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Poll: Britney's biggest influence (Janet v. Madonna)
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Madonna
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Janet
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Britneys style and image is a lot more similar to Janet, agreed, but the Madonna influence is there too. No wonder when Janet and Madonna also influenced each other during their careers, for example M shattered the boundaries for them to make that lolita transformation possible without much critique.
So yes, that "Madonna paved the way for Britney while Janet's career more directly inspired her" comment seems fair.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Britneys style and image is a lot more similar to Janet, agreed, but the Madonna influence is there too. No wonder when Janet and Madonna also influenced each other during their careers, for example M shattered the boundaries for them to make that lolita transformation possible without much critique.
So yes, that "Madonna paved the way for Britney while Janet's career more directly inspired her" comment seems fair.
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She was ripped to shreds! Christina was too, to a certain extent.
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of course Janet, why is this even a comparison
Britney's never done anything as good as what Madonna's done from music, performing, dancing, image, culture impact, innovation, influents, controversial things, singing live, artistry, taking control.....nothing alike except their skin color
she may be in the same boat with Janet or someone else, i don't care of her
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they (Janet and Brit) have the same dancing style, voice, stage present. But I feel like Brit loves Madonna much more
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
of course Janet, why is this even a comparison
Britney's never done anything as good as what Madonna's done from music, performing, dancing, image, culture impact, innovation, influents, controversial things, singing live, artistry, taking control.....nothing alike except their skin color
she may be in the same boat with Janet or someone else, i don't care of her
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omg. Madonna wasn't a great of a dancer. Britney alone now is as much influentual as Madonna now
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Originally posted by Alexey
omg. Madonna wasn't a great of a dancer. Britney alone now is as much influentual as Madonna now
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in your army dream and that "wasn't a great of a dancer" person received a dance scholarship to the University of Michigan and were trainded by Perl Lang
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Originally posted by Blur
She was ripped to shreds! Christina was too, to a certain extent.
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Lol
It was nothing compared to that witch hunt Madonna went through. The fact her career still survived a backlash like that gave Janet and other gurls courage to do their own transformation. The public was a lot less critical of them also because everything seemed so tame compared to Erotica.
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a mix of both but janet more so, in my opinion
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Lol
It was nothing compared to that witch hunt Madonna went through. The fact her career still survived a backlash like that gave Janet and other gurls courage to do their own transformation. The public was a lot less critical of them also because everything seemed so tame compared to Erotica.
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They never went as far as Madonna did hence why they weren't trashed as much as she was. Janet's transformation started with the release of "Love Will Never Do Without You" and there were early signs of that even in the Control album, way before the 90s "Madonna" sexual overdose that nearly destroyed her career.
Britney gradually got sexier and sexier, right from the time "... Baby One More Time" was unleashed to the world. The media storm grew stronger and stronger before hitting its climax with her 07 VMAs performance, where they symbolically sacrificed her body to the exploding mass media. But, both Janet and Britney underwent a gradual good girl gone bad transformation, but in different ways. (Tomboy model vs Lolita archetype)
Janet didn't invent anything since it had already been done with great success by Olivia Newton John in the 70s and early 80s ( Grease whose central point is her transformation became the biggest musical ever and the racy "Physical", the #1 song of the 80s in the USA)!
Interestingly, just like Janet, when the US thought she went too far with her sexuality (the underrated 1985 Soul Kiss album), her place as a top tier popstar was taken away from her even though she remained a huge star and an influential legend in her own right.
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Madonna never fully recovered post erotics tbh, it turned ALOT of her fans off, Janet on the other hand took risk but in a more "classy" way as she put it. She was sexy without being completely vile and innapropriate, Britney was like that as well.
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Originally posted by Blur
They never went as far as Madonna did hence why they weren't trashed as much as she was. Janet's transformation started with the release of "Love Will Never Do Without You" and there were early signs of that even in the Control album, way before the 90s "Madonna" sexual overdose that nearly destroyed her career.
Britney gradually got sexier and sexier, right from the time "... Baby One More Time" was unleashed to the world. The media storm grew stronger and stronger before hitting its climax with her 07 VMAs performance, where they symbolically sacrificed her body to the exploding mass media. But, both Janet and Britney underwent a gradual good girl gone bad transformation, but in different ways. (Tomboy vs Lolita
Janet didn't invent anything since it had already been done with great success by Olivia Newton John in the 70s and early 80s ( Grease whose central point is her transformation became the biggest musical ever and the racy "Physical", the #1 song of the 80s in the USA)!
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Janet used to drag Madonna for taking her clothes off, but after Madonna shook the ground of pop scene with her oversexualized image from late 80s on, she followed the suit and even went as far as making an album based around sex, isnt the timing interesting?
The backlash Britney experienced had little to do with her sexual image. All the scandals around her persona just made her a very popular tabloid topic, media were just milking her and parasiting on her popularity.
