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News: Americans shifting left on social issues
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Divorce is far from a good thing 
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Suicude
I find it hard to believe this is a social issue supported widely by the left. Not to be confused with Dr. assisted.
Human cloning
Again I don' t know any liberals pushing for human cloning at this point is this is really a social issue right now?
Adultry
I must have missed this in my how to be socially liberal handbook. I think I will stay to the right on this one.
Buying and wearing of animal fur
This went up one point poor PETA.
Abortion
It saddens me this is going up. Just because I think people use it as a form of birth control.
Divorce
I guess for better or worse need to be removed from the vows. Not sure why I would want to be tagged as supporting this.
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Yas bitch! The gay acceptance rise 
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In 14 years, that's not as much progress as I would've hoped for.
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What's wrong with abortion and stem cell research?  |
They take away the life of a person who doesn't have a say in it. Stem cell research I do not agree with but I can understand why people might support it, but I do not believe in abortion ever. Period. It's a horrible, disgusting thing. If you're too dumb to use birth control that's your fault, not the baby's. If you don't want the baby, you can put it up for adoption. There are plenty of families who struggle with fertility and want a child so badly; the fact that people just abort them like it's nothing is sickening when you think about that.
I know there are cases of rape and incest, and I'm not about to tell somebody what to do after undergoing something that traumatic and horrifying, but I still believe adoption should be preferred to abortion. The only time I think abortion is acceptable is if it's a threat to the mother's life and all other options have been exhausted. Period.
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Originally posted by Rusty
Why should divorce not be socially acceptable? Should Americans repress reality?
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Just because it's a reality doesn't mean it should be socially acceptable. If people think getting a divorce is socially acceptable, then what is even the point of marriage? Common sense.
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Embryonic stem cells hold the key to curing many major classes of currently incurable diseases, most notably neurodegenerative disorders (Alzheimer's, ALS, Parkinson's etc.) and cancer. The embryos are lab grown - it hurts nobody but could benefit tens of millions of people.
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As I said, I can see why people might support it, and I don't know the full extent of how the process goes, but I don't think it's fair to take the life of an innocent child who did nothing wrong. Forming children in a lab for the sole purpose of experimentation and research doesn't sound ethical to me, but whatever.
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Alzheimer's alone merits assisted suicide in the final stages of the disease.
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I won't argue you too much on this, but we're just going to have to agree to disagree. Life is too precious to just throw it away, no matter how awful your circumstances may be. That's my opinion. I would want to fight until the end. Life isn't always a bucket of rainbows and sunshine, and sticking around longer would at least give my loved ones plenty of time to grieve, accept reality, and say goodbye.
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Women's health issues are more socially acceptable? How shocking.
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What's more important to you: a woman's choice to ignore responsibility for what is more often than not her own fault, or a child's right to live? There are plenty of options available for women who aren't ready to be mothers that don't involve murder.
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So 32% of Americans believe it is morally wrong to have sex before marriage? Are we in the 1800s? It's great these numbers are increasing but 60% is not something to be proud of. 80-90%, maybe yeah.
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Originally posted by RihannaRTT
So 32% of Americans believe it is morally wrong to have sex before marriage? Are we in the 1800s? It's great these numbers are increasing but 60% is not something to be proud of. 80-90%, maybe yeah.
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It's a personal belief; no one is trying to pass laws against premarital sex. Let people believe what they want to believe; it's not hurting you.
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As long as we don't shift left on economic issues, I'm fine. We don't want our marvelous country to end up like the socialist European countries, just ew.
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I hope this is sarcasm because socialist isn't bad. It would be nice to have things like excellent mass transit, health care, better gun laws and more that Europe has had for quite some time now.
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Originally posted by Tropez
You can't compare the United States to Europe.
In psychology there's the whole in group out group theory. People are more willing to have more social laws pass because they all share a common bond a brotherhood. While the United States is way too fractured. It's hard for the middle class to want laws when they feel like their money is being badly used, they would in fact want less welfare than more. If there was a little less diversity and a feeling of a nationhood in the United States it would be more social leaning.
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Right we have no sense of nationhood here we are essentially Iraq.
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Originally posted by Cherry
It's a personal belief; no one is trying to pass laws against premarital sex. Let people believe what they want to believe; it's not hurting you.
