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Discussion: Will this finally be it for Ciara?
Member Since: 3/27/2009
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
She is an R&B artist who has and continues to have mainstream success even with a decline and still has a solid fanbase, is my point. Ciara is not being swept under the rug because of petty stan wars on the Internet. She's being swept under the rug because she is not giving material that would make her competitive.
"Never Ever?" "Gimme Dat?" "Ride?" Musically, she's stuck, and this is coming from someone who has supported Ciara from day one.
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Well releasing LSM was a much needed change in the playing field. With all the promotion she got with that single -- SNL, VMAs Japan -- it showed that all she needed was a change, but FR still opened rather weak.
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They handled the whole Fantasy Ride thing completely wrong. First of all, the whole album leaked MONTHS before the album was supposed to leak. Second, then they kept pushing the release back and back... to essentially release the same songs that had already leaked months prior. Third, the horrible single choices. "Love Sex Magic"? Really? The song is ok but not enough to push an album that has already been pushed way the **** back. I guess they thought cause JT was in it that it would work, which it kind of did considering it peaked at 10, but how long did it chart? The song has a high burn rate... I was over it rather quickly (and I'm a stan). There were other songs that could have been singles that could have done the album justice. Then releasing "Like a Surgeon" and "Work as dual singles... with no promo.
That, and she needs to stop collaborating with The-Dream and Tricky.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by Dephira
Look at the trajectory of her career. She went from Goodies, an album with longevity, a #1 smash and 2 more #2 hits to Evolution, an album with 1 Top 10 hit and that debuted at #1 and fell like a rock afterwards. Basically all thanks to good will from her first era. Let's not even talk about her eras after that. People have not been checking for her since 2006 and they will continue to not do so.
So, basically she would need to change literally everything about herself to become relevant again? That's not gonna happen, and even if it did, she wouldn't become successful on a level higher than a single hit single and a flop album. How many forgotten stars and one-trick ponies have ever completely revamped their image and regained their old success? She's not Madonna. If she changes everything she'll be considered a sell-out and a label puppet. People do remember what she did back in the day, they just don't care for her anymore.
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If Ciara came back with an amazing single and followed it up with a perfectly executed and promoted album, how could she not do better than she did with FR and BI?
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Originally posted by i spit on haters
I concur. It would be nice if she were to go back to her roots (Goodies) but I doubt she would, she had her OWN sound at that time, and it was innovative because she was the only chick doing Crunck music mixed with urban pop.
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I'm actually afraid she'll go back to her roots.
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Member Since: 6/9/2011
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Originally posted by Dephira
Look at the trajectory of her career. She went from Goodies, an album with longevity, a #1 smash and 2 more #2 hits to Evolution, an album with 1 Top 10 hit and that debuted at #1 and fell like a rock afterwards. Basically all thanks to good will from her first era. Let's not even talk about her eras after that. People have not been checking for her since 2006 and they will continue to not do so.
So, basically she would need to change literally everything about herself to become relevant again? That's not gonna happen, and even if it did, she wouldn't become successful on a level higher than a single hit single and a flop album. How many forgotten stars and one-trick ponies have ever completely revamped their image and regained their old success? She's not Madonna. If she changes everything she'll be considered a sell-out and a label puppet and a laughing stock. People do remember what she did back in the day, they just don't care for her anymore.
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**** my last post, you just put this **** into perspective.
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Her image toward the public and the music she puts out has to come first. Yes you can be on every television and radio station all you want but people don't want the same thing over and over again. Hopefully if she is shooting for a new sound, I hope it can click this time around.
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Member Since: 3/6/2011
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Originally posted by Hooligan
Well releasing LSM was a much needed change in the playing field. With all the promotion she got with that single -- SNL, VMAs Japan -- it showed that all she needed was a change, but FR still opened rather weak.
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That song did well because Justin was on it. AND she followed it up with Never Ever. The single choices for that era were a mess. She should have released G Is For Girl.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by Guero
They handled the whole Fantasy Ride thing completely wrong. First of all, the whole album leaked MONTHS before the album was supposed to leak. Second, then they kept pushing the release back and back... to essentially release the same songs that had already leaked months prior. Third, the horrible single choices. "Love Sex Magic"? Really? The song is ok but not enough to push an album that has already been pushed way the **** back. I guess they thought cause JT was in it that it would work, which it kind of did considering it peaked at 10, but how long did it chart? The song has a high burn rate... I was over it rather quickly (and I'm a stan). There were other songs that could have been singles that could have done the album justice. Then releasing "Like a Surgeon" and "Work as dual singles... with no promo.
