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News: Alberta, Canada, elects socialist party
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Originally posted by k.money
I'm down for ndp. I declined my vote because I disagree with a few things. But I'm glad PCs are out. Redford ****ed Alberta up and Prentice hasn't done much to fix it.
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that bish was stealing money to go travel and stay in 5 star hotels 
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NDP? I think I threw up a little in my mouth. Vote Wild Rose, please.
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Originally posted by Björk
Alberta isn't the Texas of Canada. Mess.
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It's not as intense as Texas, but it is the most conservative part of Canada, so it's great to see them elect an NDP majority.
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Originally posted by Goosey
NDP? I think I threw up a little in my mouth. Vote Wild Rose, please.
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sis it's over, now your BC and Alberta are both NDP, time for you to move down south
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Originally posted by Giliap
you can't get behind a movement that will end oligarchy? that will stop multibillion dollar corporations from paying their workers a wage they can barely live on, if at all?
What is it about Capitalism that you can get behind? Because I can't get behind an economic system that enslaves black men in prisons that make billions of dollars a year just by their names coming through. I can't get behind an economic system that thrives, and that can only thrive, on minorities being poor.
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Here's what I can get behind about capitalism.
- Competition. A capitalist system has an intrinsically competitive nature, which fosters innovation and progress. It's no coincidence that the USA has been home to some of the most influential, innovative companies in the world in all sorts of fields, whether it be technology, medicine, or finance.
- Choice. As a consumer in a capitalist society like the USA, you have the power to make all sorts of choices because of the sheer size of the market. You can choose what you would like to support by buying certain things- for example, if someone is against genetically modified foods, they can buy foods that are not genetically modified. There are much less options in a socialist economy. One can even start a company offering new choices to others.
- Opportunity to move up in the system. If one works hard, he or she has a significant chance at moving up in society and being rewarded for their hark work while changing the world. Read about Jack Ma (the CEO of Alibaba) for this phenomenon in Action. You can't go up very far with socialism.
A few more:
- Capitalism harnesses natural human greed for good.
- There is less government intervention on life with capitalism compared to socialism.
- Capitalism allows for much more economic growth and raising of standards of living, faster.
Good article about how capitalism is a very morally right system.
I could write a lot more about this, but I'll hold off right now.
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Originally posted by MaRy
that bish was stealing money to go travel and stay in 5 star hotels |
And she wasn't even criminally charged, even though it was blatantly obvious and there was so much evidence. If the federal government and PCs had pressed charges and acknowledged that Redford screwed up, they may have won this election. (Prentice called this election so he screwed up too).
Not once has Prentice openly criticized Redford, which is respectable for him as a person, however i believe it was the sole reason for the party's demise
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Originally posted by MaRy
sis it's over, now your BC and Alberta are both NDP, time for you to move down south
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BC is Liberals, God bless.
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Originally posted by alexanderao
Lol Bernie Sanders isn't getting elected. 
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In regards to standards of living, the Scandinavian countries rank very highly in terms of Human Development Index, but their HDI's aren't too different from the U.S.'s:
1. Norway 0.944
5. USA 0.914
12. Sweden 0.898
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yes he is. We raised 1.5 million dollars in 24 hours and we still have months to go. He is literally the only non-********ter in the race and it's so obvious, almost everyone who gets to know him and his platform are immediately on board.
and the thing with HDI is it doesn't tell you the gap in wealth. I'm willing to bet Sweden and Finland's gap in wealth isn't remotely as bad as the U.S.'s tragic stats.
Plus for socialism to really work, all the powerful countries would have to be on board because of international affairs (not just trade) and we'd have to get over such strict, obsessive classism.
There's an impending revolution that will change everything so it's no surprise that in even the most socialist countries today, there's still some wealth inequality because of lingering, century old royal classism.
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Originally posted by Goosey
BC is Liberals, God bless.
