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Discussion: Non-Hateful Christianity
Member Since: 1/17/2012
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
Is it really fair to say what they are and what they aren't though? I mean even for a Christian to call someone a non-Christian just because of what they see is a bit of a mess too. What you may believe others may not and that goes both ways.
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My point is that I don't see how being a Christian has any relevance to doing good and vice versa. I try to be a good person despite lacking any religious beliefs, so the argument that believing in "Jesus' teachings" would make someone Christian has to be false because I also believe in the idea of being a good person but I'm not Christian.
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Member Since: 3/18/2008
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Originally posted by mariska
Doesn't exist. Or shouldn't exist, rather. Christianity is a hateful religion. Anybody who says otherwise hasn't read the bible or is blatantly picking and choosing what to believe in.
The same is true for just about every religion, sans Buddhism and a few others.
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This is by far the most stupid and ignorant thing I've EVER read. By saying this you don't even know what a bible is or who was Jesus Christ. I'm deeply sorry for you.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
Posts: 22,128
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Originally posted by delightfulpeeks
The main concern is that you might be tolerant but you are apart of a religion whose holy documents contradict your views. I don't get how a person can only agree with some aspects of their religion and pretend as if the things they don't agree with don't exist. If you identify as Christian, you identify as everything associated with Christianity, including the hate and intolerance.
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Originally posted by mariska
Okay, lovely. I'm sure you're a very tolerant, respectful person.
The only thing is that Christianity is not a tolerant religion. We're not calling you intolerant, we're calling you a hypocrite.
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Death at you dumbasses sitting here repeating **** you've read online as if you know a damn thing about Christianity. Go read the ****ing Bible and various interpretations of it and then tell me that I'm a hypocrite. And YES, the Bible is an interpretational scripture - seeing as I've studied it nearly my whole life I think I'm in a position to say so.
The fact of the mother****ing matter is that this is ATRL - a pop music forum - and you are not geniuses. You are not versed in religious matters. You are not bringing anything profound to the table. Religious discussion on this site is:
*Stupid
*Unnecessary
*Ridiculous
Y'all sit up here talking about how religion - Christianity, namely - is responsible for wars, genocides, and most of all, negativity, yet you're the same bitches to start negative arguments about religion on this site. Like what the **** do you honestly think you're accomplishing by arguing over Christianity with a Christian? I'm not swaying you, you're never going to persuade me - STOP!
Such idiots.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
Posts: 32,412
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Originally posted by delightfulpeeks
The main concern is that you might be tolerant but you are apart of a religion whose holy documents contradict your views. I don't get how a person can only agree with some aspects of their religion and pretend as if the things they don't agree with don't exist. If you identify as Christian, you identify as everything associated with Christianity, including the hate and intolerance.[
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Okay I see where you're going with that then.
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Member Since: 3/17/2012
Posts: 10,399
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Originally posted by evfanjake
I believe you definitely have a point. Good deeds are good deeds and should be judged on their own merits. However, what I was getting at is that many Christians are not hateful, intolerant people. Neither are they saints, though. We shouldn't place a pre-conceived label on any person, especially when you don't know them. That's why I think that labelling is bad - in any form, it encourages the sort of solely binary thinking that is used to justify oppression.
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Actually, we can assume they're hateful and intolerant. The religion they subscribe to is hateful and intolerant, so its safe to say people who follow that religion believe in their religions beliefs until proven otherwise.
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Member Since: 1/19/2012
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Yeah. Christianity is just a contradicting mess. I don't use it and probably never will. I said what I said and I'm out.
btw (and totally random),you guys should try Buffalo Chicken soup. That **** is probably the best soup known to man; it slays.
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Member Since: 3/17/2012
Posts: 10,399
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Originally posted by Gui Blackout
This is by far the most stupid and ignorant thing I've EVER read. By saying this you don't even know what a bible is or who was Jesus Christ. I'm deeply sorry for you.
