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Discussion: Why Isn't STRONGER Stronger?
Member Since: 10/16/2011
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Originally posted by North & South
Well it's already been certified Gold in the US with just one "horrible" single, lol. It's 74k away from 500k.
To put a little perspective-- 3 pop girls, same label, been in the business for a decade
Avril: around 300k in the US - with 3 singles
Britney: close to 700k(anyone know the exact #?) in the US - with 4 singles
Kelly: close to 500k - with 1 single
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THIS!!!! Kelly Stan is ARMY!!!!
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Member Since: 8/17/2011
Posts: 8,032
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
The public doesn't really know anything. How else to explain Candy Shop keeping a pop classic off the top of the charts for weeks?
Point is, they both song best when they sing soul music. It's also why Kelly sounds so good singing country. They're singers singers, and this pop rock bull is more for the Avrils and Ashlees of the world. (I LOVE Ashlee, by the by. Not a dig.)
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I get what you mean and I actually agree to an extent. I mean her unreleased r&b influenced songs like I Can't Lose and Baby Blue Eyes are some of my favorites by her and I love her singer songwriter stuff. I know the album after My December was supposed to be more Country/Blues but that was scrapped. I just doubt she would sell if she went back to that sound.
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Member Since: 12/9/2007
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
The public doesn't really know anything. How else to explain Candy Shop keeping a pop classic off the top of the charts for weeks?
Point is, they both song best when they sing soul music. It's also why Kelly sounds so good singing country. They're singers singers, and this pop rock bull is more for the Avrils and Ashlees of the world. (I LOVE Ashlee, by the by. Not a dig.)
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So true! I think there are some songs on Stronger that have some soul in them, or at least allow Kelly's vocals to shine, though. It's her best release since Breakaway, but that doesn't hide the fact that a lot of the songs sound like P!nk rejects, without the wink.
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Member Since: 6/15/2011
Posts: 5,842
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
It's nonsense to release that as a single.
Never Let Me Go is an OBVIOUS choice.
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Completely agree. NLMG would do really well, especially since it has R&B undertones that would increase its likelihood of being successful.
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Originally posted by WoozyFloozy
I'll never understand why Florence fans and stans even care about mainstream success. That's obviously not what they're here for.
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I don't care or need for her to hugely popular, but I want her to do well enough that she can keep making music for a long time and not worry about getting dropped from her label and such.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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It's such a watered-down version of Breakaway.
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Member Since: 6/10/2011
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Weak lead single. All it needs is better single choices, and wham album sales.
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
It's such a watered-down version of Breakaway.
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It doesn't even sound like Breakaway??
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by WoozyFloozy
I'll never understand why Florence fans and stans even care about mainstream success. That's obviously not what they're here for.
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we are targeting platinum in all markets
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I agree that their main focus shouldn't be commercial success, though, and as a huge fan I don't particularly care, seeing as it's so unlikely that she have a mega-successful album.
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Member Since: 11/26/2011
Posts: 1,779
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Stronger is amazing. It's doing great for only having one decently performing single. The real guns haven't even been pulled out yet (What Doesn't Kill You, Dark Side, etc).
If people don't want to give this a chance, their loss.
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Member Since: 8/17/2011
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Originally posted by hazuki
Weak lead single. All it needs is better single choices, and wham album sales.
It doesn't even sound like Breakaway??
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It doesn't sound like Breakaway at all. Like I can't even. lol
You can tell alot of people in here probably haven't even listened to the album.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by hazuki
It doesn't even sound like Breakaway??
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It's the same pop-rock mixed in with the occasional slow, drawn-out ballad.
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Member Since: 9/22/2011
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Originally posted by Moonage Daydream
I don't care or need for her to hugely popular, but I want her to do well enough that she can keep making music for a long time and not worry about getting dropped from her label and such.
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I think the acclaim of "No Light, No Light" being Time's number 1 song of 2011 makes up for it. I don't foresee her getting dropped any time soon. Many artists are signed to her label with little to no success in the US, so no worries.
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
I agree that their main focus shouldn't be commercial success, though, and as a huge fan I don't particularly care, seeing as it's so unlikely that she have a mega-successful album.
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That was said by Universal UK director Chris Dwyer. Of course that's what he's aiming for.
