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Discussion: Nicki's Future In Pop.
Member Since: 2/17/2012
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Honestly, I think she should ditch Pop. It's not because I dislike Pop, because it's one of my favorite genres, but it's not Nicki's calling. Pink Friday was Hip-Pop mostly, and the only track that really worked was Super Bass, which by now I'm basically sure was just a fluke. The Pop on Roman Reloaded was even worse. 99% of the time she tries it, it ends up being absolute ****. Her next career move should be her actually turning to mixtape Nicki, or maybe working on some forward thinking hip-pop. But the RedOne/Dr. Luke type of Dance-Pop is NOT her calling.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by Division
As I said in the Azealia thread, if Nicki's next proper studio album is all hardcore hip-hop with a few pop-rap tracks tacked on, I will let Willy publicly ridicule me anyhow he sees fit.
Some of you are so deluded, its ridiculous. Being Top 10 on the urban charts means **** all, the last three hip hop tracks flopped, and being #1 on the urban charts in the US isn't even Top 20 on the Hot 100 or even Top 100 on worldwide charts.
Nicki made a name for herself with hip-hop, but its the pop community that made her an international household name. Nobody outside of the US even acknowledges she's a hip-hop artist.
Heck, Capital FM called her a "dancefloor diva" a few weeks back...
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Why do you want her to go pop so badly?
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
Posts: 37,894
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
Why do you want her to go pop so badly?
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He's from the UK. He discovered her from Check It Out (ft. will.i.am & Cheryl Cole).
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Member Since: 2/16/2010
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Originally posted by madonnas
Honestly, I think she should ditch Pop. It's not because I dislike Pop, because it's one of my favorite genres, but it's not Nicki's calling. Pink Friday was Hip-Pop mostly, and the only track that really worked was Super Bass, which by now I'm basically sure was just a fluke. The Pop on Roman Reloaded was even worse. 99% of the time she tries it, it ends up being absolute ****. Her next career move should be her actually turning to mixtape Nicki, or maybe working on some forward thinking hip-pop. But the RedOne/Dr. Luke type of Dance-Pop is NOT her calling.
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I agree with this.
I'm fine with songs like VVV though. Some of the RedOne songs are hot but I don't want songs like that from her on a whole other album.
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Member Since: 2/29/2012
Posts: 17,071
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Originally posted by ethan
I do agree that she can't keep going on and on about "first female rapper to..." if it's gonna be about the success of a song like Starships. Like, I know she raps on it, but it feels kind of cheap.
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I was just thinking this awhile back, like "is it really fair..."
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
Posts: 65,177
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Originally posted by Division
As I said in the Azealia thread, if Nicki's next proper studio album is all hardcore hip-hop with a few pop-rap tracks tacked on, I will let Willy publicly ridicule me anyhow he sees fit.
Some of you are so deluded, its ridiculous. Being Top 10 on the urban charts means **** all, the last three hip hop tracks flopped, and being #1 on the urban charts in the US isn't even Top 20 on the Hot 100 or even Top 100 on worldwide charts.
Nicki made a name for herself with hip-hop, but its the pop community that made her an international household name. Nobody outside of the US even acknowledges she's a hip-hop artist.
Heck, Capital FM called her a "dancefloor diva" a few weeks back...
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The world might not acknowledge Nicki as a hip hop artist, but for some reason, she does. She hates being referred to as a "pop star," which is weird to me since she makes pop music.
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Member Since: 4/7/2009
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Whatever she does she just needs to make it CLEAR to us what she's serving before the era starts. That's all. Give us a heads up.
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Member Since: 10/1/2011
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Originally posted by Division
As I said in the Azealia thread, if Nicki's next proper studio album is all hardcore hip-hop with a few pop-rap tracks tacked on, I will let Willy publicly ridicule me anyhow he sees fit.
Some of you are so deluded, its ridiculous. Being Top 10 on the urban charts means **** all, the last three hip hop tracks flopped, and being #1 on the urban charts in the US isn't even Top 20 on the Hot 100 or even Top 100 on worldwide charts.
Nicki made a name for herself with hip-hop, but its the pop community that made her an international household name. Nobody outside of the US even acknowledges she's a hip-hop artist.
Heck, Capital FM called her a "dancefloor diva" a few weeks back...
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You're always making it seem like the UK is the world. It's not.
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Member Since: 10/28/2011
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Onika needs to leave Pop alone. She must return to her Rap roots. I don't mind a few crossover tracks, but come on now. She knows damn well she is upset by the backlash.
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Member Since: 10/1/2011
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Don't get me wrong, there was Pop on PF, there just wasn't Dance.
