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Discussion: Should animals have the same rights as humans?
Member Since: 6/18/2011
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Originally posted by i spit on haters
Well I don't know about eating my own offspring but I concur with everything else.
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I was referring to animals, I wouldn't eat my offspring.
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Originally posted by Devil
Eating animals is fine, it's how humans survived for a long time. But they didn't kill them for "fun." They killed them so they would have food to live. Humans today kill them for no reason, but to hang on their wall and look at, that's what's wrong.
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No reason? Many humans still hunt and use every part of the animal they harvest. Actually, there are quiet a few organizations that support hunting. Like "Hunters for the Hungry" an organization that allows you with permitted tag and license to kill deer and then properly donate the meet to the hungry and needy. I understand hunting has turned into a sport, but what many of you don't understand is that very few animals are actually discarded without use. Most animals that are treated like so are for the fashion industry to make fur coats, hats, golves, etc,.
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Member Since: 6/9/2011
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Originally posted by Devil
Eating animals is fine, it's how humans survived for a long time. But they didn't kill them for "fun." They killed them so they would have food to live. Humans today kill them for no reason, but to hang on their wall and look at, that's what's wrong.
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Yeah people who kill animals for sport is vile to me. It needs to be illegal everywhere, or maybe it is and I'm simply unaware of this law? either way it needs to be forbidden.
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Member Since: 6/10/2010
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Originally posted by Orsay
Animals should be treated with the respect and fairness that is implied to them by the cycle of life.
Raising cows, pigs, etc. in awful conditions JUST for the purpose of feeding the masses is NOT giving them that kind of respect. Neither is killing a bunch of animals that have escaped traps inside zoos where they are put up (by humans) for display after being taken out of their natural environment.
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Exactly. It's a contradiction if you ask me.
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Member Since: 6/18/2011
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Originally posted by BadBitch
I already stated its different for animals killing other animals. Since were supposed to be "smarter" and know better. And the thing is we're not depending on animals for food. Times have changed. People don't need to depend on animals for survival since we found better sources of food. Humans are supposed to be above animals yet we still use the same tatics to achieve food. It's a contradiction & double standard if you ask me.
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Alright, if we are equal (humans and animals) shouldn't I have the same right an animal does for eating another animal? If a lion can eat a steak, why can't I? It's all "equal rights"?
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Member Since: 8/24/2011
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If we didn't eat/kill them they would become overpopulated and then eat us. I'm not here for my family and I getting eaten by some lessor animals, sorry.
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Member Since: 6/18/2011
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Originally posted by BreatheMusic
If we didn't eat/kill them they would become overpopulated and then eat us. I'm not here for my family and I getting eaten by some lessor animals, sorry.
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Member Since: 5/11/2010
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Audrey
No reason? Many humans still hunt and use every part of the animal they harvest. Actually, there are quiet a few organizations that support hunting. Like "Hunters for the Hungry" an organization that allows you with permitted tag and license to kill deer and then properly donate the meet to the hungry and needy. I understand hunting has turned into a sport, but what many of you don't understand is that very few animals are actually discarded without use. Most animals that are treated like so are for the fashion industry to make fur coats, hats, golves, etc,.
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I said there is no reason to hunt for FUN.
There's no reason to kill them for their skin or fur, either.
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Member Since: 6/10/2010
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Originally posted by Moonage Daydream
Do I think we can stand to improve on how we treat animals? Absolutely. Do I think we should be giving animals the same legal rights/status as humans? Uh, let's not get carried away here. Yes, animals are living beings who think and feel, but that doesn't mean they are exactly like us. And as for the argument that consuming meat is wrong, I'd like to point out that animals kill and eat each other as well. Could we charge those animals with murder, too? If we didn't eat meat, human civilization would've died out ages ago. Also, people need to take into account that some people seriously cannot live on vegan/vegetarian diets. "Other sources of protein" may not be sufficient for their particular needs. I've absolutely nothing against people who choose to be vegans or vegetarians for whatever reason, and am usually the first to defend them when they're criticized for their choices. But please don't force your philosophy down our throats.