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still left
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Originally posted by Giliap
democratic socialism is not communism. sure it could be a doorway to communism but everyone acts like it's a setup. but its not 
democratic socialism is so much more realistic and productive. in this day-in-age it's really about ending oligarchy, distributing wealth in a fair way and making life better for oppressed peoples. |
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GROUNDBREAKING 
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Originally posted by MaRy
still left
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Don't let the name fool you, they're the most conservative anti-environment big-business party in the province. 
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We've been playing with the idea of moving out to the coast, now it's a no brainer...can't wait to get settled into a place where the NDP are powerless, BC here we come
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I've been very smart with my money. And when I lose my job,I'm going to take my bills to my local MLA NDP office ( excuse me I'm going to puke) and ask how she suggests I pay for them. I'm so disgusted right now. Makes 20 years of hard work feel like it was a waste of time. I was born and raised in Edmonton and I'm ashamed right now to admit it.
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NDP= Now Drop Pants ..... I am so disgusted, I have lived through ndp rule before, I don't think alberta will survive this honestly mark my words.
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Yep we'ex screwed they've already said they dont support anything that is good for Alberta.especially oil and pipelines.on the bright side I guess it should be easier to get welfare in a welfare communistic society
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Ever seen a grown man cry ??????
Come to my house
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I have lived under an NDP government before, it's one reason that I came to Alberta. It took Saskatchewan a long time to recover from the NDP regime.
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Yep looks a whole lot of people sucked down that Jonestown kool-aid
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The NDP will have four years to do as much damage as they can, then someone else will be voted in to try and salvage things, and make us a have province again.
At least I sold all of my oil stocks.
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Alberta is now the laughing stock of Canada
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Recession here we come. Sell your house before the plummet. Sell all your oil shares before they reneg on contracts. Move away to find a job.
A sad, sad day in Alberta.
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Just look at what the NDP did in Ontario when they were in power. King Ralph must be rolling in his grave. The only people who vote NDP are union workers, immigrants and people on social assistance.
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The greatest socialism political experiment of Canada's history will play itself out now. People will be hearing I told you so in the future. Socialists never think smart. They start to take and take and take some more. People run around shouting like kids with candy falling from the sky. Then we realize it cost us our future and the banks own our junk bonds.
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For the first time in my life I am embarrassed to be an Albertan. We will learn the hard way now. I bet Taliban jack did a role in his grave. If you think that this will not effect the energy sector you have your head deep in the sand. That's just the truth. The PC's were no good that was proven but be carefully cautious of what you wish for. It might get worse.
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Originally posted by alexanderao
Here's what I can get behind about capitalism.
- Competition. A capitalist system has an intrinsically competitive nature, which fosters innovation and progress. It's no coincidence that the USA has been home to some of the most influential, innovative companies in the world in all sorts of fields, whether it be technology, medicine, or finance.
- Choice. As a consumer in a capitalist society like the USA, you have the power to make all sorts of choices because of the sheer size of the market. You can choose what you would like to support by buying certain things- for example, if someone is against genetically modified foods, they can buy foods that are not genetically modified. There are much less options in a socialist economy. One can even start a company offering new choices to others.
- Opportunity to move up in the system. If one works hard, he or she has a significant chance at moving up in society and being rewarded for their hark work while changing the world. Read about Jack Ma (the CEO of Alibaba) for this phenomenon in Action. You can't go up very far with socialism.
A few more:
- Capitalism harnesses natural human greed for good.
- There is less government intervention on life with capitalism compared to socialism.
- Capitalism allows for much more economic growth and raising of standards of living, faster.
Good article about how capitalism is a very morally right system.
I could write a lot more about this, but I'll hold off right now. |
1. Competition - There would still be competition in a socialist economy.
The only difference in our professional lives would be how we get paid and who pays us. You would still have to compete for jobs, but you're competing on a much more evened playing field. If anything Capitalism exploits competition and has made us a very evil society because of it. The world, especially America, has no real concept of "healthy competition."
2. Choice - I haven't researched anything on how many choices capitalism vs socialism offers but I can tell you now that we have way too many options already. And you would still have the right to choose which products/brands you wanted to buy regardless if there was a little less to choose from.
