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Celeb News: "Ghostwriting Keeps Drake From Being a Top Lyricist"
Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by like2throw
Hes a rapper because he raps. What do you call singers who dont write their lyrics? Singers.
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Products-- "not" real artists-- ghost
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Member Since: 6/28/2009
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
Drake is not a rapper. Rappers write rap verses. He's in the same lane as Katy and Adele.
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Except that Katy and Adele do write some of their songs.
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Originally posted by Jberg
Products-- "not" real artists-- ghost
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So I guess that makes Frank Sinatra and Elvis products then.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by hOAng
Except that Katy and Adele do write some of their songs.
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IDK about katy but Adele write all her songs, she just has help.
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What is going on with people caring about writing rhymes when very few rappers have sole writing credit for their biggest hits much less their album tracks.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Hi_im_new
Lol but it wasn't. A corny track full of basic bars.
He gives y'all the bare minimum when it comes to wordplay, flow, etc. he just dresses it up with a nice beat & nice production.
The same rinse & repeat.
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Blah Blah blah, yall keep spewing this false rhetoric that no one cares about. B2B was an urban staple last summer, the numbers don't lie.
Drake may not be the cleanest lyricist, no one ever said he was, but people of both hip-hop and pop, from all walks of life actually, enjoy his music. That's a sign of good music. And you can't say he gives "bare minimum" when he's clearly better at rapping than guys like Future, French Montana. and 2 Chainz.
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Originally posted by hOAng
Except that Katy and Adele do write some of their songs.
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I know, I'm talking about them as rappers. Both have covered rap songs.
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Originally posted by hOAng
1. Playaz Club was literally a sample/homage thing.
2. S16 was leaked.
3. QM was a CREDITEDco-writer (which is the exact opposite of a GHOSTwriter) and only wrote 2 hooks and 8 bars for Drake.
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You don't sample an entire verse, that's complete nonsense and such a ******** excuse. This isn't what rap is about. "sampling" old verses (without even crediting them in this case) isn't any better than using ghostwriters. Rappers write.
Meek's track was released like an hour after S16 leaked.
Nobody cares if QM was credited. Rappers can use songwriters for hooks, bridges, production or even as inspiration, but using someone to write your bars while claiming you write them yourself is also using ghostwriters.
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Member Since: 12/10/2011
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
You don't sample an entire verse, that's complete nonsense and such a ******** excuse. This isn't what rap is about. "sampling" old verses (without even crediting them in this case) isn't any better than using ghostwriters. Rappers write.
Meek's track was released like an hour after S16 leaked.
Nobody cares if QM was credited. Rappers can use songwriters for hooks, bridges, production or even as inspiration, but using someone to write your bars while claiming you write them yourself is also using ghostwriters.
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1. That was an obvious sampling/homage situation, he rapped an extremely popular 16. He knew people would recognize it, that wasn't something he tried to hide.
When Jay said, "When the Remy's in the system, ain't no tellin
Will I **** 'em will I diss 'em, that's what they be yellin
I'm a pimp by blood, not relation
Y'all be chasin, I replace them, huh?
Drunk off Crist', mami on E
Can't keep her little model hands off me" in Big Pimpin was that ghostwriting? No. It was sampling.
Biggie's bars were literally in TWIF:
"When the Rémy’s in the system
Ain’t no telling, “When I **** em, will I diss em?”
That’s what these hoes yelling
I’m a pimp by blood, not relation
Y'all still chase ‘em, I replace 'em
Drunk off Dom…"
It's called paying homage. That's what Drake did when he rapped a popular Playaz Club verse verbatim. Obviously
2. Once again, because Meek made some clown IG post saying "the ghostwriter told me!" Doesn't mean a ghostwriter told him anything. That IG post was 99% a joke that simple-minded people took literally.
3. Being credited is the most important thing here, so what are you talking about? Anyone who has worked with Drake, gets their credit. QM never wrote a single whole verse for Drake ever. He wrote 2 hooks, and gave Drake 8 bars on Rico. Just because Meek's slow ass knows how to read album credits doesn't mean he exposed some brand new information. Not to mention QM came forward MANY times and said he was never Drake's personal ghostwriter or anything of the sort.
