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Discussion: Pop Girls Worst Career Mistakes
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Originally posted by zombaland
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I actually loved Cannibal era more than Animal. Every song was amazing!
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unpopular opinion, but I agree.. Cannibal was more solid then animal.
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Demi Lovato - releasing a 2nd single 7th months after the lead single (which had died 3 months into the Unbroken era)
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I disagree about Born This Way. She set herself up for failure when she hyped the **** out of it. Got people sick of it before they even heard it and by claiming it was SO amazing, it turns people off and they'll trash her/want her to fail even if they like it.
Honestly, Gaga did some interview where she was weeping saying how it's so hard being a pop star because everyone wants you to fail, blah blah. Well, then don't hype yourself up to be SO amazing and people might be more receptive towards you. Not that difficult a concept.
Judas was also stupid. I like the song, but she tried way too hard. Releasing it during Easter to drum up controversy.. trying to make a statement.. just a mess. There's no need for it. TEOG video did ruin any momentum, I agree with that. I don't think there were any smashes on the album left after that. And apparently her label didn't think so either after MTN failed or they'd have released another.
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No. The hype may have not lived up to the albums quality (nor could it have) but the momentum she had going was insane. The promotion prior to Born This Way was probably the biggest marketing for a single album EVER, and it genuinely could have performed a lot like 21 if it wasn't for Judas being released so early. It could have gotten single treatment, but not on Easter, as you said. Marry The Night and Hair also coulda been potential singles, given the hype and catchy choruses. The hype was enough to get a Katy Perry like streak of hits, but she completely ruined it with Judas.
She really coulda used all that marketing and promotion to her advantage..
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Miley's was releasing Can't Be Tamed as the lead single for the era.
Not sure/don't care enough about the other girls.
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Originally posted by mariska
How was Erotica a mistake? It cemented Madonna as a controversial popstar and is probably one of the most influential pop albums ever, sheerly because of the sexual content. It seemed like a mistake at the time, but it really distinguished herself between the other girls.
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It was a reckless move. Up until that point, her timing was impeccable and she knew exactly how far to push the envelope. She already mined sex for all it was worth after "Justify My Love." She's never bounced back from that era completely. When she gets asked in interviews about the book, she's not articulate about it at all, which makes it seems like more a PR stunt than an actual piece of art with a purpose or a statement.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
It was a reckless move. Up until that point, her timing was impeccable and she knew exactly how far to push the envelope. She already mined sex for all it was worth after "Justify My Love." She's never bounced back from that era completely. When she gets asked in interviews about the book, she's not articulate about it at all, which makes it seems like more a PR stunt than an actual piece of art with a purpose or a statement.
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She never bounced back? She had Ray of Light and Confessions.
Her career seemed to be over at the time, but it really just made her an icon lol.
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Originally posted by kaleidoscope
Miley's was releasing Can't Be Tamed as the lead single for the era.
Not sure/don't care enough about the other girls.
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The whole era was mistake and screamed TRY HARD, Miley thought she was maturing but didn't realize all the fans she was leaving behind, she also didn't see how much the 20-30 year old crowd was NOT going to use her at all, she was in such a rush to "grow up" that in a way she screwed herself over.
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Britney: not releasing original doll
Xtina: not promoting bionic enough. It had so much potential
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Originally posted by mariska
No. The hype may have not lived up to the albums quality (nor could it have) but the momentum she had going was insane. The promotion prior to Born This Way was probably the biggest marketing for a single album EVER, and it genuinely could have performed a lot like 21 if it wasn't for Judas being released so early. It could have gotten single treatment, but not on Easter, as you said. Marry The Night and Hair also coulda been potential singles, given the hype and catchy choruses. The hype was enough to get a Katy Perry like streak of hits, but she completely ruined it with Judas.
She really coulda used all that marketing and promotion to her advantage..
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I don't know, honestly. I like Gaga overall, I just don't think this album ever had a chance of selling like 21. She's too out there. She has an extremely large fan base but beyond that her songs on that album I didn't find to be as engaging or nearly as emotion evoking as the singles off 21. Lady Gaga has much less appeal than Adele to most women.
Also just because Gaga had the greatest promotion EVER leading up to BTW (which I agree with) that doesn't mean it's going to sell past the first few weeks. It needs the material. Adele hardly did any promotion most of the time.. the songs were speaking for themselves and making people want more. Nothing on Born This Way with the exception of maybe The Edge Of Glory could have moved albums like that.