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No one needs or depends on Meat to survive. There other and even better sources of food that have the same minerals & nutrients for the human body to function properly. And what if there was no meat left? Would that person die because of it? I doubt it. I thinks a contradiction that people would like animals to have better rights. Yet make them live in such horrible condition. So they can be eaten 3 years later. I think meat has just become to common for humans that they can't picture themselves living without it. Which is IMO sad.
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Member Since: 11/1/2010
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The better question is: "Should some humans have the same rights as animals?"
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Member Since: 6/18/2011
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Originally posted by Devil
I said there is no reason to hunt for FUN.
There's no reason to kill them for their skin or fur, either.
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I don't think so either,.
Sorry, for the miscommunication....
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Member Since: 6/17/2011
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Originally posted by Katie
The better question is: "Should some humans have the same rights as animals?"
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too true.
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Member Since: 5/11/2010
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And also I know how hunting for fun goes. I live in West Virginia. People literally go out into the woods and kill animals JUST so they can have it stuffed to hang on the wall. It's disgusting.
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Originally posted by Devil
And also I know how hunting for fun goes. I live in West Virginia. People literally go out into the woods and kill animals JUST so they can have it stuffed to hang on the wall. It's disgusting.
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I live in the city part of Oregon, but the the other 2/3 of the state it's mostly country and wilderness. Hunting season is HUGE here. They seriously announce the first week on the radio and have events for it. Our department stores also go all out for the new season, with things I'd rather not discuss. It's hard to avoid it sometimes. Being a vegan in a hick state is hard
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Member Since: 6/10/2010
Posts: 18,057
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Originally posted by Katie
The better question is: "Should some humans have the same rights as animals?"
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Member Since: 5/11/2010
Posts: 19,489
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Originally posted by Katie
I live in the city part of Oregon, but the the other 2/3 of the state it's mostly country and wilderness. Hunting season is HUGE here. They seriously announce the first week on the radio and have events for it. Our department stores also go all out for the new season, with things I'd rather not discuss. It's hard to avoid it sometimes. Being a vegan in a hick state is hard
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They do that here too. It seriously makes me sad when "rabbit season" and "squirrel season" come along.
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Member Since: 9/16/2011
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My ecology professor says that we'll reach a point someday within a century or two where it'd actually be better for the environment for humans to become vegetarian because primary consumers (herbivores) take more energy from their food source than secondary (tertiary, etc) consumers take from their food source.... Basically cows and other livestock are an unnecessary middleman in the human food chain...
I disapprove of hunting, and think that the majority of humans don't respect the Earth/ environment/ nature/ wildlife enough.
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Member Since: 8/1/2008
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DEATH. Animals would commit murders, burglary, incest, rape, and some of the most horrible crimes if they were to be judged on the same context as humans, let's not be stupid.
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Member Since: 6/25/2011
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Now don't forget y'all, hunting season is highly regulated to make sure populations of animals stay at normal levels. I really hate the stereotype of hunters as stupid hicks. My dad is a hunter and he's working on a Ph.D. in Wildlife Studies, so I don't want to hear it, because I HIGHLY doubt any of you are more educated than him on hunting and ecosystems.
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Member Since: 9/11/2010
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No. We are their predators, of sorts. As was pointed out earlier, they would become overpopulated. That's just the way life works.
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Member Since: 11/1/2010
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Originally posted by BadBitch
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I'm glad my joke got to at least one person
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Originally posted by Devil
They do that here too. It seriously makes me sad when "rabbit season" and "squirrel season" come along.
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Oh, I guess your area deals with smaller animals. We are currently in "deer and elk season" and will move onto bigger ones as time goes on. Our Walmart actually has signs in the outdoor department with "tips" for hunting, and maps for what grounds have the most animals. I walked through it last week to get to automotive and nearly fell apart
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