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Discussion: How are men oppressed?
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by KareBear
Any stigmas or expectations of males were put there by men in the first place
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Of course,
and this is not necessarily about arguing where they came from
It's about coming together and discussing them for what they are
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Grimes
Except they're not.
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Member Since: 2/6/2014
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expected to be a man whxre.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by KareBear
Gay men are oppressed but its a different case being oppressed for being gay and being male
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Not necessarily. As someone pointed out earlier, to be a lesbian is slightly more acceptable than it is to be a gay, but i agree with your other post. oppression is due to men anyway. The reason lesbianism is more accepted is because some men are turned on by it, therefore making it somewhat less stigmatized.
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Member Since: 5/14/2012
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Originally posted by Javan
Real men don't make "bonds". Unless it's to their favorite football team or beer brand.
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I don't watch sports, and I hate beer.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by bluth
That's more so oppression to do with sexuality and race rather than gender.
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My point still stands
The argument that males cannot be oppressed or discriminated against is ludicrous
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Member Since: 3/11/2012
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When it must be decided who will get the kid after a divorce, in like 90% of the cases, women will get custody even if a man has better conditions to raise a kid and loves him just as much as the kid's mother because it's accepted that every child needs his mother. But what about fathers?
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Latch
There's an airline that doesn't allow adult males passengers (specifically) to be seated next to children,
because of the assumption that the man might be a child predator
Like...
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That's very specific to one condition. It's not as universally pertinent as, say, the fact that a woman can't be sexually expressive without being called a ****; by the fact that the English language, for example, is rife with derogatory words like 'bitch', '****', '*****', 'wench', and many others for which there is not a male equivalent; the fact that you can turn on the news and see old, greying male news anchors seated next to a youthful woman; or the fact that employers are regularly concerned about hiring women about to start a family (and this is just for typical Western societies, completely ignoring the downright misogyny which exists within other cultures).
The idea of oppression is that societies are vastly defined by standards which disadvantage a certain 'group'. These examples are just expectations to which men are held in specific circumstances. It is not constraining to the same extent real oppression is.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
That must be specific to certain countries then because I've done baby-sitting and I've never had any problem.
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i don't have statistics, and i'm sure there are exceptions, but generally, i think it's safe to say that it's less likely that men/boys will be accepted as babysitters than women/girls, in the U.S.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Men, as a group, are not oppressed. 'Oppression' implies a deliberate institutional effort to keep them down, and it's safe to say that this doesn't apply to men.
However, men do face some unique disadvantages in our society. Besides the examples you mentioned, men are far more likely to be incarcerated (especially non- white men), resources for male victims of abuse and rape are relatively scarce, the homeless population is disproportionately male, and there's a huge stigma attached to men who have jobs that involve working with children (teachers, pediatricians, daycare workers, etc.).
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Latch
My point still stands
The argument that males cannot be oppressed or discriminated against is ludicrous
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In a racial attack against a black man, the colour of his skin is the defining prejudice.
In a homophobic attack against a man, his sexuality is the defining prejudice.
Do you really think that it's really a commonplace thing for people to discriminate against a person because they are a man, in comparison to women, gays and ethnic minorities? Saying an oppressed white, gay man is an example of male oppression is almost as ludicrous as calling it white oppression.
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Member Since: 12/9/2009
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While things such as adhering to gender roles and whatnot exist, men are not oppressed in the same way females are oppressed. It's the same thing as the race issue. Just because you're white doesn't mean you can't experience racism at the individual level but you will never face institutionalize racism. Very often, Men are oppressed as a function of the sexism and misogyny that is intended for women.
For example, expression of emotion is viewed as weak and negative. It is possible that a man could be ridiculed for being emotional because it doesn't fit the norm but that is inherently misogynistic. Expression of emotion is tied to females and female traits are regarded as weak and negative. Men will never have to face the discomfort females do
edit - tl;dr MEN ARE NOT OPPRESSED BECAUSE OF THEIR GENDER
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Member Since: 5/18/2011
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In order for someone to be oppressed they have to be in a position of inferiority. Men are the dominant sex in society.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by KareBear
Any stigmas or expectations of males were put there by men in the first place
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Not true. Woman made man, Woman control man, Woman really secretly run ting in the background. Women really benefit from all this. Woman made it so that men are expected to work their ass off for the family and pull chair out for women, while woman sit in that same chair and are expected to do nothing other than look pretty and now with makeup and plastic surgery, that's hardy difficult. Is it? It's a covert matriarchy. Dig a little deeper a bit, sis.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
Men, as a group, are not oppressed. 'Oppression' implies a deliberate institutional effort to keep them down, and it's safe to say that this doesn't apply to men.
