? you can feel free to disagree. but thats the reasoning.
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They ruin all the genre charts
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Originally posted by Honey
I asked Bill in August the logic behind the rule change and this was his response:
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That's dumb as hell.
The OVERALL chart is the one that measures that appropriately. 'Thrift Shop' ofcourse deserved to go #1 because it was the most listened to track.
But why the hell should it have gone #1 on Hot Rap Songs, when not listened to by Rap listeners? A song being popular does not mean it's popular behind the listeners of that genre, which genre charts should accurately represent.
Genre charts should represent the community of the genre, and not just breakdown the Hot 100's top ranked Country/Rap/etc songs no matter who's actually listening to them. If so -- what are the use of them, when any of us could just make a list of the Rap/Country/etc songs appearing on the Hot 100 in an descending order?
I would've got a WP over him that day tbh.
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Here's to hoping this plays in Nicki's favor next era so she can still make a Urban track with pop influences and smash a biT on all sides of the chart.
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Originally posted by BeamMeUp
Where did Diamonds peak on Urban radio?
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#1's on R&B Songs so far:
Rihanna - Diamonds [15 weeks @ #1]
Justin Timberlake - Suit & Tie [15 weeks @ #1]
Robin Thicke - Blurred Lines [19 weeks @ #1]
Drake - Hold On, We're Going Home [12 weeks @ #1]
Beyonce - Drunk In Love [1 week @ #1]
Outside of Beyonce and the bae Drake, those are songs are "r&b" that are listened to by the POP COMMUNITY.
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Blurred Lines spent weeks at #1 on the R&B Airplay chart too though.
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I think they said they made the changes to help make certain genres crossover more or something like that.
And I think in that regard, they've been somewhat successful. There's way more urban music in the mainstream in 2013 than 2012. Granted, it's mostly by white people but it had to start somewhere.
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Originally posted by Green
Blurred Lines spent weeks at #1 on the R&B Airplay chart too though.
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True, obviously Blurred Lines was a smash period anywhere, and everywhere -- but my point is, you see how songs that aren't really in the genre or popular among the genres listeners can constantly go #1 for long periods of time? The only requirement is them becoming popular mainstream.
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Originally posted by atrlster
I think they said they made the changes to help make certain genres crossover more or something like that.
And I think in that regard, they've been somewhat successful. There's way more urban music in the mainstream in 2013 than 2012. Granted, it's mostly by white people but it had to start somewhere.
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Miley Cyrus, PSY, Mackelmore are not urban.
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Originally posted by atrlster
I think they said they made the changes to help make certain genres crossover more or something like that.
And I think in that regard, they've been somewhat successful. There's way more urban music in the mainstream in 2013 than 2012. Granted, it's mostly by white people but it had to start somewhere.
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2013 was the first year in Hot 100 history to not have a black artist go #1 as a Lead Artist.
No black artists, or R&B/Hip-Hop songs from Urban artists went #1 on Mainstream 40 / Pop / Country / Rock Charts.
So who exactly is this helping expand? The pop artists who've already been #1 everywhere to begin with. 
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Originally posted by iHypeMusic
True, obviously Blurred Lines was a smash period anywhere, and everywhere -- but my point is, you see how songs that aren't really in the genre or popular among the genres listeners can constantly go #1 for long periods of time? The only requirement is them becoming popular mainstream. |
Maybe they should only include the Urban airplay instead of including overall airplay.
Something like R&B / hip hop airplay + Sales + Streaming.
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Originally posted by Green
Maybe they should only include the Urban airplay instead of including overall airplay.
Something like R&B / hip hop airplay + Sales + Streaming.
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It only needs to be R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay PERIOD.
Sales (like Thrift Shop doing 5x Platinum in US) are influenced by the overall community, and not only Urban. Same with Streaming.
Urban Airplay is only controlled / decided from the Urban community.
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Only 2 Urban artists (Jay-Z and Eminem) have went #1 on Hot Rap Songs dis year and Psy, Flo Rida, and Macklemore have went #1. Flo Rida and Jay-Z also the only black rappers #1 on Hot Rap Songs this year.
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PSY, Flo Rida and Macklemore are all rappers. Releasing rap songs, or songs with rap elements. Charting on a chart for rap songs. Why with the racial selectivity? I find it borders on offensive.
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Originally posted by Green
Maybe they should only include the Urban airplay instead of including overall airplay.
Something like R&B / hip hop airplay + Sales + Streaming.
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Even if they included sales, it would be misrepresentative of what listeners are buying it. It would probably only benefit those songs that are crossover hits like HO,WGH, BL, etc.
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Originally posted by jinzo
PSY, Flo Rida and Macklemore are all rappers. Releasing rap songs. Charting on a chart for rap songs. Why with the racial selectivity? I find it borders on offensive.
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Flo Rida is black, tho???
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Blurred Lines, its power. The biggest crossover R&B hit of the decade since Irreplaceable. 
kii @ Diamonds being R&B/Hip-Hop tho.
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Honestly, I don't like the fact that Macklemore is slaying the Hip Hop charts either, but I think the rules behind it are solid. It should be about the song genre, not his popularity on a certain format.
That said, "Thrift Shop" and "Siamonds" are both Pop songs.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Flo Rida is black, tho???
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Black, Asian, White- anyone should be able to release a rap song and have a fair chance for it to chart on a rap chart. Music is universal and we shouldn't gate it off or act as the gatekeepers.
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