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Discussion: Are Europeans considered white?
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Originally posted by fememeist
americans is mostly minorities and not white though
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I just looked up demography of the US and it is 72.4% white American
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People native to Europe are always different shades of white, and I guess there's also ethnicities since you can easily tell apart caucasian people in northern Europe from say, Mediterranean people whose skin is a bit darker and facial features are different, hair is generally darker and curlier, eye color etc, or eastern Europe. Then there's the particular racial heritage that a person may have in their blood. Take me for example: I'm from Spain, fair skin, light brown/green eyes, super dark hair (curly when long) and 25% romani/gypsy. That's the way I look at it
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Yes. Unless by ''white'' you mean pale skin + blue eyes.
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Yes. But we don't have a racialised perception of society. (which does not mean racism does not exist in Europe) The very concept of "race" is rejected by 99% of the population, and if you use the word "race" in any context, sentence or whatever you'll get side eyed and seen as racist.
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Originally posted by MadelineXPepito
Yes. What I'm curious about is why Spanish people are considered white, but Latinos & Brazilians are not. I mean, I see lots of Latinos go around crying "white ppl!!!11!!", when most of them are whiter than snow (just looking @ J.Lo, I have Polish friends of darker skin than hers, and we're the definition of white). Spanish people never do that ****. Of course, I know lots of Latinos have black ancestors, but not all of them.
Is it due to the native blood in their veins?
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....oh lord.
Let's... deconstruct this.
Spanish, being native to Spain = White
Latinos, including Brazilians, are racialized in parts of the West where European immigrants still make up the largest collection of the population. Meaning white Latinos are often seen by European whites as "not white".
This is particularly true in America.
However, they're still white and have white privilege. White Argentinians (aka Argentinians with mostly European ancestry) are privileged over indigenous (more common) or black Latin Americans.
If someone has native American ancestry, they're not white.
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Not every white person has to be pale white to be undoubtedly white
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Originally posted by fememeist
americans is mostly minorities and not white though
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I think about 70% of americans are white.. you seem a bit slow
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Well white people originated in Europe soooo
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White basically means ethnically European
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Would you judge a white if you weren't a white yourself?
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Originally posted by MadelineXPepito
Yes. What I'm curious about is why Spanish people are considered white, but Latinos & Brazilians are not. I mean, I see lots of Latinos go around crying "white ppl!!!11!!", when most of them are whiter than snow (just looking @ J.Lo, I have Polish friends of darker skin than hers, and we're the definition of white). Spanish people never do that ****. Of course, I know lots of Latinos have black ancestors, but not all of them.
Is it due to the native blood in their veins?.
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J.Lo probably has African or Taino blood in her in addition to Spanish Your darker Polish friends might be just tanned or Romani.
It's not just about skin color, it's an ethnic social construct lol. An African albino is still not white but those tanned Canadian women vacationing in Cancun who are darker than the African albino are.
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
J.Lo probably has African or Taino blood in her in addition to Spanish Your darker Polish friends might be just tanned or Romani.
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Lol no. My own mother is darker than J.Lo, I am only a bit lighter than her and we're not tanned or Romani, we're full Poles Americans often tend to think that Europe consist only of blue-eyed people with fair hair and that's really far from truth. Europe has a long history and we've been through a **** tone of wars including invasions of Mongols and Arabs... And wars weren't very kind to women those days (to be honest, I don't think that Slavs/Poles were ever blue-eyed people with fair hair). Also southern slavs exist (like Bulgarians):
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Originally posted by MadelineXPepito
Only according to the Nazis. Slavs are as white as you get, but I think it stems from us adopting Christianity (aka western culture) pretty late.
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We weren't considered white in the US till 1960's:
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The discrimination endured by Polish immigrants
Recently, Americans of Eastern European descent have
Here’s a piece in The New York Times on Ukrainian-Americans turning away from Trump. turned away from Trump due to Trump’s close ties with Russia. Many of these voters were once loyal Republicans who supported President Reagan for his strong support of the Eastern European countries which they or their ancestors fled, often because of Russian oppression.
White ethnic heritage, played down by the census as well as by Trump’s approach to whiteness, still matters in the U.S.
