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Discussion: Are Singles More Important to an Artist's Legacy?
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Originally posted by CakeLike
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and the funny thing about both these albums is that they produced 2 of the biggest, most iconic singles of the past decade.
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Originally posted by posh
Singles are obviously a big part of a legacy, every legend has at least one stand-out track that's proved to withstand the tests of time. Whitney with IWALY, Celine with MHWGO, Madonna with LAV, MJ with BJ etc. There's no denying that having those huge songs will help cement your name in history, every artists has to have that one song that automatically comes to mind when you mention them.
However, you can't build a legacy off of singles alone. Especially when most (or in the case of Rihanna, all) are forgettable and interchangeable. No artist should want to be remembered as "that girl with that song" and that's the direction some of these girls are going into. Albums are a HUGE part of creating a legacy. An album takes the listener through a journey and gives them something that will truly stick with them. It's not something they bop to at the clubs when they are drunk, it has a lot more value to it. The fact that 4 was one of the best physically selling albums of the year just goes to show that people are still thirsty for that journey. They recognize the name and love the music.
Also, you're acting like Bey & Gaga haven't had their fair share of amazing single success, which just isn't true. They have both had iconic WW smashes that have become iconic in of themselves. Rih has yet to release a single that's surpassed the impact SL and CIL had. Katy has yet (although this is probs arguable) to release a single that's surpassed Poker Face. 
When an artist has created such an iconic, massive name for themselves like Beyonce, Mariah, Whitney etc. they don't NEED to worry about creating generic dance hits to gain attention. They know that their album will be able to sell because of the huge fanbase and general praise they have received throughout the years. They sell because their music is good, not because their lead single was forced down our throats. |
Perfectly put.
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Originally posted by Kula
Born This Way with only 2 hits sold more than Teenage Dream with 8 hits in a row. kii
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What? 2 copies? With a 99 cent deal?
TD sold 66M records, BTW... 26M ... Bye! 
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This is how this thread will go
The Rihanna, Katy, Ke$ha, and Pitbull fans will say singles and more important.
The Gaga, Beyonce, and Adele fans will say albums are more important.
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In today's time, yes. Overall it's albums in the long run
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
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this. and GGGB, questionably Loud & maybe UNPLGTC if she carries the era on. also, IASF. Teenage Dream, Born This Way + more.
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
When you said "RR" I thought you were referring to "Russian Roulette" and not "Rated R" .My bad..
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Oooh lol sorry
But, Russian Roulette is kind of iconic where I live, it remember it so well I mean..
Was it a flop in US?
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Originally posted by posh;17450881[B
]Singles are obviously a big part of a legacy, every legend has at least one stand-out track that's proved to withstand the tests of time. Whitney with IWALY, Celine with MHWGO, Madonna with LAV, MJ with BJ etc. There's no denying that having those huge songs will help cement your name in history, every artists has to have that one song that automatically comes to mind when you mention them.[/B]
However, you can't build a legacy off of singles alone. Especially when most (or in the case of Rihanna, all) are forgettable and interchangeable. No artist should want to be remembered as "that girl with that song" and that's the direction some of these girls are going into. Albums are a HUGE part of creating a legacy. An album takes the listener through a journey and gives them something that will truly stick with them. It's not something they bop to at the clubs when they are drunk, it has a lot more value to it. The fact that 4 was one of the best physically selling albums of the year just goes to show that people are still thirsty for that journey. They recognize the name and love the music.
Also, you're acting like Bey & Gaga haven't had their fair share of amazing single success, which just isn't true. They have both had iconic WW smashes that have become iconic in of themselves. Rih has yet to release a single that's surpassed the impact SL and CIL had. Katy has yet (although this is probs arguable) to release a single that's surpassed Poker Face.
When an artist has created such an iconic, massive name for themselves like Beyonce, Mariah, Whitney etc. they don't NEED to worry about creating generic dance hits to gain attention. They know that their album will be able to sell because of the huge fanbase and general praise they have received throughout the years. They sell because their music is good, not because their lead single was forced down our throats. |
The bold is flawless and I loved the fact you included Whitney I mean her last album went #1 and sold millions all based off of her name alone (well not really but you get my drift)
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
Yes tbh.
Singles = relevance, legacy
Albums = fan base, power
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100% agree with this.
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Originally posted by ontherocks
The album sales are where the money is, for an artist and for a label. Ask every artist what thery would like to have: a smash hit single or two or a multiplatinum album and I am sure, no artist would tell you that they'd choose the single(s)
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Wow, this is so untrue.  Radio stations have to pay the label everytime they play one of their singles. For a label it's like this:
Tours > Singles > Albums
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Originally posted by lostinparadise
*coughs* Umbrella *coughs* WFL *coughs* Diamonds *coughs*  |
Were you alive during the Single Ladies reign?