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Of course not but it's just one example. Only one of these numbers are over 70% (and that so happens to be divorce  ). It feels so ancient. It's 2015 and it feels like the 1800s. I'd expect a lot higher numbers for things like unmarried sex and babies before marriage. I definitely think the numbers are a lot higher here in the UK.
I'm not even going to mention the 56% for medical testing on animals...
Of course, 1024 people is a very small sample size and is far from representative of the United States as a whole. I would be interested if they got 1024 people from each state. That would be a lot more representative.
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Originally posted by Cherry
They take away the life of a person who doesn't have a say in it. Stem cell research I do not agree with but I can understand why people might support it, but I do not believe in abortion ever. Period. It's a horrible, disgusting thing. If you're too dumb to use birth control that's your fault, not the baby's. If you don't want the baby, you can put it up for adoption. There are plenty of families who struggle with fertility and want a child so badly; the fact that people just abort them like it's nothing is sickening when you think about that.
I know there are cases of rape and incest, and I'm not about to tell somebody what to do after undergoing something that traumatic and horrifying, but I still believe adoption should be preferred to abortion. The only time I think abortion is acceptable is if it's a threat to the mother's life and all other options have been exhausted. Period. |
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You keep going back to adoption but you speak like someone who's had no experience in the system? There are already way too many children in the system who will be hopping between foster families with no stability in their lives. That's better? It's so strange to me how pro lifers staunchly campaign to stop people from getting abortions but have no interests in improving conditions for children already in care.
Abortion is an incredibly difficult decision for a woman to make and a lot of the time it isn't used as birth control. Women should have total control of their bodies and should not be forced to have children they can't or don't want to have, it's also none of anybody else's business.
It's also easier to think about stem cells as stem cells instead of 'babies' when they aren't classed as that until they're born. Improving life for the living should always be a priority.
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Originally posted by Cherry
They take away the life of a person who doesn't have a say in it. Stem cell research I do not agree with but I can understand why people might support it, but I do not believe in abortion ever. Period. It's a horrible, disgusting thing. If you're too dumb to use birth control that's your fault, not the baby's. If you don't want the baby, you can put it up for adoption. There are plenty of families who struggle with fertility and want a child so badly; the fact that people just abort them like it's nothing is sickening when you think about that.
I know there are cases of rape and incest, and I'm not about to tell somebody what to do after undergoing something that traumatic and horrifying, but I still believe adoption should be preferred to abortion. The only time I think abortion is acceptable is if it's a threat to the mother's life and all other options have been exhausted. Period.
Just because it's a reality doesn't mean it should be socially acceptable. If people think getting a divorce is socially acceptable, then what is even the point of marriage? Common sense.
As I said, I can see why people might support it, and I don't know the full extent of how the process goes, but I don't think it's fair to take the life of an innocent child who did nothing wrong. Forming children in a lab for the sole purpose of experimentation and research doesn't sound ethical to me, but whatever.
I won't argue you too much on this, but we're just going to have to agree to disagree. Life is too precious to just throw it away, no matter how awful your circumstances may be. That's my opinion. I would want to fight until the end. Life isn't always a bucket of rainbows and sunshine, and sticking around longer would at least give my loved ones plenty of time to grieve, accept reality, and say goodbye.
What's more important to you: a woman's choice to ignore responsibility for what is more often than not her own fault, or a child's right to live? There are plenty of options available for women who aren't ready to be mothers that don't involve murder. |
How can you blame a teenage girl who might have a poor education and bad parents who don't even tell her about birth control? She shouldn't be stuck with a baby just because of external factors that have led to her shortsighted sex. And even if the girl knows about birth control and knew she was having sex without taking it, should she be forced to raise a child because of one mistake during the most tumultuous period of her life? I don't think so.
I think advocating adoption instead of abortion is awful. Adopted kids have it very badly a lot of the time. They have so many disadvantages compared to non-adopted kids. Ideally, an adopted kid would assimilate seamlessly into the situation they're placed in, but oftentimes that doesn't actually happen. This is a good read on emotional issues adopted kids face on top of this.
I also think it's just so difficult to try to put yourself in someone's shoes when they have Alzheimer's, or terminal cancer, or cluster headaches, etc. Disease can be downright brutal, unimaginably brutal. At some point, some people will draw the line and say they don't want to live this brutal, painful life anymore. And who am I to nullify that decision? People like Brittany Maynard are good examples as to why euthanasia isn't so horrifying and should definitely be universally legalized.
