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Discussion: BLM shuts down gay parade
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Originally posted by Shinning
Did they not have any other white straight cis event to protest? Did they really have to interrupt a celebration of pride from another minority?
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Originally posted by WeFoundTrouble
... Disgusting.
I'm black AND gay so it hurts to see this, especially because if gays did this to a BLM Protest I know my fellow brethren would go OFF on the gay community.
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The fact that it literally says in the OP that they are protesting the fact that this particular pride event has begun to shun Black LGBT and has stopped funding their event, but people are latching on to the angry black narrative.
This is what pisses me off about the gay community.
All too many times White gays are the face and looked at as the only part of the gay community.
To the point where Black gays asking for equality in the gay community is seen as Black people trying to destroy gays.
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Member Since: 9/15/2012
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Originally posted by NX127
Exactly. Neither of these is my country, but what does Canada have to do with BLM when human rights, acceptance and tolerance there is as good as Scandinavia?
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Canada is actually a settler nation, much like the US. It's founded upon the systematic, structural marginalization of black folk, Indigenous folk, and other minorities like these. Canada is a death zone. What this means is that those who follow the standard of normalcy, which is white, straight, able-bodied, etc., are folded into life. Who are the marginalized folk? Those who do not follow this standard. Canada isn't as good as many people make it seem. It's actually very colonial, founded upon the colonization of Indigenous folk and the systematic rape -- both literal and metaphorical -- of our descendants.
The state needs to be reformed, not pride. For me, these goals and intentions are mere forms of homonationalism, where pinkwashing is used to reproduce the "human rights" framework that has infiltrated many radical movements, be they black, queer, Indigenous, etc. The state needs to be reformed. Black people, amongst others, cannot thrive if the state if founded upon their/our systematic erasure. Pinkwashing, homonationalism, and inclusive politics like these reproduce the state structure by not undermining the standard of normalcy, which is white, affluent, heteronormative, etc. #TheStateNeedsToBeReformed
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Not today, not today.
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Just because you're gay, it doesn't mean you're not as racist as the straight white people.
White gays aren't exempt from protests just because they're LGBT. They also persecute POCs in and out of their community, and they need to be made aware of that fact.
Clearly, if you actually read the statement, you'd see that they took steps to ensure the platform for queer POCs was diminished. Sometimes, white gays are the worst because they think just because someone called them names in high school, they now have a pass to drag the rest of the LGBT community through the mud.
They protested at the Pride event because they were being ignored by the rest of the LGBT community. So yes, this was actually the perfect time and place to protest those issues.
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Originally posted by HausOfCarlos
The representation of youth of color in the LGBT community is a very important topic but this isn't the right time or place to protest against it. Pride should be about celebrating the LGBT not protesting during it, the context is important. I mean isn't that sort of counter productive, like all lives matter?
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I don't necessarily agree with the protest but if this isn't the time and place for it, then when is?
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Originally posted by RatedG²
BLM is saying Pride in Toronto hasn't paid any attention to youth of color (not just black) and they're slowly erasing spaces where minority groups have been featured. And sub-organizations that usually have minorities are being underfunded. Basically not enough representation of all people and too much representation of white queers.
They shut it down until some demands are met for a better representation of people who are queer
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Ok, this I do agree with. I just don't think it was the time or place for them to do this here. It just fuels more anger and animosity among two minority groups. Erasure of gay poc is definitely a problem, but doing it this way doesn't solve anything.
I don't exactly know WHEN the right time would be, but it just seems tacky to protest during a time when all LGBTs are out trying to celebrate equality. There aren't just white LGBTs out at that Pride parade, there are poc out there that wanted to celebrate too.
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They are right to call for more representation for ethnic minorities who are LGBT, but saying things like "We shut it down" or "We won" makes it easy for this to be twisted into something it's not.
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2 pages in 5 minutes Mods better lock this before it gets lit
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So queer black protestors protested to make sure queer black (and other queer POC incl. queer asians) people (especially those with disabilities) are represented? Good for them. You must include ALL members of the LGBT community.