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Originally posted by posh
Singles are obviously a big part of a legacy, every legend has at least one stand-out track that's proved to withstand the tests of time. Whitney with IWALY, Celine with MHWGO, Madonna with LAV, MJ with BJ etc. There's no denying that having those huge songs will help cement your name in history, every artists has to have that one song that automatically comes to mind when you mention them.
However, you can't build a legacy off of singles alone. Especially when most (or in the case of Rihanna, all) are forgettable and interchangeable. No artist should want to be remembered as "that girl with that song" and that's the direction some of these girls are going into. Albums are a HUGE part of creating a legacy. An album takes the listener through a journey and gives them something that will truly stick with them. It's not something they bop to at the clubs when they are drunk, it has a lot more value to it. The fact that 4 was one of the best physically selling albums of the year just goes to show that people are still thirsty for that journey. They recognize the name and love the music.
Also, you're acting like Bey & Gaga haven't had their fair share of amazing single success, which just isn't true. They have both had iconic WW smashes that have become iconic in of themselves. Rih has yet to release a single that's surpassed the impact SL and CIL had. Katy has yet (although this is probs arguable) to release a single that's surpassed Poker Face.
When an artist has created such an iconic, massive name for themselves like Beyonce, Mariah, Whitney etc. they don't NEED to worry about creating generic dance hits to gain attention. They know that their album will be able to sell because of the huge fanbase and general praise they have received throughout the years. They sell because their music is good, not because their lead single was forced down our throats. |
This entire post is ridiculous.
What makes Rihanna's hits "forgettable". And if they're so "forgettable" why are they so instantly recognizable and well known. You can't seriously think people have forgotten Umbrella, Disturbia, Take A Bow, Rude Boy, Whats My Name, Only Girl, Stay. Obviously as songs get older new ones will become more relevant but they are still remembered.
You're also implied that if someone gets a hit that it is automatically generic dance pop being shoved down our throats. I don't understand the shoved down our throats argument because Radio plays songs based off of how the audience react. Videos are watched and singles are bought by us as consumers. You implying that they songs are being FORCED to be hits by the artists is very inaccurate and shows you have a poor understand of how songs become hits.
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Singles are highly important to an artists legacy.
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Name a artist who left a legacy that didn't sale album?
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
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no, sorry. She's really a singles artist, nobody knows the album, just the hitsingles.
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
Wow, this is so untrue. Radio stations have to pay the label everytime they play one of their singles. For a label it's like this:
Tours > Singles > Albums |
just in case the artist has a 360 deal
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
Wow, this is so untrue. Radio stations have to pay the label everytime they play one of their singles. For a label it's like this:
Tours > Singles > Albums |
This. Also, Artist make money from Pandora (and internet radio), Spotify (streaming services) and YouTube views....
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Originally posted by CakeLike
Anyone can get a number one single, getting people to buy an actual album is much harder. Carly rae jepson can sell singles, soulja boy can sell singles, PSY can sell singles.
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Originally posted by CakeLike
Because some artists priority is not to get a song to shoot to number one all the time. They are satisfied with using singles to promote their albums, not release singles for the sole purpose of shooting to number one.
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Oh dear, your denial 
Gaga is always TRYING to get her latest singles charting as high as possible.
Anyway, it's not that she's a flop for not getting #1 (or even cracking the top 3), it's just HARDER for singles to peak high than for albums.
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
This entire post is ridiculous.
What makes Rihanna's hits "forgettable". And if they're so "forgettable" why are they so instantly recognizable and well known. You can't seriously think people have forgotten Umbrella, Disturbia, Take A Bow, Rude Boy, Whats My Name, Only Girl, Stay. Obviously as songs get older new ones will become more relevant but they are still remembered.
You're also implied that if someone gets a hit that it is automatically generic dance pop being shoved down our throats. I don't understand the shoved down our throats argument because Radio plays songs based off of how the audience react. Videos are watched and singles are bought by us as consumers. You implying that they songs are being FORCED to be hits by the artists is very inaccurate and shows you have a poor understand of how songs become hits.
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No only the part when it says that all Rihanna singles are forgettable is riduculous, the other parts are pretty right.
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Originally posted by BEYinfamous
Name a artist who left a legacy that didn't sale album?
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I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying albums aren't important, I'm saying singles are arguably more important. Name a current artist this decade with legacy who didn't sell singles...
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