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Discussion: Why isn't JLo bashed for flopping?
Member Since: 6/25/2011
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Originally posted by KangBey
She doesn't have any stans and just about every main pop girl has surpassed her. Its like dragging Jessica Simpson.
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And to answer the question, she's already had success. She's old and isn't what the young kids are using. People love her (celebrity & fashion) but they aren't enabled or compelled to support her musically, and recently, film wise as much.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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It seems to answer this we should examine why these other girls are bashed for flopping?
It seems like a poor argument to bash someone based on a level of success.We should be criticizing people based on quality, not quantity. What does it matter if someone flops or not as long as the music good?
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Member Since: 5/7/2012
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Singing isn't her main profession like the other girls and even when she was selling a lot I still don't feel like she was seen as a main pop girl like Britney or Christina were (for whatever reason) and like somebody said she isn't seen as a threat in the music field
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Member Since: 8/3/2012
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Originally posted by swissman
It seems you think what I said was that she has only had a few successful films.
If you would kindly re-read what I said (if you can't find it, you've already done yourself a favour and bolded it), you'll see that I was comparing the impact of her films vs. the impact of her music, and as I said, aside from a few films from the early 2000s, her movies have not really had much of an impact. Those movies in my opinion are Maid and Manhattan and The Wedding Planner. I think they are iconic rom-coms of the 2000s, just as Jenny From the Block is an iconic song of the same time. My point was that the music is more remembered than the films.
Please calm down with your condescending tone.
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Well it certainly is easier remembering 3minute songs over 2 hour movies, great observation Swiss!
So what are you saying she has to have every single movie she does be some super iconic impactful role. If her movies had no impact then you wound't of had so many artist randomly trying to jumpstart film careers after jlo succeeded in both film and music.
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Originally posted by Ishiba_Makuza
Well it certainly is easier remembering 3minute songs over 2 hour movies, great observation Swiss!
So what are you saying she has to have every single movie she does be some super iconic impactful role. If her movies had no impact then you wound't of had so many artist randomly trying to jumpstart film careers after jlo succeeded in both film and music.
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What kind of logic is that? If you dedicated 2 hours to a movie and 3 minutes to a song, isn't it easier to remember something you experienced for 120 minutes over just 3? You should be arguing that a song is replayed far more times than a movie is, and thus because of repeat exposure a song is easier to remember.
And what I said is hardly an observation as much as evidence that her music career if overall a bigger success as far as what the GP thinks of her. If you said, "Jennifer Lopez" is someone going to name a movie before a song? I think not.
I don't think J.Lo coined the singer/musician-turned-actor thing though. Here is a list of singers who went into movie making prior to Jennifer Lopez:
- Madonna
- Whitney Houston
- Michael Jackson
- Diana Ross
- Elvis
- The Beatles
- Janet Jackson
- Cher
- Dolly Parton
- David Bowie
- Dean Martin
- Frank Sinatra
- Barbra Streisand
- Will Smith
- Bing Crosby
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Originally posted by iHype.
She was actually bashed a lot the week A.K.A. dropped. Especially there was a thread where it sold like 500 copies in UK, and someone said 'it's lower than my area code' and everyone laughed and dragged her for pages.
Anyways outside that, she's not really seen as a main girl, and her albums never sold to begin with.
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Yea i remember there where so many threads being made about it.
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Member Since: 6/25/2011
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Originally posted by swissman
What kind of logic is that? If you dedicated 2 hours to a movie and 3 minutes to a song, isn't it easier to remember something you experienced for 120 minutes over just 3? You should be arguing that a song is replayed far more times than a movie is, and thus because of repeat exposure a song is easier to remember.
And what I said is hardly an observation as much as evidence that her music career if overall a bigger success as far as what the GP thinks of her. If you said, "Jennifer Lopez" is someone going to name a movie before a song? I think not.
I don't think J.Lo coined the singer-turned-actor thing though. Here is a list of singers who went into movie making prior to Jennifer Lopez:
Madonna, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, Diana Ross, Elvis, The Beatles, Janet Jackson, Cher, Dolly Parton, David Bowie, Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra, Barbra Streisand, Will Smith, Bing Crosby, ...
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Wait. Did someone actually have the NERVE to say Jennifer started the singer turned actor thing? WTF!? Stop. She didn't start a damn thing.
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Member Since: 1/8/2012
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Originally posted by Lose My Breath
Because she has been flopping for most of her career
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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Originally posted by FantasyRide
because JLo is a media mogul 1st an actress 2nd and then a musician 3rd. even when she's flopping musically she's still winning in some other aspect of the entertainment industry. the other girls are all artists 1st, she started as an actress and then just drops albums whenever she feels like it.
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this
she's still earning more coins from all of other ventures than her music, so she stays winning
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Member Since: 9/18/2011
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Because even when she's flipping she maintains her relevancy. She topped Forbes despite her album bombing what kind of brand power?
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Member Since: 12/15/2011
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Originally posted by TheOnlyOne
Because she's an actress turned singer. She still does well in her primary field, film.
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singing was what made her a household name
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Member Since: 5/19/2012
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Originally posted by QueenBLadyG
And to answer the question, she's already had success. She's old and isn't what the young kids are using. People love her (celebrity & fashion) but they aren't enabled or compelled to support her musically, and recently, film wise as much.
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Not at all. Boy Next Door was a huge hit and Home is gonna end up grossing nearly half a billion dollars.
