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Discussion: Is anyone truly original anymore?
Member Since: 6/15/2011
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Originally posted by Bea.
Why? I didn't insult anyone and if anyone starts getting too specific then it is their WPs they are playing with.
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You didn't but someone else will over and over. I can feel it.
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You can be influenced by your predecessors and still be original—as long as you push things further and add something new to what's come before. There's plenty of room for exploration and experimentation beyond the conventions set by the classics. Cultural literacy does not automatically make you a "rip-off."
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by supaspaz
You can be influenced by your predecessors and still be original—as long as you push things further and add something new to what's come before. There's plenty of room for exploration and experimentation beyond the conventions set by the classics. Cultural literacy does not automatically make you a "rip-off."
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Yet some artists are constantly accused of it.
See Lady Gaga and Nicki Minaj.
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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"Nothing is original. Steal from anywhere that resonates with inspiration or fuels your imagination. Devour old films, new films, music, books, paintings, photographs, poems, dreams, random conversations, architecture, bridges, street signs, trees, clouds, bodies of water, light and shadows. Select only things to steal from that speak directly to your soul. If you do this, your work (and theft) will be authentic. Authenticity is invaluable; originality is non-existent ... 'It’s not where you take things from - it’s where you take them to.'" — Jim Jarmusch
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Member Since: 11/10/2009
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Originally posted by Bea.
But somewhere way back in the past, someone created those rules. So there is always a first.
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That was kind of the point I was making. Writing music is very similar to writing literature; you have to follow the rules or else no one will understand you. There are ways to be unconventional, but they all stem from the original idea.
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Member Since: 6/21/2011
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Originally posted by Bea.
I kind of agree with this but isn't everyone influenced by someone?
We all have role models as kids, we all inadvertently copy behavior, style, language and other things. Don't artists essentially do the same thing?
For example. Laura Marling is considered original. She is extremely talented but there are artists out there like her, there is also someone. I can't think of any one artist that is completely unlike any other.
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Yes you're right
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Member Since: 12/31/2010
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Originally posted by Vin
Yes, I believe you take influences from people, and create your OWN ideas -- and that makes you original. Take Britney Spears, for example. Britney Spears is truly one of the most original pop artists on the scene, in terms of both music AND style. She constantly states that Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, and Madonna influence her, however, you don't see Britney Spears making an "Alejandro" video or creating a "Born This Way" single just because Madonna inspires her. Spears draws from the people who influence her and infuses that into an entirely fresh, forward-thinking idea. Britney Spears is not here for reliving the past, she's here for giving us something new and inventive... and she succeeds in doing that with every single album. Nothing sounds like "Femme Fatale," "Circus," "Blackout," etc. She keeps progressing forward and within the process, she gives brief shouts out to her "faves," like in the Toxic video, for example. That's how you incorporate influences with wink and a nudge as opposed to making something that blatantly resembles another artist.
...Vin
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The combination of old successes and new styles is the only way things will progress in music. Britney was part of the teen pop movement, and slowly developed with every album. She still sounded like Britney, but used previous styles that were good and she was good at and added new elements. Femme Fatale still sounds like the Britney we know from the early-mid 2000s, yet has dubstep and electronic influence. Britney takes from the teen pop she was in and dubstep along with elements she's attained over time, and poof, she has Hold It Against Me. The amount one is influenced by an artist varies, not every artist is the same and by now it seems like everyone should know by now each one has a different story behind that and should not be considered under the same circumstances.
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Most popular artists today are not original, they are just inspired and influenced by older artists. Sadly, it's all about the image, money and fame now. A lot of these artists go by what the public wants. However, they are other artists out there that are original but they are just underground artists. They dont want to be "celebrities" they just want to express themselves through music and make it meaningful , not sell out to a big corporation.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Pop music is nearly always deemed as unoriginal but people forget that a similar sound and style is almost the entire point of pop music.
Where the originality comes in is finding a new way to mesh everything together to make it sound fresh and interesting. Whether it be fashion, lyrics, beats or even a distinct voice.
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Member Since: 3/18/2009
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
"Nothing is original. Steal from anywhere that resonates with inspiration or fuels your imagination. Devour old films, new films, music, books, paintings, photographs, poems, dreams, random conversations, architecture, bridges, street signs, trees, clouds, bodies of water, light and shadows. Select only things to steal from that speak directly to your soul. If you do this, your work (and theft) will be authentic. Authenticity is invaluable; originality is non-existent ... 'It’s not where you take things from - it’s where you take them to.'" — Jim Jarmusch
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That is beautiful. I'm definitely going to keep it in mind going forward.
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Originally posted by Bea.
Yet some artists are constantly accused of it.
See Lady Gaga and Nicki Minaj.
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Probably because what they do or how they look is extremely comparable to something before them.
Take Beyonce for example. You can see a Tina Turner influence on her, but they are not really that similar. Same with Beyonce and someone like Donna Summer.
Not saying GaGa or Nicki are totally "rip-offs," but people mention that they have uncanny resemblances in music and/or style to past artists.
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Member Since: 12/31/2010
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Originally posted by Lipton
Enya.
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Is that Liptonese for "No," please explain. One word posts are too vague.
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Member Since: 7/12/2010
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
"Nothing is original. Steal from anywhere that resonates with inspiration or fuels your imagination. Devour old films, new films, music, books, paintings, photographs, poems, dreams, random conversations, architecture, bridges, street signs, trees, clouds, bodies of water, light and shadows. Select only things to steal from that speak directly to your soul. If you do this, your work (and theft) will be authentic. Authenticity is invaluable; originality is non-existent ... 'It’s not where you take things from - it’s where you take them to.'" — Jim Jarmusch
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
"Nothing is original. Steal from anywhere that resonates with inspiration or fuels your imagination. Devour old films, new films, music, books, paintings, photographs, poems, dreams, random conversations, architecture, bridges, street signs, trees, clouds, bodies of water, light and shadows. Select only things to steal from that speak directly to your soul. If you do this, your work (and theft) will be authentic. Authenticity is invaluable; originality is non-existent ... 'It’s not where you take things from - it’s where you take them to.'" — Jim Jarmusch
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That is how I feel about it but I could never phrase it so articulately or beautifully. Thank you for sharing that.
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Banned
Member Since: 11/24/2009
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The real question is, was anyone ever truly original?
The answer remains the same: No. Not even Shakespeare.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Jay
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I feel bad that they wasted a minute of their life putting together a speech that no one gives two ****s about... but maybe that's just me. 
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
The real question is, was anyone ever truly original?
The answer remains the same: No.
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I agree.
It annoys me when people say something like 'Madonna did that first'. No, no she didn't. Madonna brought it to your attention first but she was more than likely influenced by something else.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by Bentley
I feel bad that they wasted a minute of their life putting together a speech that no one gives two ****s about... but maybe that's just me. |
Are you saying that if you don't read it no-one does? Sorry, the universe isn't revolving around you.
If you aren't interested then leave. These posts are off topic and unnecessary. If you aren't going to add to the discussion raise your post count elsewhere. I recommend RT.
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Member Since: 12/31/2010
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
"Nothing is original. Steal from anywhere that resonates with inspiration or fuels your imagination. Devour old films, new films, music, books, paintings, photographs, poems, dreams, random conversations, architecture, bridges, street signs, trees, clouds, bodies of water, light and shadows. Select only things to steal from that speak directly to your soul. If you do this, your work (and theft) will be authentic. Authenticity is invaluable; originality is non-existent ... 'It’s not where you take things from - it’s where you take them to.'" — Jim Jarmusch
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This quote is perfection.
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