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Discussion: Teacher taught powerful lesson about privilege
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
How is the teacher complaining though?
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I didn't say the teacher is complaining about it, I said that he or she doesn't teach a useful lesson but just puts in the students' minds this vision of an alleged privileged system which will just lead them to complain about it if they feel they're abused by it.
And I'm not saying this from a privileged background, money has never abounded in my household, but it's never been a problem, because we've been working hard.
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Once again, much easier said then done, especially when you are coming from a privileged position. And also you can't even ensure those 10 years of work will become anything.
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That doesn't mean you shouldn't try.
I go to a Grammar School and all sorts of people come here. Some aren't the smartest naturally, but have worked hard and are now making something of themselves.
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I'm not about to have a debate all day long about this I'm sorry but if you can't see anything at all through this simple demonstration of how some people start off with better opportunities than others than what can I say? You are simply ignoring the situation.
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Originally posted by hello_world
That doesn't mean you shouldn't try.
I go to a Grammar School and all sorts of people come here. Some aren't the smartest naturally, but have worked hard and are now making something of themselves.
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Who said people aren't trying? I feel like I[m being trolled at this point
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Excellent.
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Originally posted by Fenty The Great
The fact that people get SO frustrated over the mere mention of privilege is telling. Cause you never have to think about it until someone tells you
Also, every time someone brings it up it isn't a "complaint". I'm sure people are well aware that they have to work 3x harder than others to get the same. This should just be a learning moment about where you are in society, why people don't have the same opportunities as you, and why it's important to advocate for them. Stop getting so upset and just learn from it. My goodness
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Who said people aren't trying? I feel like I[m being trolled at this point
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Well you said ' And also you can't even ensure those 10 years of work will become anything.', and I said that shouldn't stop anyone from trying.
And I get the demonstration, but it won't solve anything to just complain about it.
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
I'm not about to have a debate all day long about this I'm sorry but if you can't see anything at all through this simple demonstration of how some people start off with better opportunities than others than what can I say? You are simply ignoring the situation.
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Or maybe it's you people who are making up a situation to generate victim-ism and tensions between social classes?
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Originally posted by TheRoofInhabitant
I didn't say the teacher is complaining about it, I said that he or she doesn't teach a useful lesson but just puts in the students' minds this vision of an alleged privileged system which will just lead them to complain about it if they feel they're abused by it.
And I'm not saying this from a privileged background, money has never abounded in my household, but it's never been a problem, because we've been working hard.
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Like it or not, this is the way the world is. it's not "alleged", there are countless research and books that have been written about it. Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And that's the problem with lashing out and getting upset with people for talking about something that is true just because you don't feel like you want to hear it. You can't dismiss other people's lived experience as "complaining" just because you don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling inside when they bring it up.
Also, privilege isn't always about money and class. Where those students sat in the front is directly reflective of the societal norms that reinforce their position in society. This can be money, race, class, gender, sexuality, religion or any other arbitrary characteristic that society deems valuable. It can be as simple as being able body privileged (not having a disability). Would you dare tell someone with a medical disability that they should stop complaining if they ever brought up how their disability has limited their opportunities? If the answer is no, then look at it that way and stop being stubborn.
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Originally posted by TheRoofInhabitant
Or maybe it's you people who are making up a situation to generate victim-ism and tensions between social classes?
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Making up a situation? Bye. Not when privileges are real. You set the prime example of people who are bothered by this topic and choose to simply ignore it.
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People complaining so much about privilege in this thread. Probably because you yourself are privileged and don't want to admit that
Of course people are born with disadvantages/privilege, should it be used as an excuse not to work hard and do everything for a better life? Of course not, no one's saying it is. People at a disadvantage should continue working even tho its not fair but privileged people need to be aware as well because they need to be grateful and they have more power to make it an equal playing field for all people
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Originally posted by hello_world
Well you said ' And also you can't even ensure those 10 years of work will become anything.', and I said that shouldn't stop anyone from trying.
