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ATRL: Does this site have a mob mentality?
Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 5,994
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Originally posted by holyfool
Being racist/sexist/homophobic/etc doesn't equal having a different opinion it just means you're an ass
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Exactly. Why do ya'll want to be a dick to others THAT bad?
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
Posts: 29,767
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Originally posted by St. Charles
How did we jump from "unpopular opinion" to rape and racism? They are not the same and you're going off the deep end.
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Are you saying that being pro-rape isn't an unpopular opinion?
Where do you live that it is popular?
If we are going to respect unpopular opinions, you are going to respect some pretty disgusting opinions.
Playing ignorant isn't going to change that.
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Member Since: 10/6/2010
Posts: 3,453
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Yes. Racial threads are unbearable (anytime there's someone that challenges the general consensus all it turns into is "ohhh here come the white people to tell us what racism is!!!!" because they can't actually articulate an argument) and certain Trump threads (like the one recently about a black church being vandalized) as well. The only valuable discussion I've ever seen here is in the agnostics/atheists thread.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
Posts: 14,905
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Originally posted by St. Charles
So you're claiming that opinions other than yours are automatically racist, sexist, and homophobic?
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lmao not every opinion he disagrees with is offensive - but some are
not all opinions should be respected
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Member Since: 8/6/2012
Posts: 7,772
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Originally posted by holyfool
Being racist/sexist/homophobic/etc doesn't equal having a different opinion it just means you're an ass
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This is true when someone is actually saying something that is explicitly racist/sexist/homophobic - but I think the lines are so blurred with cultural appropriation and such that discrediting the voices of people who don't give into those ideas and automatically labeling them racist isn't productive for anyone at all.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
Posts: 3,830
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Originally posted by Wafflecakes
Pretending that every bigoted, piece of **** opinion has the same value as other opinions is moronic
Forgive me if thinking that positions such as racism and being pro-rape are not equal to opinions such as respecting women's rights and equality.
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You are the exact type of person me and other people agreeing with the OP are talking about. Your opinions are logically incoherent and self-entitled about their righteousness. Racism and pro-rape terms you've described do not match non-SJW definitions of these behaviors which will be a field for you to throw around insults at people disagreeing with you. If you're going to continue this, you will have this thread closed if that's what you aim for.
To people who are here for real discussion, please ignore this person unless they start making a real point. This is a topic worthy of discussion.
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 1/3/2014
Posts: 11,976
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Originally posted by Wafflecakes
Are you saying that being pro-rape isn't an unpopular opinion?
Where do you live that it is popular?
If we are going to respect unpopular opinions, you are going to respect some pretty disgusting opinions.
Playing ignorant isn't going to change that.
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An opinion can be unpopular without being that extreme. They aren't the same thing.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
Posts: 29,767
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Originally posted by St. Charles
Again, I mentioned "unpopular opinions," but nothing about anything this extreme.
This site doesn't allow negative threads bashing white people to remain open, why would it do the same for any other threads? It's not at all what I'm talking about.
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You can't have it both ways.
Either you want to respect deplorable opinions or you don't.
I choose not to respect racists, misogynists, and homophobes. How about you?
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 5/20/2012
Posts: 1,318
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Originally posted by St. Charles
So you're claiming that opinions other than yours are automatically racist, sexist, and homophobic?
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I never said that. I'm saying that if someones gonna sit up here and be blatantly racist, sexist, homophobic, islamaphobic or throwing around any other sort of hate speech/ideas then thats not a different opinion thats just being blatantly racist, sexist, homophobic, islamaphobic, etc but people use the 'different opinion' excuse to try and get away with it.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
Posts: 2,201
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Originally posted by Wafflecakes
Are you saying that being pro-rape isn't an unpopular opinion?
Where do you live that it is popular?
If we are going to respect unpopular opinions, you are going to respect some pretty disgusting opinions.
Playing ignorant isn't going to change that.
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What's wrong with respecting unpopular or "bad" opinions tho? You can repect an opinion while also completely disagreeing with it. I'm pro choice but respect and understand people who are pro life. Is there something wrong with that?