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Originally posted by thegmangrant
I hope this is sarcasm because socialist isn't bad. It would be nice to have things like excellent mass transit, health care, better gun laws and more that Europe has had for quite some time now.
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The US could have better social programs but at what cost to the world. Honestly what do you think would happen if we pulled back everything we have from overseas cut our defense budget to 1-200 billion and pumped that money in to social programs.
Do you think this is a wise Idea?
You talk about these great social experiments in these counties that practically spend nothing on defense then tell the US they need to be more like you when we are the ones spending billions to defend you.
The U.S. finances 75 percent of NATO expenditures with a defense budget of $585 billion for 2015, or 3.6 percent of U.S. GDP. All NATO nations are obligated to spend 2% of GDP and the only nation that is meeting this obligation is Estonia (at least they say they will).
So let's take that $585 billion and pull it back and use it on social issues like you suggest.
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Originally posted by thegmangrant
I hope this is sarcasm because socialist isn't bad. It would be nice to have things like excellent mass transit, health care, better gun laws and more that Europe has had for quite some time now.
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You can have all of those things without socialism, though. Japan and Australia for example have all of those things and are far from the Scandinavian-style socialist-leaning economy.
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Originally posted by Cherry
Just because it's a reality doesn't mean it should be socially acceptable. If people think getting a divorce is socially acceptable, then what is even the point of marriage? Common sense.
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This makes zero sense. Marriage ends - affairs, growing apart, whatever. Divorce is a reality, and it should be socially acceptable. What gives anyone the right to shame two people into staying together until they die?
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Originally posted by Cherry
As I said, I can see why people might support it, and I don't know the full extent of how the process goes, but I don't think it's fair to take the life of an innocent child who did nothing wrong. Forming children in a lab for the sole purpose of experimentation and research doesn't sound ethical to me, but whatever.
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You seem to think a petri dish of embryonic cells is a person. Poor you. Nobody is forming a child, people are forming a blastocyst and extracting embryonic cells. No person is harmed, no person exists.
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Originally posted by Cherry
I won't argue you too much on this, but we're just going to have to agree to disagree. Life is too precious to just throw it away, no matter how awful your circumstances may be. That's my opinion. I would want to fight until the end. Life isn't always a bucket of rainbows and sunshine, and sticking around longer would at least give my loved ones plenty of time to grieve, accept reality, and say goodbye.
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When your brain has rotted to the point that not only do you not know your surroundings and the people taking care of you, but you simultaneously lose touch with who you are and all coherence, your body forgets how to function without mechanical aids and 24-hour care, and you enter a vegetative state where the only lucidity you experience are moments of terror at knowing nothing and no one and feeling the agony of your body's systems shutting down one-by-one. Only the most evil of people would wish to keep you around to assuage their grief or to "say goodbye" to the person long gone.
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Originally posted by Cherry
What's more important to you: a woman's choice to ignore responsibility for what is more often than not her own fault, or a child's right to live? There are plenty of options available for women who aren't ready to be mothers that don't involve murder.
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A child doesn't exist. A fetus exists. It cannot survive alone. The only victim of murder here is logic on your part. Nobody should tell an actual living person what they can or cannot do with their own reproductive system and body.
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Not everyone gets a divorce because they "simply drifted apart".
Many get one because of infidelity, because their partner is abusing them or even worse, abusing their children. Getting the police involved is the first step in the last two cases, but they still have to divorce them to really be more free of them.
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Originally posted by Rusty
This makes zero sense. Marriage ends - affairs, growing apart, whatever. Divorce is a reality, and it should be socially acceptable. What gives anyone the right to shame two people into staying together until they die?
You seem to think a petri dish of embryonic cells is a person. Poor you. Nobody is forming a child, people are forming a blastocyst and extracting embryonic cells. No person is harmed, no person exists.
When your brain has rotted to the point that not only do you not know your surroundings and the people taking care of you, but you simultaneously lose touch with who you are and all coherence, your body forgets how to function without mechanical aids and 24-hour care, and you enter a vegetative state where the only lucidity you experience are moments of terror at knowing nothing and no one and feeling the agony of your body's systems shutting down one-by-one. Only the most evil of people would wish to keep you around to assuage their grief or to "say goodbye" to the person long gone.
A child doesn't exist. A fetus exists. It cannot survive alone. The only victim of murder here is logic on your part. Nobody should tell an actual living person what they can or cannot do with their own reproductive system and body.
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