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Nnn so in other words these people should try and if they don't achieve success then the fault is still attributed to them? Okay what ever you say.
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b. Why is anybody arguing this. Generating awareness of inequality shouldn't be such a point of contention.
We can only get better by identifying the problems plaguing our society. For the U.S. a big problem is education. Just look where we're ranked worldwide in this category.
By recognizing that there are subsections of society who's accesibility to proper education is limited or even nonexistent, we can begin to draft solutions to pull them up.
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Making up a situation? Bye. Not when privileges are real. You set the prime example of people are are bothered by this topic and choose to simply ignore it.
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They are real, but we all need to go work harder rather than run to the internet and write up think pieces.
Honestly, I don't get what the point of this thread was. We all know it exists, it won't convince the privileged to do anything and it just makes people think complaining but not acting is an acceptable solution.
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
b. Why is anybody arguing this. Generating awareness of inequality shouldn't be such a point of contention.
We can only get better by identifying the problems plaguing our society. For the U.S. a big problem is education. Just look where we're ranked worldwide in this category.
By recognizing that there are subsections of society who's accesibility to proper education is limited or even nonexistent, we can begin to draft solutions to pull them up.
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This. Perhaps next time I should make a post of an example of social inequality instead of posting about privileges so there isn't anything to debate in the first place
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Nnn so in other words these people should try and if they don't achieve success then the fault is still attributed to them? Okay what ever you say.
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Nope, but worrying about failing never stopped Martin Luther King. He actually took action.
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No one is using the understanding of privilege as an excuse not to work hard. Why do people even assume that? Like, girl obviously if you're disadvantaged you have to work hard. The PROBLEM is that people who are privileged (I.E. those sitting in the front of the class) are completely oblivious to their position because they think it is normal for everyone to be where there are, and thus societal inequalities remain unchecked. Its also those same people who try to silence people for merely talking about it, as this thread has been a clear example of.
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Originally posted by Fenty The Great
No one is using the understanding of privilege as an excuse not to work hard. Why do people even assume that? Like, girl obviously if you're disadvantaged you have to work hard. The PROBLEM is that people who are privileged (I.E. those sitting in the front of the class) are completely oblivious to their position and thus society inequalities remain unchecked. Its also those same people who try to silence people for merely talking about it, as this thread has been a clear example of.
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Thank you
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This isn't even about race either. Successful poc from various races can learn from this exercise as well. Those who manage to make it out of a bad situation, should invest in helping their communities thrive.
A lot of poc suffer from the pharrel #newblacks mentality where they assume everyone has equal chance. And therefore are absolved of all responsibility to help their community.
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Originally posted by Fenty The Great
Like it or not, this is the way the world is. it's not "alleged", there are countless research and books that have been written about it. Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And that's the problem with lashing out and getting upset with people for talking about something that is true just because you don't feel like you want to hear it. You can't dismiss other people's lived experience as "complaining" just because you don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling inside when they bring it up.
Also, privilege isn't always about money and class. Where those students sat in the front is directly reflective of the societal norms that reinforce their position in society. This can be money, race, class, gender, sexuality, religion or any other arbitrary characteristic that society deems valuable. It can be as simple as being able body privileged (not have a disability). Would you dare tell someone with a disability that they should stop complaining if they ever brought up how their disability has limited their opportunities? If the answer is no, then look at it that way and stop being stubborn.
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This is quite interesting to dismiss because my brother is severely disabled, and ever since he was born my family have had to work really hard to afford trips to the USA to let him follow a special rehabilitation programme by The Institutes for the Achievement of Human Potential. This was right after they finished building a home, personally built by my parents when the working day was over. Ten years later I was born, and up to now I can guarantee that no one has ever remotely complained about luck, privilege or anything. Why? Because it doesn't make any sense. You aren't spreading awareness, you are just encouraging a dangerous faux vision of the world that will only generate hatred.
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