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Member Since: 2/21/2012
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Originally posted by yogosans14
She should just make a double disc tbh...
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That's what i'm saying... It needs to have 10-12 songs. One side all Hip-Hop & R&B and the other Pop.
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Member Since: 3/13/2011
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
Why do you want her to go pop so badly?
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Because her pop songs are better than her R&B songs which are better than most her hip hop songs.
Outside of her fanbase, Hip hop fans will never truly accept or welcome her. Pop fans will. Rhythmic radio listeners are indifferent.
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Member Since: 2/17/2012
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
I agree with this.
I'm fine with songs like VVV though. Some of the RedOne songs are hot but I don't want songs like that from her on a whole other album.
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For someone who got known for show-stealing guest verses from rapping, those tracks just seem.... reductive. It's like she's ditching her actual talents and strengths for.... nothing.
And on Roman Reloaded when she IS rapping, it's completely overdone and overexagerrated. Like, she needs to find a balance of crazy and not just random grunting. She had it before, but she's lost it.
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Member Since: 10/28/2011
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Originally posted by Division
Because her pop songs are better than her R&B songs which are better than most her hip hop songs.
Hip hop fans will never truly accept or welcome her. Pop fans will. Rhythmic radio listeners are indifferent.
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I don't mean to offend you but this post is entirely silly.
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Member Since: 2/25/2012
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Quote:
Originally posted by Division
As I said in the Azealia thread, if Nicki's next proper studio album is all hardcore hip-hop with a few pop-rap tracks tacked on, I will let Willy publicly ridicule me anyhow he sees fit.
Some of you are so deluded, its ridiculous. Being Top 10 on the urban charts means **** all, the last three hip hop tracks flopped, and being #1 on the urban charts in the US isn't even Top 20 on the Hot 100 or even Top 100 on worldwide charts.
Nicki made a name for herself with hip-hop, but its the pop community that made her an international household name. Nobody outside of the US even acknowledges she's a hip-hop artist.
Heck, Capital FM called her a "dancefloor diva" a few weeks back...
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In 2 years, no one will remember half the pop tracks on PF:RR. The general public will have devoured them and then thrown them out once they were finished.
There is no substance to Popnika. She makes a quick hit then moves on to the next identical dance beat and generic lyrics.
Her hip hop songs, her mixtapes, that is what Nicki will be remembered for. Those are the songs with substance and lyrics that go beyond "lets go to the beach".
So WHY do you want Nicki to abandon hip hop so badly?
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
The world might not acknowledge Nicki as a hip hop artist, but for some reason, she does. She hates being referred to as a "pop star," which is weird to me since she makes pop music.
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She has no problem being referred to as a popstar. She takes issue to being referred to as a popstar, while being told she isn't a rapper or a hiphop artist.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by Division
Because her pop songs are better than her R&B songs which are better than most her hip hop songs.
Hip hop fans will never truly accept or welcome her. Pop fans will. Rhythmic radio listeners are indifferent.
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Let's just agree to disagree on the first part.
But when it comes to the second portion of this comment, you seem to be forgetting that Nicki began as a hip-hop artist with urban support. Her core audience was always the urban community, at least up until this era. They used to truly accept and welcome her, it's only now that she's doing songs like Starships that there has been backlash; however, if she were to come back next era with hip-hop material, I really doubt that she couldn't be re-accepted.
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Member Since: 5/10/2012
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Nicki is relatively new in the game. In order to improve as an artist, she is going to have to do SOME sort of experimentation. And with that, not only will she retain her core audience, but she will broaden her audience. I'm not against a pop-dominated Nicki Minaj, because now we have an idea of what kind of musician she could be in future developments.
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Member Since: 10/1/2011
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Originally posted by madonnas
For someone who got known for show-stealing guest verses from rapping, those tracks just seem.... reductive. It's like she's ditching her actual talents and strengths for.... nothing.
And on Roman Reloaded when she IS rapping, it's completely overdone and overexagerrated. Like, she needs to find a balance of crazy and not just random grunting. She had it before, but she's lost it.
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Here's the 411. In EVERY interview this era, Nicki she wanted to have fun with this album. That was in every interview. People who aren't Barbz didn't realize that and thought this was a permanent thing.
She free-styled almost EVERY song on this album. Nicki's a WRITER, she's not one to just free-style.
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Member Since: 1/11/2012
Posts: 14,421
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I'm really interested to see what she does on her next album. I bet it will be similar to PF:RR but a little more structured and polished. A little pop and a little hip-hop and a lot of fun
EDIT: I keep being the one to start new pages
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