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Uhm, what? In a nutshell, what he said was pretty accurate. This coming from a pastors son who was a strong believer for 16 years of his life.
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Member Since: 5/22/2010
Posts: 9,633
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Originally posted by delightfulpeeks
If you identify as Christian, you identify as everything associated with Christianity, including the hate and intolerance.[/B]
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I don't even... That's like saying "You joined a protest, some of the protestants were violent and abusive, so you're violent and abuse"
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by Ahmed.
I don't even... That's like saying "You joined a protest, some of the protestants were violent and abusive, so you're violent and abuse"
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I didn't type that, but LOL.
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Member Since: 5/22/2010
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
I didn't type that, but LOL.
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I just noticed That's so ****ing weird, I quoted him...
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
Posts: 22,128
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
Death at you dumbasses sitting here repeating **** you've read online as if you know a damn thing about Christianity. Go read the ****ing Bible and various interpretations of it and then tell me that I'm a hypocrite. And YES, the Bible is an interpretational scripture - seeing as I've studied it nearly my whole life I think I'm in a position to say so.
The fact of the mother****ing matter is that this is ATRL - a pop music forum - and you are not geniuses. You are not versed in religious matters. You are not bringing anything profound to the table. Religious discussion on this site is:
*Stupid
*Unnecessary
*Ridiculous
Y'all sit up here talking about how religion - Christianity, namely - is responsible for wars, genocides, and most of all, negativity, yet you're the same bitches to start negative arguments about religion on this site. Like what the **** do you honestly think you're accomplishing by arguing over Christianity with a Christian? I'm not swaying you, you're never going to persuade me - STOP!
Such idiots.
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YES, y'all better report for filth now that you've been silenced.
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Member Since: 1/17/2012
Posts: 610
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Originally posted by evfanjake
I believe you definitely have a point. Good deeds are good deeds and should be judged on their own merits. However, what I was getting at is that many Christians are not hateful, intolerant people. Neither are they saints, though. We shouldn't place a pre-conceived label on any person, especially when you don't know them. That's why I think that labelling is bad - in any form, it encourages the sort of solely binary thinking that is used to justify oppression.
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Like previously stated already, I have to "label" Christians as agreeing with the documents that form the basis of their religion (bible, for Catholics it would alsobe the Catechism). There are surely good Christians who don't act in the ways and beliefs outlined in these texts, however they still identify as Christian. They label themselves which comes with a load of implications. So if they are acting tolerant, it is actually a contradiction to their religion and thus it is hypocritical.
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Member Since: 3/18/2008
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Originally posted by feuxtography
Uhm, what? In a nutshell, what he said was pretty accurate. This coming from a pastors son who was a strong believer for 16 years of his life.
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Jesus Christ was the most loving, kind and caring person that ever existed. Give me a single hateful word from him.
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Member Since: 4/4/2007
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Originally posted by feuxtography
Actually, we can assume they're hateful and intolerant. The religion they subscribe to is hateful and intolerant, so its safe to say people who follow that religion believe in their religions beliefs until proven otherwise.
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That's a little silly when there are many churches that base their doctrines on love and respect. This, church, for example ( http://asuuc.net/home/about-us/our-faith/) states explicity that they are based on love and respect for ALL people. One of their foundations (that they say on the site) is that they do not adhere to any set rules by an official. Their minister is a lesbian, and this is states in their mission statement: "We are proud to be a welcoming congregation. Whatever your ethnicity, class, gender or sexual orientation, we welcome you!"
I can see how many would perceived the CATHOLIC church to be less than good, but there's no justification for the hatred of all Christians when there are churches like this everywhere.
Edit: And they fly a pride flag every sunday!
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Member Since: 4/6/2011
Posts: 31,849
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Originally posted by delightfulpeeks
My point is that I don't see how being a Christian has any relevance to doing good and vice versa. I try to be a good person despite lacking any religious beliefs, so the argument that believing in "Jesus' teachings" would make someone Christian has to be false because I also believe in the idea of being a good person but I'm not Christian.