Here it is important to understand how, exactly, Americans ‘become white’. The history of Polish-Americans is an illuminating example. Upon arriving in the U.S. en masse in the late 19th and early 20th century, Poles endured discrimination based on their appearance, religion and culture. cIn 1903, the New England Magazine decried the Poles’ “expressionless Slavic faces” and “stunted figures” as well as their inherent “ignorance” and “propensity to violence”. Working for terrible wages, Polish workers were renamed things like “Thomas Jefferson” by their bigoted Anglo-Saxon bosses who refused to utter Polish names.
The Poles, in other words, were not considered white. Far from it: they were considered a mysterious menace that should be expelled. When Polish-American Leon Czolgosz killed President William McKinley in 1901, all Poles were
See also this article from 1901 on McKinley’s assassination. deemed potential violent anarchists. “All people are mourning, and it is caused by a maniac who is of our nationality,” a Polish-American newspaper wrote, pressured to apologize for their own people. The collective blame of Poles for terrorism bears great similarity to how Muslims (both in the U.S. and Europe) are collectively blamed today.
...and how the Polish later became “white”
But then something changed. In 1919, Irish gangs in blackface attacked Polish neighborhoods in Chicago in an attempt to convince Poles, and other Eastern European groups, that they, too, were “white” and should join them in the fight against blacks. As historian
Read Roediger’s entry on race and identity in the Encyclopedia of Chicago. David R. Roediger recalls, “Poles argued that the riot was a conflict between blacks and whites, with Poles abstaining because they belonged to neither group.” But the Irish gangs considered whiteness, as is often the case in America, as anti-blackness. And as in the early 20th century Chicago experienced an influx not only of white immigrants from Europe, but blacks from the South, white groups who felt threatened by black arrivals decided that it would be politically advantageous if the Poles were considered white as well.
With that new white identity came the ability to practice the discrimination they had once endured
Over time, the strategy of positioning Poles as “white” against a dark-skinned “other” was successful. Poles came to consider themselves white, and more importantly, they came to be considered white by their fellow Americans, as did Italians, Greeks, Jews, Russians, and others from Southern and Eastern Europe, all of whom held an ambivalent racial status in U.S. society. Also, intermarriage between white ethnic groups led some to embrace a broader white identity.
With that new white identity came the ability to practice the discrimination they had once endured. Polish-Americans joined the “white flight” out of increasingly black cities like Chicago and Detroit in the 1960s and 1970s.
By the mid-20th century, the Poles had become “white”, but they were not quite white enough. They were referred to then as “ethnic whites” and put in a vulnerable position – not subject to hostile discrimination like blacks, but not able to receive the same advantages as whites of Western European ancestry either.
This tension was outlined in a 1970 speech by a young Polish-American politician named Barbara
See Mikulski’s Wikipedia bio here. Mikulski, who went on to become a U.S. Senator for Maryland:
“America is not a melting pot. It is a sizzling cauldron for the ethnic American who feels that he has been politically courted and legally extorted by both government and private enterprise… The ethnic American also feels unappreciated for the contribution he makes to society. He resents the way the working class is looked down upon.”
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https://thecorrespondent.com/5185/ho...56645-8260d4a7
We became white only, because Westerners became threatened by influx of black people
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If the europeans are not, then who is ?
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Originally posted by fememeist
i don't know any black europeans
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I'm black and I'm portuguese, thus I'm european.
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Yes That's literally what white people are, like...
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This thread Ariana her impact is real
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Originally posted by Communion
....oh lord.
Let's... deconstruct this.
Spanish, being native to Spain = White
Latinos, including Brazilians, are racialized in parts of the West where European immigrants still make up the largest collection of the population. Meaning white Latinos are often seen by European whites as "not white".
This is particularly true in America.
However, they're still white and have white privilege. White Argentinians (aka Argentinians with mostly European ancestry) are privileged over indigenous (more common) or black Latin Americans.
If someone has native American ancestry, they're not white.
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Thanks!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Communion
....oh lord.
Let's... deconstruct this.
Spanish, being native to Spain = White
Latinos, including Brazilians, are racialized in parts of the West where European immigrants still make up the largest collection of the population. Meaning white Latinos are often seen by European whites as "not white".
This is particularly true in America.
However, they're still white and have white privilege. White Argentinians (aka Argentinians with mostly European ancestry) are privileged over indigenous (more common) or black Latin Americans.
If someone has native American ancestry, they're not white.
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Who is and who isn't white is entirely based on the time and place. Who is white has changed over time. But if we're talking about Italian-Americans in 2017, yes they are white. The question isn't as simple as "are European's white"
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