That, and she needs to stop collaborating with The-Dream and Tricky.
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That song was their best choice.
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Member Since: 1/13/2010
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
If Ciara came back with an amazing single and followed it up with a perfectly executed and promoted album, how could she not do better than she did with FR and BI?
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She's in the Nelly/J.Lo category now. More Nelly actually, because J.Lo has always been a bigger fixture in the tabloids/media even when her music flopped, and she has the advantage of being a popular judge on a big TV show, so her "comeback" went somewhat better and she has public attention, but her album still flopped. So yeah, look at Nelly. Revamped sound, pretty big hit as the first single. Where is he now?
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Member Since: 5/30/2010
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Originally posted by Guero
They handled the whole Fantasy Ride thing completely wrong. First of all, the whole album leaked MONTHS before the album was supposed to leak. Second, then they kept pushing the release back and back... to essentially release the same songs that had already leaked months prior. Third, the horrible single choices. "Love Sex Magic"? Really? The song is ok but not enough to push an album that has already been pushed way the **** back. I guess they thought cause JT was in it that it would work, which it kind of did considering it peaked at 10, but how long did it chart? The song has a high burn rate... I was over it rather quickly (and I'm a stan). There were other songs that could have been singles that could have done the album justice. Then releasing "Like a Surgeon" and "Work as dual singles... with no promo.
That, and she needs to stop collaborating with The-Dream and Tricky.
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Ciara MESSED UP THAT ERA HERSERLF.
She didn't want "High Price" as the first single because of a few bad reviews, so she did "Go Girl". She pushed back the album because she wasn't finish with the artwork.
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Member Since: 3/27/2009
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Originally posted by DrunkNHotBoyz
That song did well because Justin was on it. AND she followed it up with Never Ever. The single choices for that era were a mess. She should have released G Is For Girl.
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No. Never Ever was before LSM.
And releasing "Work" months before they actually released it, would've did wonders for the album.
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Member Since: 6/9/2011
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
I'm actually afraid she'll go back to her roots.
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That wouldn't be a bad thing seeing as how she was very successful during that era of 'Goodies'
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Member Since: 3/6/2011
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Originally posted by DrunkNHotBoyz
That song did well because Justin was on it. AND she followed it up with Never Ever. The single choices for that era were a mess. She should have released G Is For Girl.
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Wait I lied. She released Never Ever before that. NVM.
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Member Since: 3/27/2009
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
I'm actually afraid she'll go back to her roots.
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Another 'Basic Instinct'?
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Member Since: 3/6/2011
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Originally posted by Hooligan
No. Never Ever was before LSM.
And releasing "Work" months before they actually released it, would've did wonders for the album.
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That whole era was confusing. She released Go Girl, then Never Ever, then LSM. They should have just went with High Price like they were going to in the first place. I remember there being alot of hype around the release of that.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by Dephira
She's in the Nelly/J.Lo category now. More Nelly actually, because J.Lo has always been a bigger fixture in the tabloids/media even when her music flopped, and she has the advantage of being a popular judge on a big TV show, so her "comeback" went somewhat better and she has public attention, but her album still flopped. So yeah, look at Nelly. Revamped sound, pretty big hit as the first single. Where is he now?
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That's not a good example at all seeing as 5.0 was handled horribly aside from Just a Dream.
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Originally posted by i spit on haters
That wouldn't be a bad thing seeing as how she was very successful during that era of 'Goodies'
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Which was in 2004. That **** will not work in 2012.
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Member Since: 3/30/2011
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
That song was their best choice.
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Outta here with this mess.
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Member Since: 6/9/2011
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Originally posted by DaLYCD
Ciara MESSED UP THAT ERA HERSERLF.
She didn't want "High Price" as the first single because of a few bad reviews, so she did "Go Girl". She pushed back the album because she wasn't finish with the artwork.
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Say word, I didn't know that. 'High price' is still my ****, no one has ever incorporated opera type vocals into a commercial song like that before. At least not to my knowledge.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by Guero
Outta here with this mess.
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What else could they release?
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Member Since: 1/13/2010
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
That's not a good example at all seeing as 5.0 was handled horribly aside from Just a Dream.
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So I trust you can name an example for someone who was a huge star for a while but never on a higher level (of being an icon or having the potential to be one), fell off almost completely, revamped their sound and came back huge? And not just with one hit single?
Oh, and I usually think that Labels messing up eras is an excuse. No promo, bad single choices, blah blah. If people wanna buy your CD, they will. People wanted to buy Firework, so when Katy went to promote it, it got a 20% boost that week, and went back to normal next week. It still would have smashed with a ****** video and no promo.
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