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Member Since: 6/10/2012
Posts: 2,198
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Originally posted by snowo
I'm just gonna leave here that hate speech and opinion are two different things and not just a "different opinion"
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Well, hate speech technically expresses an opinion, but I get what you're saying here sis.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
Posts: 29,767
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Originally posted by St. Charles
So you're claiming that opinions other than yours are automatically racist, sexist, and homophobic?
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lolololol
They didn't even slightly say that. You are just pulling **** out of your ass at this point
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 1/3/2014
Posts: 11,976
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Originally posted by Wafflecakes
You can't have it both ways.
Either you want to respect deplorable opinions or you don't.
I choose not to respect racists, misogynists, and homophobes. How about you?
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What do you mean by "both ways?"
I'm not saying people should be able to open up threads like "rape isn't bad!!" But I'm saying that the site has a CLEAR bias for anyone that doesn't adhere to the left.
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Member Since: 6/10/2012
Posts: 2,198
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Quote:
Originally posted by Wafflecakes
Pretending that every bigoted, piece of **** opinion has the same value as other opinions is moronic
Forgive me if thinking that positions such as racism and being pro-rape are not equal to opinions such as respecting women's rights and equality.
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I'm sorry, do you know the definition of bigotry? Let me pull it up for you.
big·ot·ry
ˈbiɡətrē/
noun
intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.
I get what you're trying to say, with heart in the right place, but use the right words. Bigotry is exactly what you're coming off as right now.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
Posts: 29,767
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Originally posted by St. Charles
What do you mean by "both ways?"
I'm not saying people should be able to open up threads like "rape isn't bad!!" But I'm saying that the site has a CLEAR bias for anyone that doesn't adhere to the left.
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There is such a thing as just being right. (Not saying that there is a consensus "right" side for every issue.... but for many there are)
I don't have to respect someone who claims 2+2=3 just to make them feel like they are accepted
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 1/3/2014
Posts: 11,976
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Originally posted by Wafflecakes
lolololol
They didn't even slightly say that. You are just pulling **** out of your ass at this point
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My ass is clean. There's no **** that's getting pulled out of it. Trust.
I only mentioned "opinions that differ at all from the norm" which is NOT exclusive to "racist, homophobic, sexist" views. You all keep jumping immediately to those things and you have to understand that this is a spectrum, not a 2-sided issue.
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Member Since: 2/5/2014
Posts: 3,371
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Originally posted by BabyCantYouSee
Good point.
Of course nasty things being said that affects a person should not be tolerated at all. But ATRL also sometimes blocks mature discussions due to many people having opposing views from one another which is opposite from being progressive. Mature discussion is the key to learn and also grow.
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I think when you see those threads get shut down it's because they are showing signs of spiraling into something ugly. So nipping it is the best choice.
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 1/3/2014
Posts: 11,976
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Originally posted by Wafflecakes
There is such a thing as just being right. (Not saying that there is a consensus "right" side for every issue.... but for many there are)
I don't have to respect someone who claims 2+2=3 just to make them feel like they are accepted
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This is a false equivalency. Mathematical data is factual, not opinionated.
But even if we ignore that, you don't have to "accept" the opinion. But you can
a) argue with the person and prove your point
b) ignore them
You don't need to run to the mods immediately and ask them to permaban everyone. That's such a childlike mentality.
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Member Since: 10/6/2010
Posts: 3,453
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Quote:
Originally posted by Wafflecakes
There is such a thing as just being right. (Not saying that there is a consensus "right" side for every issue.... but for many there are)
I don't have to respect someone who claims 2+2=3 just to make them feel like they are accepted
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Except 2+2=4 is a fact, hun. It's not a claim or an opinion.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
Posts: 3,830
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Quote:
Originally posted by St. Charles
What do you mean by "both ways?"
I'm not saying people should be able to open up threads like "rape isn't bad!!" But I'm saying that the site has a CLEAR bias for anyone that doesn't adhere to the left.
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The far-left have been pushing the general level of public discourse to the left everywhere since the 1960s. Political correctness and cultural marxism are their tools. As a result, some of their far-left postulates are promoted as the new, ideologically unbiased norm. As a result, many people are being branded as racists, homophobes, sexists despite, in reality being moderate and far from any of these terms. And so, people are being forced to autocensor their views. All of this created an alternate world in which all the left supporters and SJWs live. All mods of this site live in this reality and think they're unbiased, but in reality they are.
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