Jennifer just is not A-list musically anymore. Her stan base also isn't as rabbid as other ones (such as threatening to kill another musician), such as the Hive. It's the same reason why Shakira, Pink, Kylie, etc. aren't dragged as much as Katy, Gaga, Rihanna, Beyonce, etc.
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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Originally posted by swissman
What kind of logic is that? If you dedicated 2 hours to a movie and 3 minutes to a song, isn't it easier to remember something you experienced for 120 minutes over just 3? You should be arguing that a song is replayed far more times than a movie is, and thus because of repeat exposure a song is easier to remember.
And what I said is hardly an observation as much as evidence that her music career if overall a bigger success as far as what the GP thinks of her. If you said, "Jennifer Lopez" is someone going to name a movie before a song? I think not.
I don't think J.Lo coined the singer/musician-turned-actor thing though. Here is a list of singers who went into movie making prior to Jennifer Lopez:
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embarrassing
try again next time
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Originally posted by swissman
What kind of logic is that? If you dedicated 2 hours to a movie and 3 minutes to a song, isn't it easier to remember something you experienced for 120 minutes over just 3? You should be arguing that a song is replayed far more times than a movie is, and thus because of repeat exposure a song is easier to remember.
And what I said is hardly an observation as much as evidence that her music career if overall a bigger success as far as what the GP thinks of her. If you said, "Jennifer Lopez" is someone going to name a movie before a song? I think not.
I don't think J.Lo coined the singer/musician-turned-actor thing though. Here is a list of singers who went into movie making prior to Jennifer Lopez:
- Madonna
- Whitney Houston
- Michael Jackson
- Diana Ross
- Elvis
- The Beatles
- Janet Jackson
- Cher
- Dolly Parton
- David Bowie
- Dean Martin
- Frank Sinatra
- Barbra Streisand
- Will Smith
- Bing Crosby
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J.Lo's case was rare though. She was an actress-turned-musician, way before the likes of these basic Disney girls.
She was the most successful crossover artist since I believe in two decades. In Hollywood its almost unheard of it. Critics believed it would've been career suicide.
Many have had one or a few hits, but not to the extent of Jennifer Lopez. She literally made it look so effortless.
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Originally posted by conseeded
Not at all. Boy Next Door was a huge hit and Home is gonna end up grossing nearly half a billion dollars.
Jennifer just is not A-list musically anymore. Her stan base also isn't as rabbid as other ones (such as threatening to kill another musician), such as the Hive. It's the same reason why Shakira, Pink, Kylie, etc. aren't dragged as much as Katy, Gaga, Rihanna, Beyonce, etc.
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Those two are her first "hit" movies in awhile, one she's physically in the other her voice. BND was far from a "huge hit". It grossed well considering it budget, but it wasn't considered a box office smash or even mentioned during the successes of the year so far. Home doesn't even feature her likeness. She can't be considered a factor for it's box office success. Her voice can only do so much.
Like you said she isn't a A-lister when it comes to music. She's a celebrity. She doesn't command or inspire people to buy her material.
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Member Since: 4/5/2012
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Originally posted by hot mess
singing was what made her a household name
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Actually, "Selena" made her a household name in the Latino community and somewhat Americans with her Golden-Globe nomination. She also had "Anaconda" that reached #1 that same year on the Box Office.
Her music career made her international though.
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Member Since: 6/25/2011
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Originally posted by JLO_FeEN
Actually, "Selena" made her a household name in the Latino community and somewhat Americans with her Golden-Globe nomination. She also had "Anaconda" that reached #1 that same year on the Box Office.
Her music career made her international though.
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I still remember watching Anaconda mainly for Jennifer and Ice Cube.
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Member Since: 8/3/2012
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Originally posted by swissman
What kind of logic is that? If you dedicated 2 hours to a movie and 3 minutes to a song, isn't it easier to remember something you experienced for 120 minutes over just 3? You should be arguing that a song is replayed far more times than a movie is, and thus because of repeat exposure a song is easier to remember.
And what I said is hardly an observation as much as evidence that her music career if overall a bigger success as far as what the GP thinks of her. If you said, "Jennifer Lopez" is someone going to name a movie before a song? I think not.
I don't think J.Lo coined the singer/musician-turned-actor thing though. Here is a list of singers who went into movie making prior to Jennifer Lopez:
- Madonna
- Whitney Houston
- Michael Jackson
- Diana Ross
- Elvis
- The Beatles
- Janet Jackson
- Cher
- Dolly Parton
- David Bowie
- Dean Martin
- Frank Sinatra
- Barbra Streisand
- Will Smith
- Bing Crosby
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These are the only valid ones, I never said she did first. Just she actually was an actress who turned into a successful singer. Most of these people had like that 1 movie in there career. Jlo had multiple hit movies and hit songs. Madonna had like Evita and thats it. Its not like all artists ran to have a career in movies after she did 1 movie.
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Member Since: 4/26/2012
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Originally posted by QueenBLadyG
I still remember watching Anaconda mainly for Jennifer and Ice Cube.
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Same.
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Member Since: 8/19/2011
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Originally posted by swissman
When I think Jennifer Lopez though, I think of her as a singer first. Her films do not spring to mind quicker than her songs. Just look at how the whole world refers to her as J.Lo, which is a music persona. Also her music is better than her movies.
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Her fans love to paint the illusion that she's some sort of respected actress turned singer. She's neither that nor is she an "artist"... She's a glorified Kim. Her "ass", youthful looks and Grammy dress are more famous than anything she has done professionally. Her and Kim are one and the same and the long paper trail of divorce papers show it.
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