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Gaga's BTW mistake was the handling of the singles. That's really all there is to it. And her TFM mistake was cutting the era so short. Dance In the Dark and Monster would've made amazing singles.
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Originally posted by MJ0497
I don't know, honestly. I like Gaga overall, I just don't think this album ever had a chance of selling like 21. She's too out there. She has an extremely large fan base but beyond that her songs on that album I didn't find to be as engaging or nearly as emotion evoking as the singles off 21. Lady Gaga has much less appeal than Adele to most women.
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We can't know for sure but I guarantee you that Born This Way would've sold significantly more if it wasn't hyped to death.
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Originally posted by MJ0497
I don't know, honestly. I like Gaga overall, I just don't think this album ever had a chance of selling like 21. She's too out there. She has an extremely large fan base but beyond that her songs on that album I didn't find to be as engaging or nearly as emotion evoking as the singles off 21. Lady Gaga has much less appeal than Adele to most women.
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Born This Way couldn't get there based on the general appeal/critical acclaim, but from the hype? Yes. She made one slip-up and it all came to a screeching halt. She just needed to perfectly execute the era, but noo..
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Originally posted by Rivington Reject
We can't know for sure but I guarantee you that Born This Way would've sold significantly more if it wasn't hyped to death.
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Not if Gaga used the hype to her advantage, but given the circumstances now, yes, it would have.
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Originally posted by Stepfon
I didn't know releasing your best album was a bad career move.
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It is her best album, but it lacked a standout hit and it was too much of a departure for her fanbase at the time.
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Originally posted by mariska
She never bounced back? She had Ray of Light and Confessions.
Her career seemed to be over at the time, but it really just made her an icon lol.
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Ray of Light helped redeem her quite a bit, although it didn't completely restore her legacy or image.
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How is the POM movie or the TD re-release bad moves? Even if the movie completely flops, It's not like it will hurt her career.
I say releasing Thinking Of You was a bad career move.
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Originally posted by Rivington Reject
We can't know for sure but I guarantee you that Born This Way would've sold significantly more if it wasn't hyped to death.
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100% agree
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Originally posted by mariska
and it genuinely could have performed a lot like 21 if it wasn't for Judas being released so early.
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You don't really think that, do you? The Fame was way more appealing to the general public than Born This Way, there's no way she could've sold more BTWs than TFs. Her mistake was, indeed, releasing "Judas" (not that it's a bad song). Releasing the album earlier than planned, with "Born This Way" being the only single out prior the release of the album, could've made her sell even more in the first week.
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Avril: not taking into account that she took 4 years to release another album, releasing WTH as 1st single and then Smile as 2nd was the biggest mistake of her career IMO. She had the chance to show another side of hers with Goodbye Lullaby (the complete opposite of what The Best Damn Thing was), but instead she released two TBDT-ish singles to promote the album. Results: WTH did moderately well (picked at #11) but Smile flopped HARD and when Wish You Were came, it was simply too late. She had lost a big part of her fanbase with the previous album and she couldn't recover those fans or even get new ones. However, it wasn't all her fault, RCA forced her to write those songs with Max Martin and push the album back for almost a year. Fortunately, she's now with L.A. Reid again and she's got a chance to have a proper comeback
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
It is her best album, but it lacked a standout hit and it was too much of a departure for her fanbase at the time.
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It lacked a standout hit because Hollywood Records doesn't give a damn about their artists. With Love, which is Hilary's biggest US single, was followed up by Stranger, which didn't even get radio adds and Hilary only did one performance of the song and that was on SYTYCD. It's a well known fact that Hilary wanted to release more singles from the album (one of them includes Gyspy Woman) but Hollywood Records was not having any of it.
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Originally posted by Stepfon
The whole era was mistake and screamed TRY HARD, Miley thought she was maturing but didn't realize all the fans she was leaving behind, she also didn't see how much the 20-30 year old crowd was NOT going to use her at all, she was in such a rush to "grow up" that in a way she screwed herself over.
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I'll agree half-heartedly with you, but in a sense I don't regret that she had the era, because she clearly wasn't happy with Disney. Might as well shed the image quick like ripping off a bandaid, with the added sting. But I genuinely think releasing Liberty Walk as the lead single would have affected the overall success drastically, because lines like "I always get a 10 'cause I'm built like that" weren't helping her ~spoiled brat image, and the public was not, and would never be here for it.
I think Miley regrets the era herself, but all of her current fans that I know, love the album and I know it appealed to at least some of the older pop audience.
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