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But sis not everyone thinks like you. Part of being a Christian is living in the image of Jesus. This helps a lot of people and gives them a moral compass as well as the ability to recognize when they have sinned.
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Member Since: 3/17/2012
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Originally posted by Gui Blackout
Jesus Christ was the most loving, kind and caring person that ever existed. Give me a single hateful word from him.
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Sure (even though there is no definitive proof he actually existed.) But the bible is more than just Jesus and you know this.
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Member Since: 6/10/2010
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You can't be christian and completely tolerant. If the world keeps progressing and you become "tolerant" of everything that morally goes against the bible( excluding death or hurting a person) what would there be left in the bible to believe in?
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Member Since: 4/17/2011
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Originally posted by mariska
So the pillaging of non-Christian villages was organized by the Holy Father himself and completely justifiable... because they served a divine ******** purpose?
And you wonder why Christians have a bad name..
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Yes. It wasn't pillaging so much as conquest: the Jews were ordered to enter Palestine, kill the native population and take possession of the land.
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Originally posted by mariska
Because it's not wrong, lol. It's just completely ignorant. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality.
Women are property in the bible:
Okay, then. I hope you don't eat shellfish/pork, shave the hair on your temples, etc. Otherwise you're a hypocrite. In or out, correct?
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What's your grounds for saying homosexuality isn't wrong? Your personal opinion or..?
A text outside of a context is a pretext for heresy/distortion.
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"But if a man finds a betrothed young woman in the countryside, and the man forces (chazaq) her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the young woman; there is in the young woman no sin deserving of death, for just as when a man rises against his neighbor and kills him, even so is this matter. For he found her in the countryside, and the betrothed young woman CRIED OUT, but there was no one to save her. If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes* her and lies with her, and THEY ARE found out, then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife because he has humbled her; he shall not be permitted to divorce her all his days." Deuteronomy 22:25-29 NKJV
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The original word for "seizes" doesn't mean forced sexual relation as "chazaq", it's a different verb showing a different action. ( Reference, another Rape In Bible). Clearly in a rape situation the woman is spared, the guy receives capital punishment. In a situation where they're sleeping together and are found out, the guy has to step up and marry her, with no right to divorce afterwards - ensuring that she'll be looked after and provided for, instead of passed around like some Sex And The City reject.
The dietary laws and ritual laws of the Old Testament were for the Jewish people of that time. As Moses himself said, there would come a new convenant (or "testament") which would fulfill and replace his. 100% in.
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Originally posted by delightfulpeeks
As you're defending biblical texts as "not hateful," I hope you don't mind if I take a counter argument.
Why would God preach about caring and loving others and then deliberately wipe out an entire population just because they didn't believe in him? If that were the case then everyone on "His" earth would be Christian now.
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Sure. Ultimately God is God - He gives and takes away life. The people who were wiped out were pagans who were openly and knowingly worshipping other gods and opposing his chosen people. Wiping them out was an act of divine justice and ensured the continued security and purity of God's chosen people. Ultimately all are sinners and God is within his rights to kill or punish as he sees fit. Since then things have changed - Jesus took our place and died on the cross for all of our sins, so we get a free pass so to speak.
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Member Since: 3/18/2008
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Originally posted by feuxtography
Sure (even though there is no definitive proof he actually existed.) But the bible is more than just Jesus and you know this.
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Well if don't belive he actually existed I don't even know why are we having this conversation.
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Member Since: 2/11/2008
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Why y'all always bring the same themes and repeat them constantly? Homosexuality, women slavery, how God was "bad", etc. etc. And when it's about to throw insults to religion: pedophilia. I mean, why can't you bring other subjects that are religion themed but not necessarily in the Bible, such as Aquino's scripts, in which religion has its foundations too, and we can discuss something new.
I mean...
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