If Toronto Pride purposefully cut funding & spaces to queer groups of color and disabled queer groups, how disgusting.
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Originally posted by Callisto.
The fact that it literally says in the OP that they are protesting the fact that this particular pride event has begun to shun Black LGBT and has stopped funding their event, but people are latching on to the angry black narrative.
This is what pisses me off about the gay community.
All too many times White gays are the face and looked at as the only part of the gay community.
To the point where Black gays asking for equality in the gay community is seen as Black people trying to destroy gays.
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I agree but I can understand why some would be upset because obviously a lot of people involved in Pride will not be racist and will agree that the erasure of black LGBT people is wrong.
Though I get this may be the only way to get results and it was kind of the last resort after being badly treated by the Pride organizers.
The real enemy here are the racist organizers who are ignoring black LGBT people because without them this wouldn't have happened.
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Disgusting, when this will be covered in France it will increase the gay vote for Marine Le Pen. She is already so high for the gay now .
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Originally posted by Marla Singer
They are right to call for more representation for ethnic minorities who are LGBT, but saying things like "We shut it down" or "We won" makes it easy for this to be twisted into something it's not.
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I agree which is why BLM was always something I side eyed. Good intentions, bad execution
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I will support both movements until the day I die, but something like this makes me so sad. People need to rise above! People need to LOVE one another. Love is the only answer to how a significant amount of progress will ever be able to happen. It is so important! Love!
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Originally posted by Communion
So queer black protestors protested to make sure queer black (and other queer POC incl. queer asians) people (especially those with disabilities) are represented? Good for them. You must include ALL members of the LGBT community.
If Toronto Pride purposefully cut funding & spaces to queer groups of color and disabled queer groups, how disgusting.
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Is there actual proof that they did this though? I agree, this conversation is LONG overdue, but without solid proof that Toronto slighted poc and disabled groups, this "shut down" seems really tacky and ill-timed.
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Originally posted by Nemo
I will support both movements until the day I die, but something like this makes me so sad. People need to rise above! People need to LOVE one another. Love is the only answer to how a significant amount of progress will ever be able to happen. It is so important! Love!
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cool
so people need to start loving LGBTQ poc
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Originally posted by Callisto.
The fact that it literally says in the OP that they are protesting the fact that this particular pride event has begun to shun Black LGBT and has stopped funding their event, but people are latching on to the angry black narrative.
This is what pisses me off about the gay community.
All too many times White gays are the face and looked at as the only part of the gay community.
To the point where Black gays asking for equality in the gay community is seen as Black people trying to destroy gays.
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and all they do is steal black lingo... oh well
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****ing disgusting. I wonder who they think they're helping? Attacking the wrong group for no reason just to get attention and so soon after the biggest hate crime of us history...
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Originally posted by lipstick lesbian
Canada is actually a settler nation, much like the US. It's founded upon the systematic, structural marginalization of black folk, Indigenous folk, and other minorities like these. Canada is a death zone. What this means is that those who follow the standard of normalcy, which is white, straight, able-bodied, etc., are folded into life. Who are the marginalized folk? Those who do not follow this standard. Canada isn't as good as many people make it seem. It's actually very colonial, founded upon the colonization of Indigenous folk and the systematic rape -- both literal and metaphorical -- of our descendants.
The state needs to be reformed, not pride. For me, these goals and intentions are mere forms of homonationalism, where pinkwashing is used to reproduce the "human rights" framework that has infiltrated many radical movements, be they black, queer, Indigenous, etc. The state needs to be reformed. Black people, amongst others, cannot thrive if the state if founded upon their/our systematic erasure. Pinkwashing, homonationalism, and inclusive politics like these reproduce the state structure by not undermining the standard of normalcy, which is white, affluent, heteronormative, etc. #TheStateNeedsToBeReformed
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I bet you have a tumblr.
Anyway: Disgusting. BLM should be ashamed. They're always so angry.
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