However, men do face some unique disadvantages in our society. Besides the examples you mentioned, men are far more likely to be incarcerated (especially non- white men), resources for male victims of abuse and rape are relatively scarce, the homeless population is disproportionately male, and there's a huge stigma attached to men who have jobs that involve working with children (teachers, pediatricians, daycare workers, etc.).
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so you wouldn't use the word oppression in an instance where there is political opposition to gay marriage?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by bluth
That's very specific to one condition. It's not as universally pertinent as, say, the fact that a woman can't be sexually expressive without being called a ****; by the fact that the English language, for example, is rife with derogatory words like 'bitch', '****', '*****', 'wench', and many others for which there is not a male equivalent; the fact that you can turn on the news and see old, greying male news anchors seated next to a youthful woman; or the fact that employers are regularly concerned about hiring women about to start a family (and this is just for typical Western societies, completely ignoring the downright misogyny which exists within other cultures).
The idea of oppression is that societies are vastly defined by standards which disadvantage a certain 'group'. These examples are just expectations to which men are held in specific circumstances. It is not constraining to the same extent real oppression is.
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I clearly and explicitly stated in the OP,
" this thread was not necessarily made for the purpose of suppressing the struggles of women in society, but rather for observing and discussing how men are unfairly and unequally treated. "
I'm a feminist and I'm a strong advocate for the equal treatment of women, so if you would like to discuss women's plight then I'm willing to do that with you all day all night all times of year, but in another thread at another time
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Member Since: 3/3/2014
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The ignorance on this thread is just amazing.
Men are absolutely oppressed. The greatest example of such oppression (at least for the US men) is that we all must sign a contract at 18 saying that should there be a war so devastating that a draft is necessary, that we have the chance to be picked to fight in the war. Now, we don't have to sign said contract, however, if you don't, you can be denied scholarships, entrance into colleges and even be imprisoned.
Another example of course is the fact that we are deemed as, if not expected to be the courageous, intelligent ones of society. We are also supposed to be these cold beings that are only interested in a hit & run. Which leads me to the third point, we are always deemed as these hypersexual, wild beasts.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Women don't even have to cook anymore. With instant coffee, instant potato mash, instant this, instant that. Some have even stopped breast feeding altogether. Who is making the Man's job any easier? I would really love to know.
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Member Since: 6/25/2010
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
Men, as a group, are not oppressed. 'Oppression' implies a deliberate institutional effort to keep them down, and it's safe to say that this doesn't apply to men.
However, men do face some unique disadvantages in our society. Besides the examples you mentioned, men are far more likely to be incarcerated (especially non- white men), resources for male victims of abuse and rape are relatively scarce, the homeless population is disproportionately male, and there's a huge stigma attached to men who have jobs that involve working with children (teachers, pediatricians, daycare workers, etc.).
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Originally posted by bluth
In a racial attack against a black man, the colour of his skin is the defining prejudice.
In a homophobic attack against a man, his sexuality is the defining prejudice.
Do you really think that it's really a commonplace thing for people to discriminate against a person because they are a man, in comparison to women, gays and ethnic minorities? Saying an oppressed white, gay man is an example of male oppression is almost as ludicrous as calling it white oppression.
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Originally posted by Newt
While things such as adhering to gender roles and whatnot exist, men are not oppressed in the same way females are oppressed. It's the same thing as the race issue. Just because you're white doesn't mean you can't experience racism at the individual level but you will never face institutionalize racism. Very often, Men are oppressed as a function of the sexism and misogyny that is intended for women.
For example, expression of emotion is viewed as weak and negative. It is possible that a man could be ridiculed for being emotional because it doesn't fit the norm but that is inherently misogynistic. Expression of emotion is tied to females and female traits are regarded as weak and negative. Men will never have to face the discomfort females do
edit - tl;dr MEN ARE NOT OPPRESSED
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Originally posted by KB.
In order for someone to be oppressed they have to be in a position of inferiority. Men are the dominant sex in society.
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I'm thankful these comments were posted.
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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They're not, goodbye.
Women can be just as prejudiced as men, but it is not "sexism" because women do not hold political, economic, and institutional power.
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