Drake's talent should never be in question. Kanye literally JUST said he wrote on Father Stretch My Hands and 30 Hours. He is not incapable of writing by any stretch of the imagination. And he is MUCH better than your fave's boyfriend.
You can continue being pressed over the KING because he doesn't bother with Nicki anymore though. The saltiness is understandable.
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Member Since: 2/6/2014
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I thought we were over this whole ghost writing thing.
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Originally posted by Roman Holiday
Blah Blah blah, yall keep spewing this false rhetoric that no one cares about. B2B was an urban staple last summer, the numbers don't lie.
Drake may not be the cleanest lyricist, no one ever said he was, but people of both hip-hop and pop, from all walks of life actually, enjoy his music. That's a sign of good music. And you can't say he gives "bare minimum" when he's clearly better at rapping than guys like Future, French Montana. and 2 Chainz.
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Lol future, French Montana and 2chainz are the standards were measuring lyrical talent by?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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But when was Papi ever considered a top lyricist
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
Drake is not a rapper. Rappers write rap verses. He's in the same lane as Katy and Adele.
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If Drake is not a rapper, what does that make Nicki Minaj? Why are you so pressed over him like take a chill pill girl.
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Member Since: 6/2/2012
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
1. That was an obvious sampling/homage situation, he rapped an extremely popular 16. He knew people would recognize it, that wasn't something he tried to hide.
When Jay said, "When the Remy's in the system, ain't no tellin
Will I **** 'em will I diss 'em, that's what they be yellin
I'm a pimp by blood, not relation
Y'all be chasin, I replace them, huh?
Drunk off Crist', mami on E
Can't keep her little model hands off me" in Big Pimpin was that ghostwriting? No. It was sampling.
Biggie's bars were literally in TWIF:
"When the Rémy’s in the system
Ain’t no telling, “When I **** em, will I diss em?”
That’s what these hoes yelling
I’m a pimp by blood, not relation
Y'all still chase ‘em, I replace 'em
Drunk off Dom…"
It's called paying homage. That's what Drake did when he rapped a popular Playaz Club verse verbatim. Obviously
2. Once again, because Meek made some clown IG post saying "the ghostwriter told me!" Doesn't mean a ghostwriter told him anything. That IG post was 99% a joke that simple-minded people took literally.
3. Being credited is the most important thing here, so what are you talking about? Anyone who has worked with Drake, gets their credit. QM never wrote a single whole verse for Drake ever. He wrote 2 hooks, and gave Drake 8 bars on Rico. Just because Meek's slow ass knows how to read album credits doesn't mean he exposed some brand new information. Not to mention QM came forward MANY times and said he was never Drake's personal ghostwriter or anything of the sort.
Drake's talent should never be in question. Kanye literally JUST said he wrote on Father Stretch My Hands and 30 Hours. He is not incapable of writing by any stretch of the imagination. And he is MUCH better than your fave's boyfriend.
You can continue being pressed over the KING because he doesn't bother with Nicki anymore though. The saltiness is understandable.
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He indeed didn't try to hide it because he didn't know it was from an old song, he just took it from his ghoswriter. The sample wasn't even credited, so it definitely wasn't his choice. And again, rappers don't sample entire verses. Since when is that even a thing? Rappers write their own stuff. "sampling entire verses" is 100% ********. That's not paying homage, that's ripping off. At least Jay credited Biggie and only took a couple of lines.
He still got the lyrics before the song was released and Quentin Miller's reference track still got leaked.
Either way, the first point is basically the proof that Drake factually uses ghostwriter. No real rapper would ever rap an entire verse that they didn't write. The other two points are just even more evidence. I mean, I don't see any other rappers stealing songs from the 90's or getting their lyrics leaked before they are released or getting reference tracks leaked. It's pretty much a fact now, but you can keep convincing yourself otherwise.
Also mess @ the fact that you admit that he had 8 bars ghostwritten... That's already way too much.
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I don't get why people are defending having rap verses ghost-written. What talent is there in spitting bars you didn't pen?