I think you missed my point. Florence's intent with making the music is not to blow up big and be a huge superstar. I don't think that's what she's concerned with, thus I don't think her fans should be concerned with it either.
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Member Since: 11/26/2011
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
It's the same pop-rock mixed in with the occasional slow, drawn-out ballad.
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How does What Doesn't Kill You (Stronger), Dark Side, or Einstein sound ANYTHING like Breakaway?
So obvious people haven't listened. LMFAO
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Member Since: 8/17/2011
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
It's the same pop-rock mixed in with the occasional slow, drawn-out ballad.
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But its not.
And even if it was, just because someone stays in the same genre doesn't mean it sounds the same as a previous album.
My December and Breakaway are both pop rock but sound completely different from each other. Goodbye Lullaby and Let Go are both pop/rock but sound completely different.
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Member Since: 10/17/2011
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I think it all depends on the songs they choose as singles (In "Stronger", Mr. Know it All was a good single choice, but it's not #1 material, however the good thing about an album like "Stronger" is that there's so much better material to choose from so if the label is smart they'll pick a song #1-worthy, like What Doesn't Kill You, which will be the second single)
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Member Since: 11/26/2011
Posts: 1,779
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Originally posted by JClarkSTAN
My December and Breakaway are both pop rock but sound completely different from each other. Goodbye Lullaby and Let Go are both pop/rock but sound completely different.
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Exactly this.
In addition, there's a little bit of urban, dance, pop, rock, country, and R&B on Stronger, so I wouldn't even say that applies to this album anyways.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by WoozyFloozy
That was said by Universal UK director Chris Dwyer. Of course that's what he's aiming for.
I think you missed my point. Florence's intent with making the music is not to blow up big and be a huge superstar. I don't think that's what she's concerned with, thus I don't think her fans should be concerned with it either.
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I think Florence wants to have huge success, too, and for her music (which she puts a lot of work into) to be appreciated. It's probably not her main concern, but I wouldn't say she isn't concerned with it.
I agree that fans shouldn't be concerned with that, though. I know I'm not.
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Originally posted by CriticalHit
How does What Doesn't Kill You (Stronger), Dark Side, or Einstein sound ANYTHING like Breakaway?
So obvious people haven't listened. LMFAO
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Originally posted by JClarkSTAN
But its not.
And even if it was, just because someone stays in the same genre doesn't mean it sounds the same as a previous album.
My December and Breakaway are both pop rock but sound completely different from each other. Goodbye Lullaby and Let Go are both pop/rock but sound completely different.
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Why are you both getting so offended? Breakaway is a great album, so even if I call Stronger a watered-down version of it, it's not a complete insult.
And yes, I have given the album a listen, so we can get out of here with that "you haven't even listened and it's obvious" nonsense. Honestly, You Love Me, Einstein, and Let Me Down all scream attempts to re-create Breakaway's magic.
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Member Since: 11/23/2011
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Ding Ding Ding! I've really tried with this album, but it's so schlocky and over-produced.
Ugh.
Give me Thankful Kelly any day. She, like Pink, is SO much better doing R&B. I wish they would realize this.
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Absolutely not. I'll allow her one or two R&B songs but she really needs to get back into pop/rock anthem. That's where she really thrives. She just has to tweak them with more bass and synths to match the rest of the music market.
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Member Since: 11/26/2011
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
Why are you both getting so offended? Breakaway is a great album, so even if I call Stronger a watered-down version of it, it's not a complete insult.
And yes, I have given the album a listen, so we can get out of here with that "you haven't even listened and it's obvious" nonsense. Honestly, You Love Me, Einstein, and Let Me Down all scream attempts to re-create Breakaway's magic.
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I'm "offended" (if you want to call it that) because what you're saying is complete nonsense. I'll ask again, how does Einstein, for example, try to re-create Breakaway's magic in ANY way? What song does it sound like exactly?
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Member Since: 7/3/2011
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Originally posted by Jennifer
Because its the same old boring pop rock crap that she's been doing for 10 years.
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Neither Thankful nor My December were really pop/rock
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Member Since: 11/23/2011
Posts: 46,048
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
It's the same pop-rock mixed in with the occasional slow, drawn-out ballad.
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Gorl, if you truly listened to the (almost flawless) album, you'd know there really isn't a true ballad on Stronger.
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