Yes, the change of image to more sexual one is nothing new, look at Cher for example, she did it way before Olivia, but nobody took it as far as Madonna. It wasnt the actual album, but (I will repeat myself here) the way how Madonnas career survived such extremely sexual era and backlash what encouraged many female artists to be more sexual, because the public perception of womans sexuality became less critical and today its almost required for pop stars to play the sex card.
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I don't see much Madonna in Britney at all.
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Originally posted by Blur
They never went as far as Madonna did hence why they weren't trashed as much as she was. Janet's transformation started with the release of "Love Will Never Do Without You" and there were early signs of that even in the Control album, way before the 90s "Madonna" sexual overdose that nearly destroyed her career.
Britney gradually got sexier and sexier, right from the time "... Baby One More Time" was unleashed to the world. The media storm grew stronger and stronger before hitting its climax with her 07 VMAs performance, where they symbolically sacrificed her body to the exploding mass media. But, both Janet and Britney underwent a gradual good girl gone bad transformation, but in different ways. (Tomboy vs Lolita
Janet didn't invent anything since it had already been done with great success by Olivia Newton John in the 70s and early 80s ( Grease whose central point is her transformation became the biggest musical ever and the racy "Physical", the #1 song of the 80s in the USA)!
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agree most part of this post
there's no such thing called " transformation from good girl to bad girl " suck a kii of this forum
Blond Ambition Tour of Madonna did change the way how female pop stars dressing and performing. before Blond Ambition, female artists had been dressing musculine and less sexy than nowaday to affirm the feminism
after the revolution that Madonna did with Blond Ambition tour female artists darely started to dress and perform in a more sexy way on stage, they became more confident to express their sexuality
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Janet used to drag Madonna for taking her clothes off, but after Madonna shook the ground of pop scene with her oversexualized image from late 80s on, she followed the suit and even went as far as making an album based around sex, isnt the timing interesting?
The backlash Britney experienced had little to do with her sexual image. All the scandals around her persona just made her a very popular tabloid topic, media were just milking her and parasiting on her popularity.
Yes, the change of image to more sexual one is nothing new, look at Cher for example, she did it way before Olivia, but nobody took it as far as Madonna. It wasnt the actual album, but (I will repeat myself here) the way how Madonnas career survived such extremely sexual era and backlash what encouraged many female artists to be more sexual, because the public perception of womans sexuality became less critical and today its almost required for pop stars to play the sex card.
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If I recall well, Janet just said her sexiness was classier and, at that time, she was right. It wasn't as abrasive and hard compared to Madonna's agressive, borderline sexuality.
I'm gonna have to disagree because in most of the media covering, you could notice how they always attacked her on her body and feminity. As if they took a sadistic pleasure having the sex symbol finally showing how imperfect and different she was from the "golden" days. It's really vicious because they used to reproach her for using too much sexuality and now they were scolding her for not doing it as good as she used to. It really disgusts me, to be honest, that they spoke (and still do) about her like she was their property...
Cher did become sexier a few years before Olivia when she started her solo career but I see her more as a naturally sexy, flamboyant diva that was tired of her "hippie" image. Olivia used to be a country music star (!), you can't get more conservative than that so her 180° starting with Grease and peaking with the monster hit Physical (banned in many local radios) is a perfect example of an early female popstar "reinvention". Many people don't know that Olivia Newton John was ahead of her times, in many ways, but when you study her trajectory it's quite impressive.
I actually think, the whole Erotica era is on the "not to do" list of most managers of the current popstars! Lmao It showed, there was a glass ceiling that you can't break no matter how big of a star you are. Also, her career was deeply wounded because of it and if it weren't for the miraculous Ray Of Light saving the day, she would have never recovered.
And as you said earlier, sex has always been a requirement for popstars. Diana, Olivia, Cher, Donna, you name them, they ALL used it in their songs and images.
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Britney is a Janet stan, through and through. The influence is never ending!
Lol @ some of her stans trying to deny it or pass it off to Madonna. So transparent.
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Janet's Damita Jo and Britney ITZ were released almost in the same year and the songs were completely interchangeable I'd say Janet.
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Originally posted by Planet Mars
Madonna never fully recovered post erotics tbh, it turned ALOT of her fans off, Janet on the other hand took risk but in a more "classy" way as she put it. She was sexy without being completely vile and innapropriate, Britney was like that as well.
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I think she did recover completely because Ray of Light even managed to outsell Like a Prayer (16m vs 15m).
However if she didn't pull off Ray of Light, her career would never have completely recovered. Erotica did a ton of damage that took nearly six years to recover from. It was a gradual recovery from Bedtime Stories to a significantly more toned down image with Something to Remember & Evita, and finally Ray of Light was what cemented her comeback.
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They were two of her biggest influences.
Now she says that JLo is her biggest influence.
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