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Member Since: 4/4/2005
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
1. That was an obvious sampling/homage situation, he rapped an extremely popular 16. He knew people would recognize it, that wasn't something he tried to hide.
When Jay said, "When the Remy's in the system, ain't no tellin
Will I **** 'em will I diss 'em, that's what they be yellin
I'm a pimp by blood, not relation
Y'all be chasin, I replace them, huh?
Drunk off Crist', mami on E
Can't keep her little model hands off me" in Big Pimpin was that ghostwriting? No. It was sampling.
Biggie's bars were literally in TWIF:
"When the Rémy’s in the system
Ain’t no telling, “When I **** em, will I diss em?”
That’s what these hoes yelling
I’m a pimp by blood, not relation
Y'all still chase ‘em, I replace 'em
Drunk off Dom…"
It's called paying homage. That's what Drake did when he rapped a popular Playaz Club verse verbatim. Obviously
2. Once again, because Meek made some clown IG post saying "the ghostwriter told me!" Doesn't mean a ghostwriter told him anything. That IG post was 99% a joke that simple-minded people took literally.
3. Being credited is the most important thing here, so what are you talking about? Anyone who has worked with Drake, gets their credit. QM never wrote a single whole verse for Drake ever. He wrote 2 hooks, and gave Drake 8 bars on Rico. Just because Meek's slow ass knows how to read album credits doesn't mean he exposed some brand new information. Not to mention QM came forward MANY times and said he was never Drake's personal ghostwriter or anything of the sort.
Drake's talent should never be in question. Kanye literally JUST said he wrote on Father Stretch My Hands and 30 Hours. He is not incapable of writing by any stretch of the imagination. And he is MUCH better than your fave's boyfriend.
You can continue being pressed over the KING because he doesn't bother with Nicki anymore though. The saltiness is understandable.
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So why he paid a fine for the song then if it was just paying homage?
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Member Since: 6/30/2012
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They better spill that tea.
And Nicki had the nerve to come for Iggy, when her best pal uses Ghostwriters by the minute
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Ghostwriters aren't credited. Why is this so hard for rap stans to understand.
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Member Since: 12/10/2011
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
He indeed didn't try to hide it because he didn't know it was from an old song, he just took it from his ghoswriter. The sample wasn't even credited, so it definitely wasn't his choice. And again, rappers don't sample entire verses. Since when is that even a thing? Rappers write their own stuff. "sampling entire verses" is 100% ********. That's not paying homage, that's ripping off. At least Jay credited Biggie and only took a couple of lines.
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The sample wasn't credited because it was a feature on YG's album. Drake doesn't handle publishing on other artists' stuff
The rest of your post isn't worth addressing because you STILL don't know what the definition of a ghostwriter is versus a credited co-writer.
Meek has NEVER written a song on his own. There are a bunch of guys credited for writing his hooks and bridges and basically every element of all of his songs. Drake has written whole songs by himself, which there is documented proof of. Meek's been exposed numerous of times for stealing bars, beats, and actually having his old producer from Flamerz era writing bars for him without compensation. That's what a ghostwriter is. QM was taking pictures with Drake everywhere, he was well known in rap industry circles, he was repping OVO everywhere. And above all, he was credited for every word he ever contributed to any Drake song. Drake wasn't hiding him. That's not what a ghostwriter is.
And plenty of "real rappers" have had help from other "real rappers." I can tell you know next to nothing about rap music.
Stay mad that Drake chucked the deuces up to your fave and her jailbird.
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Originally posted by dussymob
So why he paid a fine for the song then if it was just paying homage?
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Because the sample wasn't credited and Drake didn't want to partake in a long legal battle over it ala Blurred Lines v. Marvin Gaye's estate. Anyone with half a brain could google that Playaz Club verse. You think Drake didn't know that?
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Originally posted by Ties
Ghostwriters aren't credited. Why is this so hard for rap stans to understand.
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It's not. They're just mad that Drake is the top rapper in the game instead of their faves.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
Drake is not a rapper. Rappers write rap verses. He's in the same lane as Katy and Adele.
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Now you stan for him?
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