3. Opportunity -  capitalists say this all the time and I don't know how y'all do it with a straight face. How completely laughable. You cannot look at our gap in wealth and tell me everyone has equal opportunity and just SOMEHOW everyone is a lazy jackass. The rags-to-riches story is not common at all.
4. "Capitalism harnesses natural human greed for good" are you serious? this is the boldest lie I've ever heard a capitalist say.  "greed for good" I just...
5. More government regulation is so important though. I mean you can clearly see the decline in America ever since Reagan's administration fought against gov "intervention." Now instead of a war between gov and corporations, the corporations have the gov in their pockets. meaning they can do as they please. something only CAPITALISM let happen.
6. Yeah, we get it up there and it crashes... every time.
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Originally posted by Goosey
Don't let the name fool you, they're the most conservative anti-environment big-business party in the province.
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who are these trash people? nobody wants backwater rednecks in the communist Alberta, they better leave
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Originally posted by MaRy
who are these trash people? nobody wants backwater rednecks in the communist Alberta, they better leave
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Trash? Backwater rednecks? Excuse me?
Well, no true Albertan wants to be ruled by pinko commies like the NDP.
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Originally posted by Goosey
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nnn a simple Twitter search will show how much the positive comments outweigh the negative ones.
People are happy and proud 
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Originally posted by Kamil24
nnn a simple Twitter search will show how much the positive comments outweigh the negative ones.
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That's because people from places like Zimbabwe or Sweden are commenting on it  only check tweets from Fort Mac and see what the results are.
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Member Since: 8/13/2012
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Originally posted by Goosey
That's because people from places like Zimbabwe or Sweden are commenting on it only check tweets from Fort Mac and see what the results are. |
 sis Fort MacMurray is like the trashpit of Alberta they better leave now that their jobs are being shed to save the environment
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Originally posted by Giliap
yes he is. We raised 1.5 million dollars in 24 hours and we still have months to go. He is literally the only non-********ter in the race and it's so obvious, almost everyone who gets to know him and his platform are immediately on board.
and the thing with HDI is it doesn't tell you the gap in wealth. I'm willing to bet Sweden and Finland's gap in wealth isn't remotely as bad as the U.S.'s tragic stats.
Plus for socialism to really work, all the powerful countries would have to be on board because of international affairs (not just trade) and we'd have to get over such strict, obsessive classism.
There's an impending revolution that will change everything so it's no surprise that in even the most socialist countries today, there's still some wealth inequality because of lingering, century old royal classism.
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Regarding HDI: No, it doesn't. And that's OK, because all it is doing is quantifying the standard of living in a country relative to other countries. The USA has one of the highest standards of living in the world and that is a fact, regardless of how bad the income inequality is here (and yes, it's horrible, but socialism doesn't need to be implemented to improve the situation).
At least where I live, there is no 'strict, obsessive classism' permeating the general public. Google's dictionary tool defines classism as "prejudice against or in favor of people belonging to a particular social class." I don't see underpriviledged people disrespecting wealthy people, or vice versa in my daily life. Everyone treats each other equally. The friendship and respect that I see transcends social classes, which is the way it should be.
A capitalism economy will inevitably have classes and inequality. With capitalism, some people are going to be left behind because others are simply going to move up more than they do. In the USA, one of the groups left behind is blacks, and that's not necessarily because of capitalism, it's largely due to the massive institution of slavery that was in place for a good century and a half before the Civil War. Don't misconstrue underprivileged blacks as being victims of capitalism. Now, this inequality that comes naturally with capitalism is amplified in the USA by the large disparity of education between those living in different areas. Education is the key to improving inequality. We can talk on and on about how people living in the Southern states are poorer, less healthy, live for less time, aren't as smart, and enjoy life less than their Northeastern counterparts, but education has the power to mend all of that. It has less to do with the current capitalist system than you are insisting.
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Yay Alberta!
Harper's days are numbered.
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