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Discussion: First to get a number #1: Ariana or Selena?
Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Uzi
Good for You ft ASAP Rocky
Same Old Love ft Charli XCX
Selena's two biggest singles relying on features yet you're trying to drag Ari for it.
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Originally posted by Fentydelspears
It's ridiculous how people think Ariana's underperforming but she's actually doing so well internationally. Compared to My Everything era, it's not that impressive. Compared to 95% of the industry's artists, Ariana tops them so hard.
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She really has grown her popularity WW. Right now, our girl just needs to focus on building a brand and evolving with her image.
The Hairspray live should do wonders for her profile.
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Call me when Selena has a bigger hit than Problem, or maybe Bang Bang.
Oh no, I overrated Selena,
Call me whenever Selena has a bigger hit than Break Free, that's enough with Selena's consistency.
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Member Since: 4/10/2012
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Originally posted by makeme
Same old love did not feature Charli at most shes a backround singer. mess
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She sings the entire chorus.
Anyway!
Probably neither, but Ariana's track record is better considering it took Selena 5 albums to get a top 5 hit.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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I would say Ariana 3 months ago, but I really don't see any song from Dangerous Woman going #1 (even tho the album is amazing), unless Into You somehow explodes in all of the metrics at some point, which I think is unlikely. So I'll go with Selena, as she'll release her new album sooner than Ariana her next. Maybe none of them ever will. We'll see.
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Originally posted by Uzi
She doesn't even have a hit as big as Break Free.
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That solo smash hit. The nostalgia.
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Originally posted by hardbrit
Yes, Ariana had those top tens featuring Iggy, Zedd, Jessie J, Nicki Minaj, The weeknd, etc. AND TONS of promotion.
Now that she released 2 solo singles, they both underperformed even though she did promote them.
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The logic though. Buying a song for a DJs production or a 25 second feat.
Like even some Ariana fans don't buy her singles and they love her music but now you're claiming Iggy had 400k+ people running to buy Problem during its 1st week?
The only time a feature REALLY helps is if its by a massive artist like Bey, Rih or Drake but even then (see Hymn for the Weekend, CRTFY) only the hardcore fans (which are like 1%) will buy a song based off a feat even if they don't like the song.
But honestly, i know the Selena fans don't truly believe Ari's songs sold because of the feat artist, but thats literally their safe haven for when we get into an argument about sales. They always get dragged to the mud and they end up using the "OMG FEATURES!!!" excuse. I feel like they have it tattooed heart on their arms or something as a consistent reminder.
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Originally posted by minxie
She sings the entire chorus.
Anyway!
Probably neither, but Ariana's track record is better considering it took Selena 5 albums to get a top 5 hit.
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It doesn't matter, Charli XCX isn't listed as a feat. so she's not. Same Old Love is a solo hit. Break Free on the other hand isn't since Zedd's name is used to help sell the song.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Fentydelspears
Call me when Selena has a bigger hit than Problem, or maybe Bang Bang.
Oh no, I overrated Selena,
Call me whenever Selena has a bigger hit than Break Free, that's enough with Selena's consistency.
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Well, Selena did try a Zedd collab before and their collab song flopped hard.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Whether or not she's listed, her vocals are on the song, therefore it's a feature. If Selena was capable of carrying that song on her own, the producers wouldn't have incorporated Charli's vocals.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Dark Horse
It doesn't matter, Charli XCX isn't listed as a feat. so she's not. Same Old Love is a solo hit. Break Free on the other hand isn't since Zedd's name is used to help sell the song.
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Zedd's name helped the song to sell? Then why "Selena Gomez - I Want You To Know (feat. Zedd)" didn't happen?
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Selena has a little chance with the right choice and promo, Ariana already peaked with Problem, or it seems like it.
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Originally posted by Dark Horse
It doesn't matter, Charli XCX isn't listed as a feat. so she's not. Same Old Love is a solo hit. Break Free on the other hand isn't since Zedd's name is used to help sell the song.
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Zedd's name couldn't even be used to sell the singles from his album so this statement is dismissed.
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Originally posted by Jude
Well, Selena did try a Zedd collab before and their collab song flopped hard.
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Thats funny because indirectly they're saying Mac Miller and Iggy are both bigger than Selena, since they helped Ari's singles sell millions but Selena cant help Zedd's lead single pass 2M WW (who apparently is such a good digital seller, i mean look at Break Free's sales, they're all thanks to him)
SOL had a feature, Fetty Wrap had an official remix which helped it peak (wouldn't have hit that Top 5 position without it)
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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IF Ariana is bigger than Selena, someone explain the reason Focus, Dangerous woman and Into You aren't platinum despite getting performances. You'd think someone as big as her, that doesn't need features could get songs platinum. Focus isn't even Gold
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Member Since: 4/10/2012
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Selena probably?
I found her very interesting with this era, she increases her game and her image in public is adorable, when Ari just plummeted down because of that donut scandal
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Member Since: 4/10/2012
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Originally posted by hardbrit
IF Ariana is bigger than Selena, someone explain the reason Focus, Dangerous woman and Into You aren't platinum despite getting performances. You'd think someone as big as her, that doesn't need features could get songs platinum. Focus isn't even Gold
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Artists go through highs and lows in their careers, like how Selena's first three albums couldn't even produce one top 20 hit (a low), or how My Everything outsold every Selena album on a global scale. (a high)
Being picky and choosy about what to compare to what is kind of transparent.
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Member Since: 9/16/2006
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Selena's new era is coming soon so I'll say her. Her Revival chart performance was extraordinary. She's really found her sound.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Quote:
Originally posted by Uzi
Good for You ft ASAP Rocky
Same Old Love ft Charli XCX
Selena's two biggest singles relying on features yet you're trying to drag Ari for it.
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Same Old Love is a solo top five hit, don't even try it, break free on the other hand had zedd on its title whether you like it or not, quit reaching for the stars.
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Quote:
Originally posted by hardbrit
IF Ariana is bigger than Selena, someone explain the reason Focus, Dangerous woman and Into You aren't platinum despite getting performances. You'd think someone as big as her, that doesn't need features could get songs platinum. Focus isn't even Gold
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So single success determines everything now? What about tour receipts, album sales, streaming, video views, awards, critical acclaim?
But i understand why you're focusing on The Hot 100 chart since its the only thing Selena is CURRENTLY doing better than Ariana atm. But at the end of the day, we still have FAR more accomplishments on the Hot 100 than Selena, with less material
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